EPTScarra said recently that he tought Viktor was kinda good, but not played. I don't remember well which other reasons he gave as to why he isn't played competitively, but I do the fact that it annoyed me.
Shhh Scarra.[Champion] Viktor - Page 9
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Scarra said recently that he tought Viktor was kinda good, but not played. I don't remember well which other reasons he gave as to why he isn't played competitively, but I do the fact that it annoyed me. Shhh Scarra. | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/zrfag/lets_have_a_look_at_viktor/ | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 13 2012 01:27 Slusher wrote: that OP is one of the dumbest OPs I have ever read how did that make front page? REDDIT. Is that even a question? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On September 13 2012 01:41 Slusher wrote: Predictable item path = bad champion I mean really? The guys premise is fine its just his conclusion that is wrong. He's right in that Death outclasses the other augments, he's wrong in what that means. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 13 2012 01:41 Slusher wrote: Predictable item path = bad champion I mean really? Well, that's the reason all ADs suck, right? And Supports? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 13 2012 01:51 Hyren wrote: The guys premise is fine its just his conclusion that is wrong. He's right in that Death outclasses the other augments, he's wrong in what that means. well then it's still a dumb post because there is already a riot red thread looking for suggestions on other augments. "Viktor doesn't have much viability in the current meta" not true "I appreciate that he is an extremely strong poke champion, however that comes naturally with his skills" this is like saying, I know cassio has a mechanic to reset the cd on her E but lets pretend for a moment that you can't. If Vik didn't have good poke, he WOULD be a terrible champion, but he does, and is S tier poke. "This lack of versatility makes Viktor an extremely weak pick because it is very easy to predict his item build and counter accordingly" He says you can get ganked if you get death (covered by seuss) or you show your hand that you are ganking if you get we the other one is, which I don't know the name because you shouldn't have bought it. like I don't know what you want me to say here, it's a bad op | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On September 13 2012 01:54 Slusher wrote: well then it's still a dumb post because there is already a riot red thread looking for suggestions on other augments. "Viktor doesn't have much viability in the current meta" not true "I appreciate that he is an extremely strong poke champion, however that comes naturally with his skills" this is like saying, I know cassio has a mechanic to reset the cd on her E but lets pretend for a moment that you can't. If Vik didn't have good poke, he WOULD be a terrible champion, but he does, and is S tier poke. "This lack of versatility makes Viktor an extremely weak pick because it is very easy to predict his item build and counter accordingly" He says you can get ganked if you get death (covered by seuss) or you show your hand that you are ganking if you get we the other one is, which I don't know the name because you shouldn't have bought it. like I don't know what you want me to say here, it's a bad op No I agree with you that its bad | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
I'm building boots 3x pot > chalice > augment death > deathcap Seems to work ok, i like ms quints because you get the mobility viktor lacks and you're ap/lvl runes are just crazy good with the addition of viktor's passive and the 21/0/9 masteries. Chalice is just because i dont like dorans that much, gives mana regen + mr (that you dont have from runes) and you can upgrade it in athene's which i think is not that bad either on viktor since it gives you some ap, cdr and manaregen (i feel both are good since you're a poke champ) Problem is i dont really know what to build after deathcap, rylai's seems nice but i'd rather go athene's or even void staff if they go the usual abyssal mid/mercs and aegis everywhere. Dunno :/ | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
I also disagree with the sentiment that augments should scale better into late game. No. Just no. His death augment provides an incredibly strong (borderline OP) early-mid to late game phase. If they were to make late game improvements (ie. a second augment upgrade), they would need to nerf the mid game power, and that's not what I want. They should, though, do something about the other two augments to make them usable. They're really not that bad, they're just overshadowed because most people build Viktor as a burst mage, and E augment caters very well to that. On September 13 2012 02:52 StateAlchemist wrote: Hum i've been toying around a bit and tried viktor with mpen red, ap/lvl yellow and blue and ms quints. I'm building boots 3x pot > chalice > augment death > deathcap Seems to work ok, i like ms quints because you get the mobility viktor lacks and you're ap/lvl runes are just crazy good with the addition of viktor's passive and the 21/0/9 masteries. Chalice is just because i dont like dorans that much, gives mana regen + mr (that you dont have from runes) and you can upgrade it in athene's which i think is not that bad either on viktor since it gives you some ap, cdr and manaregen (i feel both are good since you're a poke champ) Problem is i dont really know what to build after deathcap, rylai's seems nice but i'd rather go athene's or even void staff if they go the usual abyssal mid/mercs and aegis everywhere. Dunno :/ I think chalice and Athene's are quite good items on Viktor. I don't usually go that route only because I really like the way 2 DRings works with his early game. I could certainly see it working against something like Morgana or Karthus (champs you can't usually be overly aggressive on), but to be honest, I haven't experimented with that much. Your rune choice is incredibly aggressive. I like it, but in reality, it doesn't always work out that way. It leaves you really vulnerable when you don't have some armor yellows and MR blues. If it's working for you, and you know when you play safe enough, then I don't see any massively pressing reason to urge you to change it (you'll just be super super squishy). I like going Void Staff right after DCap, and I also like just building Abyssal in general now. It still gives good MR, and often my enemies are on top of me to utilize the aura. I'll generally go a zhonya's after abyssal. (yeah yeah yeah, I know, I need to update op...) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I think Chalice is an interesting build for him. Always push lane, never not push lane. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
But if they have MR and you are generally safe etc as you mentioned just get Void staff, Rylas is generally good on him too. But I feel that the dorans rings are kinda needed early/mid game for you to be relevant damage wise. But chalice could work yea. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:03 wei2coolman wrote: I don't see how rylais would be a good buy for him... RoA is probably optimized better. his giant AOE slow on that gravity field thing, is more than enough slow, that he doesn't really need it on his Q and E. The slow on Q spam is real nice for chasing. MS quints kinda also help with that. That's why I've kinda stopped building Rylai's. I've gravitated more towards full burst mage than tankier. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
2Drings -> DCap -> Voidstaff/Zhonyas/Abyssal is what I do depending. Rylais can be good later for kiting | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: The slow on Q spam is real nice for chasing. MS quints kinda also help with that. That's why I've kinda stopped building Rylai's. I've gravitated more towards full burst mage than tankier. yeah, i mentioned roa as a replacement item for rylais, not necessarily as a good item for viktor. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
After DCap I generally build rylai starting with belt as it seems to help me live better. Since I tend to not use my ult until people have started to engage (either we have an initiator that gives me the signal, or I wait for their AP/AD carry to try and get in range of your team to blow him/them up, or I just send my clusterfuck of AoE on them if they stacked up foolishly), I generally don't feel like I need voidstaff since none of my targets build defensive items until later. I haven't seen too much abyssal rushes tho. I like grail for the cdr+mp5 but it gives AP quite late (if you start chalice) and after my DCap I like to get more AP faster. Also there's the problem of the number and cost of components, as Viktor is pretty slot-starved after his first major item. Viktor's really good at cleaning up with some CDR and somebody to tank/peel for you, since you stay frail even with Zhonya and a MR item. Feels strange not to build spellvamp anymore as blue+Q spam is huge in giving you the edge when all big cds are expanded. | ||
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