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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
July 21 2011 09:38 GMT
#21
R>W>E>Q. Q is only good for the stun/passive in laning phase -- competent players will position well enough to not be harassed by randomly thrown Q's. You'll hit significantly more E's and W's, so it's better to level those.

Catalyst after deathcap largely defeats the point of even getting catalyst.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 21 2011 13:03 GMT
#22
Not if your getting it for a bv...
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 21 2011 16:08 GMT
#23
I like WQEWWR, R > W > E > Q

WE is pretty good at farming lanes efficiently and E is an instant tick on passive. Q is just a stun command.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 21 2011 16:11 GMT
#24
you always get a negatron first unless you're rushing bv
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 21 2011 16:14 GMT
#25
It depends on what I feel I need. If the health and mana will serve me better, I will get that. Otherwise I typically like to go for Nega+ruby. A lot of it depends on how much money I have when I start to buy my BV.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 21 2011 16:16 GMT
#26
The whole idea behind BV is survivability. So order for "rushing" it is Negatron => Ruby or Ruby => Negatron. Only reason you'd get Catalyst first is if you're opening Catalyst as your first or second item of the game.
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Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
September 13 2011 17:33 GMT
#27
Not to bump up, but I've been playing a lot of Brand lately. I've read a lot on him, so I feel like I know what I'm supposed to be doing, but it's really, really hard to pull off in a game situation.

I know in a 1v1, I'm supposed to E -> Q -> W -> R for maximum damage and then back off until my CDs are back, or fire off anything available. However, landing that Sear when people are running around like idiots in random directions is almost impossible at lower levels, and without the stun the chances that they'll stay in my PoF is almost null.

In team fights, I should be hitting Q -> E -> W -> R and just pumping out AoE damage as much as possible, but it's almost never the case that they're all standing close enough to get hit and I generally just chuck out my spells at whatever seems good to hit. I don't feel efficient in any way... yet somehow it seems to work.

Any tips or tricks? Maybe a good video to watch on the matter?
Whatevs
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 13 2011 17:43 GMT
#28
In laning I tend to rely on ew to do most of my damage, You ideally want to be at the point where missing q doesnt eliminate your ability to get a kill. Often times I just skip using it entirely until I need a last bit of damage as they run away, provided that I had no better chance to use it (free hit or something like that)

I find that teamfights often revolve around launching an r at the point when you know it will take as few meaningless bounces as possible. Beyond that, I tend to try to place my w where it will hit the most people, throwing out e to increase burst and saving q in case someone starts to run at me.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Raisauce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada864 Posts
September 13 2011 17:45 GMT
#29
On September 14 2011 02:33 Zenithal wrote:
Not to bump up, but I've been playing a lot of Brand lately. I've read a lot on him, so I feel like I know what I'm supposed to be doing, but it's really, really hard to pull off in a game situation.

I know in a 1v1, I'm supposed to E -> Q -> W -> R for maximum damage and then back off until my CDs are back, or fire off anything available. However, landing that Sear when people are running around like idiots in random directions is almost impossible at lower levels, and without the stun the chances that they'll stay in my PoF is almost null.


It's usually not random directions at lower levels. They probably have some sort of pattern since they can't 'dance' properly. Just try to understand their pattern and make note of it when using your Q. Like any skillshot, its all about anticipation so just try to anticpate their movement.
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
September 13 2011 17:48 GMT
#30
Thanks for quick replies.

Two other questions:

1) Is it worth getting Ryali's quickly to better line up the combo with slows, or should I just focus on 2-3 rings, boots, and RD?

2) Is Exhaust viable? I know the guide says Ignite (most do), but is the extra defensiveness alright to use as well?
Whatevs
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
September 13 2011 17:51 GMT
#31
On September 14 2011 02:33 Zenithal wrote:
Not to bump up, but I've been playing a lot of Brand lately. I've read a lot on him, so I feel like I know what I'm supposed to be doing, but it's really, really hard to pull off in a game situation.

I know in a 1v1, I'm supposed to E -> Q -> W -> R for maximum damage and then back off until my CDs are back, or fire off anything available. However, landing that Sear when people are running around like idiots in random directions is almost impossible at lower levels, and without the stun the chances that they'll stay in my PoF is almost null.

In team fights, I should be hitting Q -> E -> W -> R and just pumping out AoE damage as much as possible, but it's almost never the case that they're all standing close enough to get hit and I generally just chuck out my spells at whatever seems good to hit. I don't feel efficient in any way... yet somehow it seems to work.

Any tips or tricks? Maybe a good video to watch on the matter?


You shouldn't always be trying to make the perfect play with Brand just like you shouldn't always be aiming to catch 5 people in Tibber stun. More often then not the enemy team will not allow it.


In 1v1 you should be abusing the range on W to get hits in whilst avoiding damage yourself. Get them down to a point where if you actually get up close you can bring them down.

In a teamfight you gotta decide things on the fly. It's not just aiming for the biggest chunk of damage. With E and Q you have a very reliable way of saving team mates from a pretty long range.


You shouldn't stick to much to one single perfect combo wich deals the highest theoretical damage. Brand is all about adapting combo's on the fly for what you need. The extra 20% damage on W is very good but you should always keep in mind if it's worth it to get in enemy skill range with E just to set it up.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 13 2011 17:57 GMT
#32
On September 14 2011 02:48 Zenithal wrote:
Thanks for quick replies.

Two other questions:

1) Is it worth getting Ryali's quickly to better line up the combo with slows, or should I just focus on 2-3 rings, boots, and RD?

2) Is Exhaust viable? I know the guide says Ignite (most do), but is the extra defensiveness alright to use as well?

I avoid rylais pretty much entirely on Brand. You are a caster that specializes in doing a ton of damage, so you want to itemize for that. Rylais is really dropping 3k+for an item that can be avoided simply by learning to land his skillshots. I personally do not like the item on brand.

Exaust can work, but again, brand does a TON of damage upfront, so you really wont ever be in a situation where "I can kill him but I need to survive HIS upfront burst" is going to come around. So again, I tend to stick with ignite.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
September 13 2011 18:07 GMT
#33
Chauster gets Rylai's on Brand pretty regularly from what I've seen on stream, so I doubt it's a bad choice. I know Brand's passive appies the slow so it makes him a bit more than "just damage" in teamfights.

I don't play Brand myself though so I don't know how it compares to other item choices.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 13 2011 18:34 GMT
#34
Rylai's isn't a bad item on casters, Brand is no exception. It gives 80 AP and a ton of HP, both of which let you do more damage. More HP means you stay alive longer to cast more spells. The passive is nice too. The thing is, though, you don't really wanna rush Rylais ever. Getting RoA and/or Deathcap is simply much higher priority. And by the time you finish RoA and/or Deathcap, the enemy team will probably have some mres, so you should get Void Staff. But Assuming you get all that, and you still have gold and game still hasn't ended, Rylais is a fine choice.
Zenithal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States142 Posts
September 13 2011 18:55 GMT
#35
Also, what should I be doing with Sear? I know I don't level it until last, but should I just be saving it for the stun or to line up combos, or should it be hit on cooldown as damage and harass?
Whatevs
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
September 13 2011 19:04 GMT
#36
On September 14 2011 03:55 Zenithal wrote:
Also, what should I be doing with Sear? I know I don't level it until last, but should I just be saving it for the stun or to line up combos, or should it be hit on cooldown as damage and harass?


Imo you can level Q after E, the difference isn't that large. You don't get a lot of damage results on the lane with Q anyway if the other guy keeps himself shielded all the time.


As for what you use the Q for, again it kinda depends on the situation. In most teamfights you want to use it to defend yourself from imminent threats.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 13 2011 19:13 GMT
#37
Generally late game I tend to keep q up to use as a defensive mechanism, unless I have an opportunity to stun a high priority target.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
September 13 2011 19:24 GMT
#38
you guys are crazy if you don't start boots + 3 and open e. i'd say brand has the best lvl 1 damage of any (currently played, ie. ap) solomid, especially with his tight as fuck autoattack. e auto auto is usually enough to force a pot right off the bat. also though, w for lvl1 fights is fun!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 13 2011 19:30 GMT
#39
On September 14 2011 04:24 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
you guys are crazy if you don't start boots + 3 and open e. i'd say brand has the best lvl 1 damage of any (currently played, ie. ap) solomid, especially with his tight as fuck autoattack. e auto auto is usually enough to force a pot right off the bat. also though, w for lvl1 fights is fun!

Thats basically the case. W if you wanna fight, e otherwise.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 13 2011 19:32 GMT
#40
Brand is a stupid asshole who just facerolls and does a completely unreasonable amount of damage. Everyone should play Karma instead IMO.
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