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On January 22 2011 14:07 oberon wrote:
You really, really, want to go sorc boots + guise as your first two items on LeBlanc. You should also be ganking a ton as soon as you hit level 6. Your built-in flash means you can get from bushes to mid-lane before an opponent can react, and you have two CC abilities -- it's very hard for an opponent to survive a few hundred damage from your burst, plus being silenced/slowed/rooted while your ally beats on them. This is also why you go 0/9/21 -- you want the early, flat mpen, so the 15% mpen is worthless. You also should be running ignite over flash -- you have built in quad flash if required, and your ganks become all the more deadly with ignite.
LeBlanc, like Kass, can also run soulstealer. It has the same advantages/disadvantages. TBH I think this is the largest misstake most Leblancs do, at least in my experience. They see her as this great ganker and do nothing but gank, while the most important factor of a nuker is to stay ahead of the rest. A under-fed Leblanc is one of the most pathetic heroes in LoL. Many a games when I've played with a Leblanc they just run around ganking with their 23 CS while you start nearing 100 : (
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On January 23 2011 00:23 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 14:07 oberon wrote:
You really, really, want to go sorc boots + guise as your first two items on LeBlanc. You should also be ganking a ton as soon as you hit level 6. Your built-in flash means you can get from bushes to mid-lane before an opponent can react, and you have two CC abilities -- it's very hard for an opponent to survive a few hundred damage from your burst, plus being silenced/slowed/rooted while your ally beats on them. This is also why you go 0/9/21 -- you want the early, flat mpen, so the 15% mpen is worthless. You also should be running ignite over flash -- you have built in quad flash if required, and your ganks become all the more deadly with ignite.
LeBlanc, like Kass, can also run soulstealer. It has the same advantages/disadvantages. TBH I think this is the largest misstake most Leblancs do, at least in my experience. They see her as this great ganker and do nothing but gank, while the most important factor of a nuker is to stay ahead of the rest. A under-fed Leblanc is one of the most pathetic heroes in LoL. Many a games when I've played with a Leblanc they just run around ganking with their 23 CS while you start nearing 100 : (
Each (successful) gank nets a minimum (minimum!) of 300 cash. This is equivalent to almost 2 waves of hitting every minion. Beyond that, the whole point of LeBlanc is that she's a good assassin who doesn't scale well lategame. If you're not ganking lanes so your team can take towers/dragon/etc., you're not doing your job. She's not really an AP-carry like Anivia, Kennen, etc., because she just doesn't have the AoE to do that. Also note that W->R is ridiculous for farming, and if you're accomplishing anything at all it should be able to one shot entire waves relatively early (level 11 + NLR, I think?). So it's not like you can't catch up on farm later.
In summary: sorc/guise is optimal, it is not a mistake, and if you want to farm and build a deathcap, you shouldn't be playing LeBlanc.
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technically consecutive ganks are worth less and less
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Not to mention the fact that sorc+guise lets you gank from levels 8-10. And then your useless. By farming for a bit longer and getting a harder hitting item (NLR) you can extend your ganking superiority to when the last person on their team hits 18.
And besides, mpen boots are great, but I find the cdr boots to be optimal on her. No ulti=no kills, and most of the time someone is going to be better suited for blue than you. Cdr boots let you q faster, ulti more often, and have your escape up more. For leblanc, i believe cdr boots are much better than any alternative, same goes for cdr blues over ap blues in runes.
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On January 23 2011 05:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Not to mention the fact that sorc+guise lets you gank from levels 8-10. And then your useless. By farming for a bit longer and getting a harder hitting item (NLR) you can extend your ganking superiority to when the last person on their team hits 18.
And besides, mpen boots are great, but I find the cdr boots to be optimal on her. No ulti=no kills, and most of the time someone is going to be better suited for blue than you. Cdr boots let you q faster, ulti more often, and have your escape up more. For leblanc, i believe cdr boots are much better than any alternative, same goes for cdr blues over ap blues in runes.
Umm...at level 11, a QR combo with guise/boots against a squishy (no MRes items/runes) does:
230+12+100 + 287+15+125 = 769
The same pair of spells with NLR does:
( 230+48+100 + 287 + 60 + 125 ) / 1.3 (30 base mres) = 653
So at level 11, you're dealing 15% more damage with guise/sorc than with NLR + CDR boots. These numbers will vary based on which spells you land and what your runes are, but guise/boots will continue to be vastly better than NLR until the squishies start building merc treads/veils.
So:
A) You're not useless after level 10. That's garbage.
B) You are useless if you farm up an NLR, because you're not ganking -- if you're not ganking between levels 6 and 11, you're not doing LeBlanc's job, and the enemy team will outscale you.
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Guise is 1425. Mpen boots are 1100 total= 2525
NLR is 1600, cdr shoes are 900= 2500- Farming a nlr is exactly the same cost wise. Not to mention your going to get the deathcap next, which boosts your damage considerably. My goal is to maximize the amount of time I can do a shit ton of damage. A guise and boots are going to hit hard at the 6-11 mark. nlr into deathcap is going to hit hard 6-18
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On January 23 2011 06:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Guise is 1425. Mpen boots are 1100 total= 2525
NLR is 1600, cdr shoes are 900= 2500- Farming a nlr is exactly the same cost wise. Not to mention your going to get the deathcap next, which boosts your damage considerably. My goal is to maximize the amount of time I can do a shit ton of damage. A guise and boots are going to hit hard at the 6-11 mark. nlr into deathcap is going to hit hard 6-18
Good luck getting NLR by level 6. Sorc boots are doable around that time, but the first +damage item in your build comes MUCH later -- which is basically the problem.
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On January 23 2011 10:39 oberon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 06:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Guise is 1425. Mpen boots are 1100 total= 2525
NLR is 1600, cdr shoes are 900= 2500- Farming a nlr is exactly the same cost wise. Not to mention your going to get the deathcap next, which boosts your damage considerably. My goal is to maximize the amount of time I can do a shit ton of damage. A guise and boots are going to hit hard at the 6-11 mark. nlr into deathcap is going to hit hard 6-18 Good luck getting NLR by level 6. Sorc boots are doable around that time, but the first +damage item in your build comes MUCH later -- which is basically the problem.
how is sorc boots not a +damage item?
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On January 23 2011 11:16 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 10:39 oberon wrote:On January 23 2011 06:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Guise is 1425. Mpen boots are 1100 total= 2525
NLR is 1600, cdr shoes are 900= 2500- Farming a nlr is exactly the same cost wise. Not to mention your going to get the deathcap next, which boosts your damage considerably. My goal is to maximize the amount of time I can do a shit ton of damage. A guise and boots are going to hit hard at the 6-11 mark. nlr into deathcap is going to hit hard 6-18 Good luck getting NLR by level 6. Sorc boots are doable around that time, but the first +damage item in your build comes MUCH later -- which is basically the problem. how is sorc boots not a +damage item?
He's going for CDR boots, not sorc boots. This is part of the issue -- lots of farming utility, but none of the super-powerful burst-gank that actually lets LeBlanc help her team win games.
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On January 23 2011 12:29 oberon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 11:16 UniversalSnip wrote:On January 23 2011 10:39 oberon wrote:On January 23 2011 06:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Guise is 1425. Mpen boots are 1100 total= 2525
NLR is 1600, cdr shoes are 900= 2500- Farming a nlr is exactly the same cost wise. Not to mention your going to get the deathcap next, which boosts your damage considerably. My goal is to maximize the amount of time I can do a shit ton of damage. A guise and boots are going to hit hard at the 6-11 mark. nlr into deathcap is going to hit hard 6-18 Good luck getting NLR by level 6. Sorc boots are doable around that time, but the first +damage item in your build comes MUCH later -- which is basically the problem. how is sorc boots not a +damage item? He's going for CDR boots, not sorc boots. This is part of the issue -- lots of farming utility, but none of the super-powerful burst-gank that actually lets LeBlanc help her team win games.
completely misunderstood, lol
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On January 23 2011 04:14 oberon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 00:23 Hynda wrote:On January 22 2011 14:07 oberon wrote:
You really, really, want to go sorc boots + guise as your first two items on LeBlanc. You should also be ganking a ton as soon as you hit level 6. Your built-in flash means you can get from bushes to mid-lane before an opponent can react, and you have two CC abilities -- it's very hard for an opponent to survive a few hundred damage from your burst, plus being silenced/slowed/rooted while your ally beats on them. This is also why you go 0/9/21 -- you want the early, flat mpen, so the 15% mpen is worthless. You also should be running ignite over flash -- you have built in quad flash if required, and your ganks become all the more deadly with ignite.
LeBlanc, like Kass, can also run soulstealer. It has the same advantages/disadvantages. TBH I think this is the largest misstake most Leblancs do, at least in my experience. They see her as this great ganker and do nothing but gank, while the most important factor of a nuker is to stay ahead of the rest. A under-fed Leblanc is one of the most pathetic heroes in LoL. Many a games when I've played with a Leblanc they just run around ganking with their 23 CS while you start nearing 100 : ( Each (successful) gank nets a minimum (minimum!) of 300 cash. This is equivalent to almost 2 waves of hitting every minion. Beyond that, the whole point of LeBlanc is that she's a good assassin who doesn't scale well lategame. If you're not ganking lanes so your team can take towers/dragon/etc., you're not doing your job. She's not really an AP-carry like Anivia, Kennen, etc., because she just doesn't have the AoE to do that. Also note that W->R is ridiculous for farming, and if you're accomplishing anything at all it should be able to one shot entire waves relatively early (level 11 + NLR, I think?). So it's not like you can't catch up on farm later. In summary: sorc/guise is optimal, it is not a mistake, and if you want to farm and build a deathcap, you shouldn't be playing LeBlanc.
I usually run Soulstealer because she is pretty much unkillable during the mid game. And as for not scaling well perhaps because I'm not high ELO but I'm still one-shotting carrys (and by that I mean QRWE or WQRE depending on the situation). Hell last game my E hit for 400 on the first hit. By level 16 I'm usually a monster with atleast 14+ stacks of soulstealer and killing people left right and center.
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On January 23 2011 18:18 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 04:14 oberon wrote:On January 23 2011 00:23 Hynda wrote:On January 22 2011 14:07 oberon wrote:
You really, really, want to go sorc boots + guise as your first two items on LeBlanc. You should also be ganking a ton as soon as you hit level 6. Your built-in flash means you can get from bushes to mid-lane before an opponent can react, and you have two CC abilities -- it's very hard for an opponent to survive a few hundred damage from your burst, plus being silenced/slowed/rooted while your ally beats on them. This is also why you go 0/9/21 -- you want the early, flat mpen, so the 15% mpen is worthless. You also should be running ignite over flash -- you have built in quad flash if required, and your ganks become all the more deadly with ignite.
LeBlanc, like Kass, can also run soulstealer. It has the same advantages/disadvantages. TBH I think this is the largest misstake most Leblancs do, at least in my experience. They see her as this great ganker and do nothing but gank, while the most important factor of a nuker is to stay ahead of the rest. A under-fed Leblanc is one of the most pathetic heroes in LoL. Many a games when I've played with a Leblanc they just run around ganking with their 23 CS while you start nearing 100 : ( Each (successful) gank nets a minimum (minimum!) of 300 cash. This is equivalent to almost 2 waves of hitting every minion. Beyond that, the whole point of LeBlanc is that she's a good assassin who doesn't scale well lategame. If you're not ganking lanes so your team can take towers/dragon/etc., you're not doing your job. She's not really an AP-carry like Anivia, Kennen, etc., because she just doesn't have the AoE to do that. Also note that W->R is ridiculous for farming, and if you're accomplishing anything at all it should be able to one shot entire waves relatively early (level 11 + NLR, I think?). So it's not like you can't catch up on farm later. In summary: sorc/guise is optimal, it is not a mistake, and if you want to farm and build a deathcap, you shouldn't be playing LeBlanc. I usually run Soulstealer because she is pretty much unkillable during the mid game. And as for not scaling well perhaps because I'm not high ELO but I'm still one-shotting carrys (and by that I mean QRWE or WQRE depending on the situation). Hell last game my E hit for 400 on the first hit. By level 16 I'm usually a monster with atleast 14+ stacks of soulstealer and killing people left right and center.
If you're consistently 14+ stacks on mejai's, your ELO *will* rise until this is no longer the case. Eventually, it will rise to the point that carries buy Banshee's Veils with regularity. Then, you will be sad.
Until then: smash on!
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kk updated for me not being a total and complete bad, changing playstyle and game trends.
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0/8/22 is still better in a lot of matchups. eg Orianna
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How would Leblanc fair in a lane against Ezreal (pre 6 ofc, once she has QRQW or w/e the combo is she blows him up easy)? I have faced her once or twice mid, and whenever she tried to W on top of me, i just blinked away and shot a Q at her face.
(I am in no way saying this person i was facing was good, they went Q first)
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q w e?
cant blink when silenced and when u do blink after the silence, the root will still proc cause of huge range.
though im normally more passive in that lvl range and only engage when i landed a chain first.
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I'm going to try some games with 21 in offense for superior harass and lasthitting. Also maybe 21 defense letanc so good
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On August 13 2011 12:35 Odds wrote:
I'm going to try some games with 21 in offense for superior harass and lasthitting. Also maybe 21 defense letanc so good
What are you going to do with everything in between the mpen at 9 and the increased damage from 21?
I can't imagine it is better than having 21 in utility. Movespeed, mana regen, cdr and summoner cdr just sooo much more useful than a bit more damage imo.
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If you have some spare cash, which you should, ward the enemy jungle buffs (or if your team is coordinated, get your support to CV them constantly) and pick off their jungler. You should be able to LeBonk most jungles with the element of surprise.
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please add to the op: Le bonk she get the name bonk because she bonk so hard you gonna die 2 hits every time.
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