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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 22 2015 20:40 Timelog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard? Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times  Seeing as mass losing on purpose has always been a bannable offense, it seems quite obvious that you should report them for it when you encounter such players.
But what if the player just doesn't want to play some MU? I mean 3 weeks ago I left 15 games(+-) in a row because I didn't want to play PvZ or PvR(33 % chance to play a Zerg), I played 10 games in a row on the same map and it was PvZ so I wanted a change and the 11th game made me mad. Technically it was reportable...
The ladder is just stupid in some ways. For example this could be solved by system detecting that you are quiting too many games so it would just stopped lowering your MMR if you quit a game after the start. EZPZ
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On October 23 2015 16:30 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 20:40 Timelog wrote:On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard? Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times Seeing as mass losing on purpose has always been a bannable offense, it seems quite obvious that you should report them for it when you encounter such players. But what if the player just doesn't want to play some MU? I mean 3 weeks ago I left 15 games(+-) in a row because I didn't want to play PvZ or PvR(33 % chance to play a Zerg), I played 10 games in a row on the same map and it was PvZ so I wanted a change and the 11th game made me mad. Technically it was reportable... The ladder is just stupid in some ways. For example this could be solved by system detecting that you are quiting too many games so it would just stopped lowering your MMR if you quit a game after the start. EZPZ
Maybe games where you quit shouldn't affect the player's MMR at all. It seems pretty obvious that games where a player leaves before either player encounters the other, where no damage was done, or where no non-worker units were built by either side are meaningless when it comes to measuring either player's skill level. It's probably possible to detect when someone loses by just going afk as well and discount that game.
The system could still give the winner the ladder points and remove ladder points from the loser, but not adjust either player's MMR.
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On October 22 2015 14:54 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 10:36 ETisME wrote:
The only thing i wish they can improve is make the tournament mode feels cool to join, with fade in out effects and good looking map pick and interface.
There is no audience so the game should work on improving the experience by above, to make it feel grande They can have recorded sound clips from korean/foreign commentators that play at appropriate occasions, such as - "GGEEEEEEEGGEEEEEEEEEE!!!" at win - "Sooo many banelings!!" when making more than 30 banes - cheering crowd when winning tournament - "REBO REBO REBOOO!!" when using, ummm, disruptors.
Automatically winning the game if you destroy your own CC!
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Has it been bugged? It stopped letting me veto maps, it just goes to the match when both players are ready. I can't even really look who's in my tournament, that box stays up where you have to hit "ready" or whatever. I can until the next round, but then the same thing happens, can't veto maps etc...
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I'm happy this has come out. Improvements will be made and it will just take time. :-) or it will fail hard lol
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Is there going to be a feature built in so you can kiss the trophies?
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 27 2015 15:46 GGzerG wrote:
Is there going to be a feature built in so you can kiss the trophies?
You can always buy bottles of champagne and do the awkward champagne opening ceremony 
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Stupid system. How will players improve if they only play vs equally bad players in a tournament format?!
Also they deny players the chance to fight vs known sc2 players even if they have no chance to win.
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On October 27 2015 19:03 -Archangel- wrote:
Stupid system. How will players improve if they only play vs equally bad players in a tournament format?!
Also they deny players the chance to fight vs known sc2 players even if they have no chance to win.
This post proves that you simply cannot make everyone happy.
The majority of the community cried for a system like this for years, and now you come along with a statement like this.
Also, what are they denying? They're not denying anything. You can do whatever you want still.
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On October 27 2015 19:03 -Archangel- wrote:
Stupid system. How will players improve if they only play vs equally bad players in a tournament format?!
Also they deny players the chance to fight vs known sc2 players even if they have no chance to win.
I'll have you know that I, a gold level player, faced, and ANNIHILATED, Thorzain himself! (in a game of desert strike)
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On October 27 2015 20:59 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 19:03 -Archangel- wrote:
Stupid system. How will players improve if they only play vs equally bad players in a tournament format?!
Also they deny players the chance to fight vs known sc2 players even if they have no chance to win. This post proves that you simply cannot make everyone happy. The majority of the community cried for a system like this for years, and now you come along with a statement like this. Also, what are they denying? They're not denying anything. You can do whatever you want still.
They are denying lower level playing from playing vs known sc2 players as those will play in high level tournament while gold players and below in their own. Most of these players will never get to Masters to be able to play vs known players.
Also tournament format will work a bit differently than random ladder, and people will not get to play vs better players and learn from them.
All Blizzard done is put stupid artificial limitations.
At least I hope people will have an option to enter the high ranked tournament no matter their MMR.
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They're not denying those players anything. Even if they'd do open "ffa" tournaments, how do you think that would work? First come, first serve? Then pro players wouldn't even touch these tournaments since it's a waste of time for them.
These tournaments are also not necessarily to learn how to play vs better players, especially since people might not play like they would on ladder.
Why should AT do something that the ladder already does perfectly?
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No ladder play is different. Losing a few points if you do stupid stuff is different than dropping out of the tournament.
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On October 27 2015 23:48 -Archangel- wrote:
No ladder play is different. Losing a few points if you do stupid stuff is different than dropping out of the tournament.
Thats the point. Ladder is different, becase it's fulfilling the points you critizise about the tournaments.
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On October 28 2015 00:15 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 23:48 -Archangel- wrote:
No ladder play is different. Losing a few points if you do stupid stuff is different than dropping out of the tournament. Thats the point. Ladder is different, becase it's fulfilling the points you critizise about the tournaments.
No. You will not run into know players as Gold player as well.
People will play differently vs you on ladder and you will not learn how to be a better tournament player. You can learn that from the tournament only and if you only play vs equal skill opponents you got nothing to learn.
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On October 28 2015 01:42 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 00:15 KeksX wrote:On October 27 2015 23:48 -Archangel- wrote:
No ladder play is different. Losing a few points if you do stupid stuff is different than dropping out of the tournament. Thats the point. Ladder is different, becase it's fulfilling the points you critizise about the tournaments. No. You will not run into know players as Gold player as well. People will play differently vs you on ladder and you will not learn how to be a better tournament player. You can learn that from the tournament only and if you only play vs equal skill opponents you got nothing to learn.
Being in the same league does not mean that you are on equal skill.
Also, if no one, like you said, is a tournament player, then why should you be one? Doesn't make sense. If you want real tournaments go play ESL cups or something.
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On October 27 2015 23:40 KeksX wrote:
Then pro players wouldn't even touch these tournaments since it's a waste of time for them.
Yeah, if nothing else, you have this problem. Any mechanism matching pros against low level players is a waste of time for the pros. If high level players want to play against low level players, they smurf, and mostly people hate that at low level anyway...
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On October 28 2015 03:12 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 01:42 -Archangel- wrote:On October 28 2015 00:15 KeksX wrote:On October 27 2015 23:48 -Archangel- wrote:
No ladder play is different. Losing a few points if you do stupid stuff is different than dropping out of the tournament. Thats the point. Ladder is different, becase it's fulfilling the points you critizise about the tournaments. No. You will not run into know players as Gold player as well. People will play differently vs you on ladder and you will not learn how to be a better tournament player. You can learn that from the tournament only and if you only play vs equal skill opponents you got nothing to learn. Being in the same league does not mean that you are on equal skill. Also, if no one, like you said, is a tournament player, then why should you be one? Doesn't make sense. If you want real tournaments go play ESL cups or something.
Isn't the point of these automated ones to get more people to play tournament format without all the hassle of going outside Blizzard programs?
And in that way get more people interested in the competitive aspect of SC2.
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On October 28 2015 18:12 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 03:12 KeksX wrote:On October 28 2015 01:42 -Archangel- wrote:On October 28 2015 00:15 KeksX wrote:On October 27 2015 23:48 -Archangel- wrote:
No ladder play is different. Losing a few points if you do stupid stuff is different than dropping out of the tournament. Thats the point. Ladder is different, becase it's fulfilling the points you critizise about the tournaments. No. You will not run into know players as Gold player as well. People will play differently vs you on ladder and you will not learn how to be a better tournament player. You can learn that from the tournament only and if you only play vs equal skill opponents you got nothing to learn. Being in the same league does not mean that you are on equal skill. Also, if no one, like you said, is a tournament player, then why should you be one? Doesn't make sense. If you want real tournaments go play ESL cups or something. Isn't the point of these automated ones to get more people to play tournament format without all the hassle of going outside Blizzard programs? And in that way get more people interested in the competitive aspect of SC2.
Yes, and in what way is it not achieving this?
You were the one saying that you can't practice tournament play in those. I disagree with that.
The question "Also, if no one, like you said, is a tournament player, then why should you be one?" refers to the fact that if you're in gold and want to play a tournament, you don't need to practice specific builds for this tournament since no one else does.
And if you're good enough to look up & execute tournament builds, you're probably not gold anymore and face opponents who do the same.
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No point in continuing this, you don't understand me and probably never will.
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