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taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
August 21 2011 19:56 GMT
#4141
On August 22 2011 03:27 GranDim wrote:
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On August 22 2011 02:46 taLbuk wrote:
League's biggest downside is the lack of a robust infrastructure in their client. When they first gained like 5 million dollars in financing before the game was even released they said the whole reason they decided to use Adobe Air was for the ease of pushing the game out and updating it without too many issues.

Sure it might be easier to make the game with adobe air but it seems so much harder for them to update and implement new features. They also have stated how there are technological limits on what they can and can't do within the client, they had alot of unique ideas for hero spells but some of them are impossible to implement without lagging up the game client in triggers.

I hope will all the money they are making that they do a ground-up overhaul with a new robust client.


I really wish people would stop blaming adobe air for in game issues, air is not even used in the game client process. It used to be very buggy around beta when Riot didn't have experienced adobe air programmers (afaik) but atm its very stable compared to the game client and the server.


It's the fact that instead of a custom client they are using adobe air for server side connectivity via pvp.net. Custom client =/= custom engine.

Riot has even stated that during the initial beta that Adobe Air will be the biggest challenge in the future but it was the best decision at the time. I wouldn't be at all surprised if in the next 2-3 years we see Riot release an overhauled client.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 21 2011 21:55 GMT
#4142
On August 22 2011 03:22 kane]deth[ wrote:
WHY DOES RIOT KEEP THE RESULTS UNSPOILERED ON THE MAIN PAGE?
I go to iemgamescom.leagueoflegends.com to catch a restream or vods and the first thing I see is the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners.

yeah shit that pissed me off.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
August 21 2011 23:29 GMT
#4143
Seriously...they couldn't just cut out all the waiting for the "real" 3rd match so it wouldn't waste viewers times??
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
August 21 2011 23:30 GMT
#4144
On August 22 2011 04:08 Woony wrote:
LoL gets more viewers than SC2 easily, too. (In terms of live audience SC2 is gonna trump everything tho)


Umm mb in korea, crowd was standing room only for lol on mainstage outside the very early games. Most games that are big at something like that will all be at max seating, shit wc3 was like that a couple blizzcons ago and most people didn't even care about it.
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kinger256
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada21 Posts
August 22 2011 00:12 GMT
#4145
I don't watch that much lol but it seems like from this tournament NA dominated EU which didn't seem to be the case at dreamhack. Did NA teams just get that much better or was something up the eu teams?
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
August 22 2011 00:16 GMT
#4146
On August 22 2011 09:12 kinger256 wrote:
I don't watch that much lol but it seems like from this tournament NA dominated EU which didn't seem to be the case at dreamhack. Did NA teams just get that much better or was something up the eu teams?


I'm not sure about the EU teams but I know TSM and CLG practiced a ton, for dreamhack CLG really didn't practice much.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
August 22 2011 00:18 GMT
#4147
On August 22 2011 09:12 kinger256 wrote:
I don't watch that much lol but it seems like from this tournament NA dominated EU which didn't seem to be the case at dreamhack. Did NA teams just get that much better or was something up the eu teams?

I wouldn't say dominated...

NA played better but SK beat TSM 2-0, Fnatic vs TSM was 2-1. NA teams currently have stronger top and jungle players.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
August 22 2011 00:19 GMT
#4148
Also SK was missing two key players IIRC and Fnatic was reeling from the server split.
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TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
August 22 2011 00:26 GMT
#4149
Dunno why Neo being so secretive about MLG Raleigh, Voyboy's playing for CLG right?
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
August 22 2011 00:26 GMT
#4150
On August 22 2011 09:19 Southlight wrote:
Also SK was missing two key players IIRC and Fnatic was reeling from the server split.

I'm pretty sure that SK fielded their usual lineup at this IEM.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
August 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#4151
On August 22 2011 09:26 crate wrote:
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On August 22 2011 09:19 Southlight wrote:
Also SK was missing two key players IIRC and Fnatic was reeling from the server split.

I'm pretty sure that SK fielded their usual lineup at this IEM.

I am pretty sure that they used it too.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
August 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#4152
O I was thinking of M sorry.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 22 2011 00:36 GMT
#4153
On August 22 2011 09:29 Southlight wrote:
O I was thinking of M sorry.

M *technically* is only down Yellowstar. They don't have Moma, but IIRC that's because Moma left the team entirely, not because he couldn't make it to Gamescom.
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aru
Profile Joined April 2010
183 Posts
August 22 2011 02:31 GMT
#4154
If you're going to say teams didn't have their best lineup, you might as well mention that CLG didn't have their best lineup either. And CLG did get much better with teams not being able to out ban Hotshot anymore.

On August 22 2011 09:18 Eppa! wrote:
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On August 22 2011 09:12 kinger256 wrote:
I don't watch that much lol but it seems like from this tournament NA dominated EU which didn't seem to be the case at dreamhack. Did NA teams just get that much better or was something up the eu teams?

I wouldn't say dominated...

NA played better but SK beat TSM 2-0, Fnatic vs TSM was 2-1. NA teams currently have stronger top and jungle players.


If you compare Regi's first Orianna game against SK vs the Orianna game against Fnatic, there's a huge difference in how he played. It's quite possible that he sandbagged the SK games so Fnatic wouldn't ban Orianna against them. Fnatic vs TSM was 1-2.
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 02:37:23
August 22 2011 02:36 GMT
#4155
It's also been said that the passive style of jungling on EU was a negative. I also wasn't impressed by any of their solo tops vs. NA teams (but it might just be Hotshot and Rain Man being really good at those roles).

Edit: Wow somebody said exactly this, my reading abilities suck :<
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
August 22 2011 05:43 GMT
#4156
Well yeah, I think IEM showed the difference in level of jungling between NA and EU most of all. TheOddOne made so few mistakes and his ability to counter-jungle almost perfectly and gank almost perfectly showed that his understanding is much better than the EU junglers and Saintvicious to a lesser extent. NA seems to have better solo tops but that's probably mostly because teams like fnatic play an inferior style (imo) with AP top, while Wickd kept playing Lee Sin who he evidently isn't that good at.

However, I think that the EU AD carries are noticeably better than the NA AD carries. Candy Panda, Lamia (?) and Tidus/Linak basically outlaned both jiji and Chaox pretty heavily, although jiji's godlike positioning made him better in team fights.

IMO, the top teams are very close. I still think SK is the best team in the world, but they rely very heavily on Candy Panda and Nyph to carry them. They also had the most nervous start of any team with their LAN debut on the mainstage and Candy Panda giving away FB to a sneaky bot brush gank. They convincingly outplayed TSM, who didn't play that poorly overall either. I'd say that fnatic and Millenium and the rest are a step below SK, CLG and TSM, who are all very close.
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aru
Profile Joined April 2010
183 Posts
August 22 2011 05:58 GMT
#4157
On August 22 2011 14:43 tyCe wrote:
Well yeah, I think IEM showed the difference in level of jungling between NA and EU most of all. TheOddOne made so few mistakes and his ability to counter-jungle almost perfectly and gank almost perfectly showed that his understanding is much better than the EU junglers and Saintvicious to a lesser extent. NA seems to have better solo tops but that's probably mostly because teams like fnatic play an inferior style (imo) with AP top, while Wickd kept playing Lee Sin who he evidently isn't that good at.

However, I think that the EU AD carries are noticeably better than the NA AD carries. Candy Panda, Lamia (?) and Tidus/Linak basically outlaned both jiji and Chaox pretty heavily, although jiji's godlike positioning made him better in team fights.

IMO, the top teams are very close. I still think SK is the best team in the world, but they rely very heavily on Candy Panda and Nyph to carry them. They also had the most nervous start of any team with their LAN debut on the mainstage and Candy Panda giving away FB to a sneaky bot brush gank. They convincingly outplayed TSM, who didn't play that poorly overall either. I'd say that fnatic and Millenium and the rest are a step below SK, CLG and TSM, who are all very close.


Wickd played a top lane Warwick too and got destroyed by Hotshot's Nidalee. Chauster is CLG's best AD carry, who couldn't attend due to a final. He said he decided to take a year off school for LoL though, so that shouldn't be an issue anymore. Jiji usually players AP carry, and his AP carry is noticeably better than Salce if you compared their Orianna/Zilean games. You can watch Jiji play those on youtube if you search for IEM Guangzhou NA quals I think. It took place about a week before Gamescom.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
August 22 2011 05:58 GMT
#4158
On August 22 2011 01:57 Eppa! wrote:
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On August 22 2011 01:51 Craton wrote:
You can't possibly argue that Jax has been balanced. He gets like 1-2 early kills and the game is over.

Welcome to competitive LoL, 1-2 kills on Irelia, Singed, Cass, Annie, Brand, Alistar, Gragas, Udyr or Rumble and your fucked.

Kills are worth basically 3 times what they are in DotA. One kill = free farm and map dominance.

No... It's waaaaaaay worse in DotA. If your carry kills their carry in the early game a few times then it's basically GG to an extent that cannot be comprehended in LoL.
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tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
August 22 2011 06:00 GMT
#4159
On August 22 2011 14:58 aru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 14:43 tyCe wrote:
Well yeah, I think IEM showed the difference in level of jungling between NA and EU most of all. TheOddOne made so few mistakes and his ability to counter-jungle almost perfectly and gank almost perfectly showed that his understanding is much better than the EU junglers and Saintvicious to a lesser extent. NA seems to have better solo tops but that's probably mostly because teams like fnatic play an inferior style (imo) with AP top, while Wickd kept playing Lee Sin who he evidently isn't that good at.

However, I think that the EU AD carries are noticeably better than the NA AD carries. Candy Panda, Lamia (?) and Tidus/Linak basically outlaned both jiji and Chaox pretty heavily, although jiji's godlike positioning made him better in team fights.

IMO, the top teams are very close. I still think SK is the best team in the world, but they rely very heavily on Candy Panda and Nyph to carry them. They also had the most nervous start of any team with their LAN debut on the mainstage and Candy Panda giving away FB to a sneaky bot brush gank. They convincingly outplayed TSM, who didn't play that poorly overall either. I'd say that fnatic and Millenium and the rest are a step below SK, CLG and TSM, who are all very close.


Wickd played a top lane Warwick too and got destroyed by Hotshot's Nidalee. Chauster is CLG's best AD carry, who couldn't attend due to a final. He said he decided to take a year off school for LoL though, so that shouldn't be an issue anymore. Jiji usually players AP carry, and his AP carry is noticeably better than Salce if you compared their Orianna/Zilean games. You can watch Jiji play those on youtube if you search for IEM Guangzhou NA quals I think. It took place about a week before Gamescom.

Yeah, I know Chauster is CLG's AD player and jiji is the AP player, but I still rate Candy Panda very easily above Chauster. Jiji doesn't play a bad AD, and I always thought that jiji didn't play AD in CLG was because he liked to control the midgame with AP in mid-lane and not because jiji AD is worse than Chauster AD.
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bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
August 22 2011 06:05 GMT
#4160
On August 22 2011 09:18 Eppa! wrote:
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On August 22 2011 09:12 kinger256 wrote:
I don't watch that much lol but it seems like from this tournament NA dominated EU which didn't seem to be the case at dreamhack. Did NA teams just get that much better or was something up the eu teams?

I wouldn't say dominated...

NA played better but SK beat TSM 2-0, Fnatic vs TSM was 2-1. NA teams currently have stronger top and jungle players.



A lot of it was the meta shift. AAA and fnatic ran double mage, support carry bot that america wasn't really seeing that often long before dreamhack. Then america started running bruiser top+jungle(notice no american nunu or amumu picks) to counter that. Jax soraka bot lane was also a hard counter to the support+ranged bot but was only used once.

Regi said after he sandbagged as orianna game so he could hopefully get a pick and the sk series was worth 1/6th the differential even if they got 3rd compared to the regular tourney. In the actual gamescom tourney us was 10-2 vs eu 7-2 against the good teams. Honestly those 5 teams and eg when they are on their game and practicing are very close in skill. Also dreamhack games were atrocious were teams like aaa got 2 free wins due to na teams dcs for 4+mins after fb, the game against eg they were losing only to have one of the laptops overheat followed by a 6 min disconnect.

Also the 2 eu teams other than mil in tsm's group were terrible, were they last minute subs or are their only 3 decent teams in eu?
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