EPT[Champion] LeBlanc - Page 3
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
its kinda interesting tho, except that i have no idea what you would do for the first 20 mins | ||
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:35 barbsq wrote: i've never liked ss on support its kinda interesting tho, except that i have no idea what you would do for the first 20 mins I was thinking bot with Caitlyn or something like that. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:44 barbsq wrote: yeah that was the point, pretty much any support you could choose would be better for the laning phase. ranged ad need something that either provides sustain or mitigates dmg in some way. leblanc doesnt really have that I was hoping that Caitlyn's strong laning would make up for it. Or Pantheon and LeBlanc for shits and giggles. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Her best matchups are people that arent Galio. Anyone else is a 1 shot candidate unless they stack MR early, in which case they delay damage for mid game so you blow your 1 person up and get out. Some people that push lanes ezpz can be a bitch, Cassiopeia, Morgana (+shield,) Gragas, Malzahar etc. After DC-> Void staff generally I get Banshees and then zhonyas or abyssal, if I start out amazingly I'll be gay and go Soulstealer ->Sorcs -> Haunting Guise and try to win in sub 20 minutes | ||
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InvaderUK
225 Posts
Usually I get boots first then 2-3 dorans rings depending on how much roaming I am doing. Then either I build DFG or DC, I like DFG better as a first item as it builds out of easier components and is very useful. From there on I usually get DC> void and then a banshee so you can just go get their AD in the teamfights. Playstyle wise I usually play pretty passive until level 4-6ish depending on matchup, then i'll try either go for the kill or zone/force them out of lane. Remember to keep your W unless you're sure you can kill them as that's gonna be your escape for ganks and if you get caught out without it while pushed then you're pretty much dead. However sometimes junglers are stupid and gank on <75% health, you can just kill them post-6 and run away. You run into the danger of using too much mana for what it's worth if you start at level1-3, however if you get to level 2 first you can press an early lane advantage. (will edit later for teamfights, im bored at work) Early on you may have to deal with small fights in the jungle, LB excels at these 2-3 man skirmishes as she can just pop her combo, run out and then pop it again for the kill. In the jungle abuse the fog of war and try to only be seen when doing damage. When it comes to dragon fights you should let your team do dragon while you zone them, try hang out in a bush which isnt the little one in the river as thats the most obvious, sometimes I opt for the one by red buff or the side of mid lane so I can run in behind them to pick off a squishy. Leblanc has a favourable position if you are behind the enemy team unseen. Sometimes you wont have this option so you'd have to approach from the side of their team as they initiate to pick someone off or just stay behind your own team (least favourable, but most safe option.) The goal for Leblanc in the fight is to take down a squishy and then either distract as much attention as possible if you get away with alot of hp, or to wait and take down another. Her chains are rather good for disrupting enemy tanks if you are playing the safer options. Another great thing about LB is that her juking in the jungle is strong, along with your summoner flash you have 3 jumps if required, and counting the fact that you can turn your W into 2 jumps, juking can become ridiculous. The most common problem for most inexperience LB players is the complaint "Leblanc is useless lategame", which I find most games untrue. This problem often stems from wrong approach, or wrong build, later on if you are facing death alot then I would build banshees to ensure my ability to burst down someone in the fight without getting instagibbed myself. Priority champion switches from AP to the AD later on in the game for obvious reasons, once you take the priority out as Leblanc, anything else you do is a bonus. By wrong approach I mean that in late game fights, leblanc players trying to gib their target from the back of their own team are highly unlikely to. You have to catch them off guard running from one place to another, or take a riskier approach from the back or side during a fight. Ward control can be a huge factor in this. The other problem is if you lose lane as LB or they stack so much MR that you become ineffective, in these cases then LB is pretty useless lategame. If you lost lane then you must have chose an unfavourable matchup or played pretty poorly and in that case deserve to be useless. However if the rest of their team had to build banshees veil then you delayed their builds and forced an item slot from them (banshees still pretty useful anyway though lol.) In these cases where you are the loser, you just have to become a ward bitch and maybe even build aura items to be as useful as possible. aka, lose lane or get counterbuilt = become a support instead.. One other thing if they all build MR is to go after the support as they will not have itemised as well as the others and are still a crucial part of the teamfight. Wow this post was so much longer than I thought it'd be, I must be bored. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
1) Fiddlestick 2) Vlad 3) Kassadin All of which has some silence or other kinds of mechanism which can easily break your combo. Overall, LeBlanc is a counterpick; she does well against most "conventional" ap carries such as Annie, Ahri, Cass, Mal, Karthus, Brand, Xerath, etc. But she is pretty useless in her own right. It's kind of like Vlad, I think. | ||
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InvaderUK
225 Posts
"If you lost lane then you must have chose an unfavourable matchup or played pretty poorly and in that case deserve to be useless." Anyway I addressed this in the previous post, even though she doesnt have much utility she still functions well as an assasin lategame, obviously she doesn't scale as well as the AOE champs but she's not useless at all. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 16 2012 21:32 Sufficiency wrote: I actually do think LeBlanc *is* useless in late game; she lacks certain utility in team fights because her spells are either not AOE, has short range, or is a linear collision skillshot. So she absolutely has to be able to win the early laning phase. But I think her kit is good enough that she will come on top of *most* AP carries in mid... except: 1) Fiddlestick 2) Vlad 3) Kassadin All of which has some silence or other kinds of mechanism which can easily break your combo. Overall, LeBlanc is a counterpick; she does well against most "conventional" ap carries such as Annie, Ahri, Cass, Mal, Karthus, Brand, Xerath, etc. But she is pretty useless in her own right. It's kind of like Vlad, I think. Vlad useless what? LB is great mid, just dont play her vs the counterpicks, I'm not sure why you didnt mention Galio the classic counterpick, and AP Sion shits on LB roaming as well as in lane. Lategame she isnt amazing but if you have won lane and roamed and helped your other lanes win, you are the best assasin in the game. Its nearly impossible to keep LB from gibbing your AD with decent ward coverage. If you really need the AOE damage you can go for the LB bomb where you WR into as many of them as you can, toss off a binding and pop zhonyas/flash out over wall. You'll probably die horribly, but you can do so much damage that it can be totally worth it. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 17 2012 00:08 sob3k wrote: Vlad useless what? LB is great mid, just dont play her vs the counterpicks, I'm not sure why you didnt mention Galio the classic counterpick, and AP Sion shits on LB roaming as well as in lane. Lategame she isnt amazing but if you have won lane and roamed and helped your other lanes win, you are the best assasin in the game. Its nearly impossible to keep LB from gibbing your AD with decent ward coverage. If you really need the AOE damage you can go for the LB bomb where you WR into as many of them as you can, toss off a binding and pop zhonyas/flash out over wall. You'll probably die horribly, but you can do so much damage that it can be totally worth it. Galio I forgot. I am not sure if AP Sion is a counter to LeBlanc though. LeBlanc can burst easily and consistently to pop Sion's shield, so I never had problems against Sion. The only thing Sion has going is a larger health pool. I am a little biased against Vlad. It feels to me that he has poor scaling, his only advantage is his sustain (which can't be matched with AD sustain, so....), and like many manaless champions, do not do well in late game. I could be wrong though. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Secondly, Vlad does not do bad in lategame. I have no idea where some of you people get these ideas. He does a ton of AOE damage on a very low cool down. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 17 2012 01:20 Sufficiency wrote: Galio I forgot. I am not sure if AP Sion is a counter to LeBlanc though. LeBlanc can burst easily and consistently to pop Sion's shield, so I never had problems against Sion. The only thing Sion has going is a larger health pool. I am a little biased against Vlad. It feels to me that he has poor scaling, his only advantage is his sustain (which can't be matched with AD sustain, so....), and like many manaless champions, do not do well in late game. I could be wrong though. Watch some of the IPL games where Dyrus craps all over teamfights with Vlad, Vlad is really strong at all stages of the game. AP Sion most definitely counters LB. You will run out of mana popping shield and meanwhile you can't roam at all and if you dont pop the shield he will instaclear the wave and triple your CS while you are under turret. Saying that you have no problems against AP Sion with LB makes me think you havent played the matchup and are just theory crafting. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On April 17 2012 02:05 sob3k wrote: Watch some of the IPL games where Dyrus craps all over teamfights with Vlad, Vlad is really strong at all stages of the game. AP Sion most definitely counters LB. You will run out of mana popping shield and meanwhile you can't roam at all and if you dont pop the shield he will instaclear the wave and triple your CS while you are under turret. Saying that you have no problems against AP Sion with LB makes me think you havent played the matchup and are just theory crafting. I only played once or twice against Sion with LB and i agree. I can deal with some of the clear counterpicks ok but Sion is quite hard to beat. It's not impossible but you need to be on top of your combo and timings (combo right when shield exploded) but also have quite some luck on your side. It's not a matchup i would recommend trying as LB. In lategame, LeBlanc can do a ton of damage to the opponents AP carries or supports and makes the opponent play a lot more defensive and spend gold on magic resistance that is not spent on items hurting your team. Teamfight starts => jump in => QRE that Sona,Sokara,Lulu,Brand,Annie or whatever else is most annoying and the target is dead or low enough to either run away or get picked of by 1-2 hits of your AD carry. If the enemy team runs, WE and one of them won't get far. Then again, i'm only a midlevel player, i.e. i suck and i don't understand the game :p Still, LeBlanc is sooooooo much fun, one of my favourite champions by far. | ||
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InvaderUK
225 Posts
Other than the fact that you can push wave and gain hp for each creep you take, or just take no damage from her it is a pretty advantageous lane for sion. There is also the roam threat while LB will be stuck at tower. | ||
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HughMyron
297 Posts
I mean, it's fun, but hard. Does anyone have any VOD's of a High Elo LeBlanc? Or even any tips? | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
It is important to try to never eat free damage or harass as most laners but it is absolutely crucial for leblanc as her combo requires her to get into pretty close range to the enemy to pop your q's silence reliably, putting you at high risk of cc if the enemy has one which thus exposes you to ganks and creep aggro if you autoattacked (worth considering before you auto early levels), which usually makes for fairly close hp in lane until you commit or trade exceptionally well. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
Unless everybody on the enemy team starts building at least some magic resistance item you will still chunk them no matter what. Was even an enemy singed on the other team, with his ult on and a force of nature with just a Q > Mimic Q combo would still bring him down close to 50% (lvl 3 ult that is) If I ever got on their AD carry, support or jungler they didn't have enough magic resistance and I could for the part 100-0 them if I could do my full W-E-Q-R combo. Mainly because you're doing true damage with your spells because of all the m-penn. My best game was something crazy like 25-2-10 or so. Now usually ever other time I played leblanc I'd either get an early deathcap or even go into DFG to make your combo that much stronger, but after doing the first "troll all magic penn" build and it working as well as it did I tried it in a few other games and it seemed to work just as well. Wondering if anyone else has any experience with a heavy magic penn build on leblanc. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 02 2012 13:55 SidianTheBard wrote: So I've had Leblanc for awhile now but lately I've been playing a very heavy Magic Pen build on her and it's actually working out extremely well. I have been going Boots + 3 > haunting guise (sometimes I'd do a dorans or two before HG, depends when I have to go back and how much gold I have) > sorc boots > blasting wand > abyssal > blasting wand > void staff. Unless everybody on the enemy team starts building at least some magic resistance item you will still chunk them no matter what. Was even an enemy singed on the other team, with his ult on and a force of nature with just a Q > Mimic Q combo would still bring him down close to 50% (lvl 3 ult that is) If I ever got on their AD carry, support or jungler they didn't have enough magic resistance and I could for the part 100-0 them if I could do my full W-E-Q-R combo. Mainly because you're doing true damage with your spells because of all the m-penn. My best game was something crazy like 25-2-10 or so. Now usually ever other time I played leblanc I'd either get an early deathcap or even go into DFG to make your combo that much stronger, but after doing the first "troll all magic penn" build and it working as well as it did I tried it in a few other games and it seemed to work just as well. Wondering if anyone else has any experience with a heavy magic penn build on leblanc. Yeah, I've done it before too and it is really strong if the other team doesn't build MR. If you can get Sorc Shoes+haunting guise within 10-12 minutes it actually increases your damage like 20-30%. 40 magic pen OP because unlike armor pen magic pen reduces MR below zero. You get more damage increase from SorcShoes+Haunting guise by a rather large amount than you do from SorcShoes+NLG for sure, thing is it scales really poorly once people start getting magioc resist. Plus, if you ever feel like getting Void Staff you basically wasted all the gold spent getting Haunting Guise and Sorc Shoes because flat pen calculated before percent pen so your magic penetration with just VoidStaff and with Sorc Shoes+Haunting Guise+VoidStaf is virtually identical. So... the above being stated seeing how most good players whoa re playing against LB are just gonna stack MR and farm anyway I dont think the build is that good. However, it is like a stupidly strong pubstomp build. Like personally I see LB and I am gonna rock a full MR rune page and just eventually outscale her because she couldn't kill me in lane... if I get a Negatron/Null Magic mantle LB just gonna be useless, especially if you only have magic pen items. Not to mention, its pretty rare that LB shows up to any lane not her own and doesn't have the burst to instagib someone with the laner assisting anyway. | ||
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