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Hi, for those who may not know me (this is my first post to TL O.o. So, also sorry if the format is wrong..) I am Spellsy a high elo NA support player. I got to about 2650, top 10, etc all from solely support. But, the thing that I hold of biggest value is that I've essentially been top 200 for last ~6 months playing like dozens of games a week.
ANYWAY, I recently made a powerpoint which simply sums up in brief all of my opinions on different supports, their pros and cons and general "how to play". While this is not just a resource for like "I just picked Lulu, WHAT DO I DO!", as there are detailed lulu specific guides which should be better for that, but rather this is a guide which you should look at all them as a whole and come out better handled to pick the best support for the situation!
The link is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/pub?id=1dL_rTPsOQz8VRcbBhe5SfaWDVDNPNzwk_CD1V-2jfE4#slide=id.p13
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What brought you here?
EDIT2: nvm I was blind, sry
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hi spellsy, welcome to TL, hope you enjoy your stay!
I'm taking a look at your ppt right now, and I'll let you know what I think about it shortly (i play a decent amount of support, tho i'm def not 2k+ XD).
At the moment, we do have a support thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352516
so i'd recommend you post in there adding the link there, and maybe contributing to discussion there as well.
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On September 06 2012 02:27 Sufficiency wrote:
What brought you here?
its one of the few LoL forum settings with more than 3 people :<. I like forums.
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Nice summary. Thanks!
Any thoughts in the Fiddle support Curse has been running to good effect? I tried it once but got rolled SUPER hard. :-)
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Wow that Doran Shield build lol, incoming fotw.
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Hi spellsy, welcome to tl! I saw your slideson Reddit a while back, I'll add your slides and update op based on your thoughts to the op of our support thread when I get off class and off my phone.
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Neat! Welcome to TL.
I am intrigued by the Doran's Shield idea. With how shitty HoG has gotten, it makes Doran's stat efficiency so appealing.
Edit: Did you do the Leona art? Or a friend of yours? It's pretty neat.
Edit2: derp, there's a 'credits' slide.
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On September 06 2012 02:27 Sufficiency wrote:
EDIT2: nvm I was blind, sry
I liked your first edit, i wanted to talk about it >_<
well ill do so anyway.. HA!
the reason why i dont list alistar/leona/blitz really is because simply when i tried the doran shield build on them it wasnt that effective in personal experience. I never really theorycrafted WHY, but i just felt it was less successful.
reflecting on it now, i think its becuase the doran shields dont let them do something that hog or normal build wouldnt already let them do. they are focused around being able to burst or having one combo or w/e (blitz hook, leona e->q, ali w->q). Dorans doesnt improve this, doran really helps with chasing people down and just simply autoing people.
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Nice guide, have you ever used a 1/17/12 mastery set up? I like starting with boots ward 1 pot, and 2 points in the bonus gold seems like wasted points to me in the 1/15/14. Maybe something like 1/16/13 with siege commander and starting boots ward 2 pots is a good medium.
Edit: the only opening I think of that uses the 2 points in the bonus gold well are 4 wards charm and pot or if you were on purple team, you could potentially start 6 wards, ward their wraiths and top back at 130 buy a second pot and still dps the golem.
Edit2: actually I don't think you can make it back to golem fast enough with out boots.
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On September 06 2012 02:37 Sabin010 wrote:
Nice guide, have you ever used a 1/17/12 mastery set up? I like starting with boots ward 1 pot, and 2 points in the bonus gold seems like wasted points to me in the 1/15/14. Maybe something like 1/16/13 with siege commander and starting boots ward 2 pots is a good medium.
It was a really nice read. I wish there were also skill orders though.
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first thoughts: Very cool ppt, I like and agree with a lot of the things you say. Also, really nice to see that a high-elo player doesn't think that all supports have to do gold generation based builds 24/7. I will def be trying out your double-dshield build on a few champs, I'm already having some interesting ideas (primarily soraka starcall-based mpen/tanky builds).
I'm interested in your choice of mana regen/lvl blues on a few champs, seems a bit unusual. In general, I thought the mathcrafting largely says that mana regen/lvl blues have really low gold value compared to other rune choices. Also, i find it unusual that you would need them on janna, as I find her to be one of the least mana-intensive supports out there, although I did have a discussion with smash at one point about this, and I think it has a lot to do with tornado usage (he uses a lot of tornado's offensively, while i used them defensively).
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On September 06 2012 02:57 barbsq wrote:
first thoughts: Very cool ppt, I like and agree with a lot of the things you say. Also, really nice to see that a high-elo player doesn't think that all supports have to do gold generation based builds 24/7. I will def be trying out your double-dshield build on a few champs, I'm already having some interesting ideas (primarily soraka starcall-based mpen/tanky builds).
I'm interested in your choice of mana regen/lvl blues on a few champs, seems a bit unusual. In general, I thought the mathcrafting largely says that mana regen/lvl blues have really low gold value compared to other rune choices. Also, i find it unusual that you would need them on janna, as I find her to be one of the least mana-intensive supports out there, although I did have a discussion with smash at one point about this, and I think it has a lot to do with tornado usage (he uses a lot of tornado's offensively, while i used them defensively).
Janna does run out of mana; she runs out of mana slower than Sona/Lulu, but her shield still costs a lot and she quickly runs out of steam if she also has to use Q/W.
The only support with "infinite mana" is Soraka. I really think her E should have mana cost if used offensively. She is so brain-dead as a support right now.
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Good read, thanks for putting that together :D
My room-mate plays a god-awful Meowkai support, I'll have to show him the 'just play Leona' slide ^^
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On going 9 offense, what is the reason to go the 4th point in AP instead of magicpen?
Not that magic pen is all that great on supports, but it's better than 1 AP, imo.
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Why would you go for 2 in wealth when you can get boots+1 ward+2 pots with only 1 point (using all of your start gold)?
Do you value experience more than mp5?
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On September 06 2012 03:53 Sponkz wrote:
Why would you go for 2 in wealth when you can get boots+1 ward+2 pots with only 1 point (using all of your start gold)?
Do you value experience more than mp5?
The only thing I can think of is 2 points lets you start charm 4 wards?
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A few things: If you go 9 in offense ALWAYS get 3 ad instead of the ap its just straight up better(pretty much any ap gets ad instead of that aswell and they have better scalings/less autoattack harrass) if you are a ranged support taric might be another storry.
The Sona part is not too great you are obviously correct that shes really squishy but to say that she doesnt have a strong lvl 1-3 is just not correct she has one of the strongest lvl 1-5 just because of her insane damage.
Btw I like that other people are thinking about Dorans shields aswell had a discussion with a support a few days ago and we agreed that Dorans shields are awesome items on supports 
What I think is a bit confusing/missing are the general item build starts You cannot always start boots sometimes you just need more wards then 2. And there are several options: a combination of wards green and purple wards (yes no real item), Faerie charm and a combination of green/purple wards and pots.
And if you do not go Dorans shield build you should maybe mention (or I dont know how you handle it) that you generally should rush HoG not Philo just for the HP else you will die really really fast to the burst combos right now.
Overall its a usefull overview over the supports (for my taste not enough blitzcrank hate but im a bit special there, that robot is so insanly useless its crazy ^.^)
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i think against low gank-threat junglers you can easily skimp on wards and do a 1 or 2 ward opening, so it would vary from game to game.
agreed on the masteries thing, 4 ap is a lot less useful in nearly every situation compared to 3 AD.
re:going hog, i'd say that you're better off getting a kindlegem, just because it is straight up a better item at this point.
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hm true kindlegem might be better didnt really consider that and pretty much just "brainless" -> you need g/10 but that era might be over soon
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