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An In-Depth Look At Automated Tournaments

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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 13:53:14
October 21 2015 22:24 GMT
#1
Blizzard released an update on Automated Tournaments, which inclues the rewards that can be expected in the future. I recommend having a look at the full post here: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/19929294

This is the quoted version with all the text, but with only the three most important pictures to keep it more compressed.

Edit: Added a picture that might possibly show the upcoming map pool.

When we introduced Automated Tournaments to the Legacy of the Void beta, we released some details about this new feature, but now that we’re close to the launch of the expansion, we’d like to go in depth about how we designed tournaments, and share the thinking behind the decisions we made.


Why We Added Tournaments

One of the major reasons we're developing tournaments is because we heard the demand from the community for them, and we wanted to deliver on that. Another reason is that StarCraft II is a competitive game at its core, and tournaments are the ultimate expression of the StarCraft competitive experience. We want everyone to experience the eSports competitive scene for themselves and to feel the joy of bringing home a trophy.


Looking at Warcraft III

In designing tournaments for StarCraft II, we took a look at how they currently work in Warcraft III and noticed two things we really wanted to improve.

The first and most important was matchmaking. Warcraft III tournaments use Swiss style matchmaking, in which players with similar records are matched against each other, and only one player can become champion. Ultimately, this style of matchmaking means only the highest skilled players can win, causing an ugly cycle where less skilled players continually lose, and eventually stop participating in tournaments altogether.

The other area we wanted to improve was differentiating tournaments more from the ladder system. In Warcraft III, there are some differences between the two - such as loose matchmaking, set modes, set times, and portrait rewards - but those differences don't really speak to the core of what players expect from tournaments.

With the above challenges in mind, we looked at how we might address them.


Smaller Tournaments with Matchmaking

One way we felt we could address the above issues was by grouping players of similar skill together in smaller tournaments. Holding multiple small tournaments at once means more than one player can win. In addition, grouping players by skill means the most skilled players aren't the only ones who stand a chance at winning.

To differentiate winners of tournaments of varying skill levels, each tournament has a difficulty level determined by the player in the highest league for that tournament. Grouping players also distinguishes tournaments from the ladder, since it removes anonymity and lets players see who they're up against (just like in real tournaments).

When playing in tournaments, you'll be able to see your opponents' races, past build orders, and win records for each map. As with professional tournaments, you can veto maps in your favor and prepare strategies against your opponent. You’ll also have a private channel to chat with your opponent and wish them luck, whether good or bad.

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(Is this the new, upcoming map pool for release?)

Two Formats for Play

When designing the formats for tournaments, we decided on two types: a three-round version and a six-round version.

The three-round tournament with single elimination bracket play is more common. This format was designed to be more accessible to players by requiring less time commitment than the six-round format, and is scheduled to start every two hours.

The six-round tournamentwas designed to fulfill the StarCraft II competitive fantasy. This tournament format starts with three rounds of double elimination group play followed by three rounds of single elimination bracket play.

Each round consists of a match followed by a short break. Each match lasts 25 minutes with 5 minute breaks in between. If the match doesn't end in 25 minutes, the winner is determined by who is ahead in experience points. On the other hand, if all players finish early, the tournament automatically advances to the next round, which shortens the overall length of the tournament.

In the group play segment, there are four groups. Each group has four players who compete among themselves for spots and better seeding in bracket play. These tournaments occur twice a day every Friday, Saturday and Sunday.



The Right Rewards

Similar in importance to the format and structure of tournaments are rewards.

In Warcraft III, portraits work well as rewards for tournaments because there aren't many of them in the game, so it’s easy to tell how prestigious each one is. However, StarCraft II has many portraits, so it’s hard to distinguish the rarity of one from another.

When we looked at what kind of rewards made the most sense for StarCraft II tournaments, the answer was easy and obvious: trophies and league icons.

Upon winning a tournament in StarCraft II, you will be granted a 3D trophy with the league icon that’s associated with the tournament. Each trophy you collect will display the format type and time of the tournament where you won. In addition, all the trophies you earn will be displayed in a new section of your profile called the Trophy Case.

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In addition to the Trophy Case, a 3D trophy model will appear next to your bases in-game for the remainder of the ladder season.


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If you’re not sure whether to spend time playing for a trophy or for a league promotion, there’s no need to worry: you can try for both by participating in tournaments, since tournament matches also count toward ranked play. Additionally, whenever we make improvements to ranked play after Legacy of the Void releases, those same changes will affect tournaments as well.



How to Participate in Tournaments

Once Legacy of the Void launches, you'll be able to join in the fun by heading over to the Multiplayer section of the in-game menu, where you'll find Tournaments. Once there, simply select your race and sign up to join a tournament.

While you wait to start, feel free to play some campaign missions, jump into the matchmaker, or hop into an Arcade game! Whether you're in a game or waiting on Battle.net, you'll receive a notification when the tournament is about to begin.


We hope you've enjoyed our in-depth look at Automated Tournaments! We're listening closely to the current discussions about the game and what the community would like to see. There's still more work to be done for the game and more features we'd like to add in the future.

Thanks for reading! GLHF in tournaments!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
AdrianHealeyy
Profile Joined June 2015
114 Posts
October 21 2015 22:59 GMT
#2
Slowly, but steadily, they are improving.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
October 21 2015 23:31 GMT
#3
That new map has SIX gold bases lmao

Trophy case seems solid. It would also be neat to have different trophy models for each season too keep the incentive up.
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
October 22 2015 00:14 GMT
#4
TROPHIES :OOOOOOO HYPEUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Have a nice day ;)
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
October 22 2015 00:37 GMT
#5
This map does not fill me with confidence for having a sane map pool.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 22 2015 00:43 GMT
#6
On October 22 2015 08:31 eviltomahawk wrote:
That new map has SIX gold bases lmao

Have you seen some of the team maps in HotS?
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 01:11:46
October 22 2015 01:11 GMT
#7
I don't really care about automated tournaments in the first place, but the implementation and presentation seem pretty damn slick.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 22 2015 01:21 GMT
#8
See i like the tournament function but i also don't think that their implemenation is all that great.

First i still don't understand why scheduled tournaments are the only option. Why not just let players set up their own tournaments? Another option would be to let players sign in for a tournament and as soon as there are enough players start it.
I doubt it would take too long to find 8 players for example.

Schedules tournament should be for big ones only imo, ones where you can win stuff, etc.


I guess i simply wanna more customization here. Props for giving tournament winners something though, even if there obviously is still potential to improve that too (different models for trophies, etc)
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12706 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 01:36:50
October 22 2015 01:36 GMT
#9
The only thing i wish they can improve is make the tournament mode feels cool to join, with fade in out effects and good looking map pick and interface.

There is no audience so the game should work on improving the experience by above, to make it feel grande
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 22 2015 05:54 GMT
#10
On October 22 2015 10:36 ETisME wrote:
The only thing i wish they can improve is make the tournament mode feels cool to join, with fade in out effects and good looking map pick and interface.

There is no audience so the game should work on improving the experience by above, to make it feel grande

They can have recorded sound clips from korean/foreign commentators that play at appropriate occasions, such as

- "GGEEEEEEEGGEEEEEEEEEE!!!" at win
- "Sooo many banelings!!" when making more than 30 banes
- cheering crowd when winning tournament
- "REBO REBO REBOOO!!" when using, ummm, disruptors.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 08:13:26
October 22 2015 08:13 GMT
#11
So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard?

Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
October 22 2015 09:40 GMT
#12
On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:
So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard?

Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times


From what I understood from the OP, the trophies will have the level written on it. So I don't think having a case full of "Bronze" trophies will be anything worth bragging about... unless of course your level truly is that of a bronze player. I that case you earned it fair and square, so go crazy ;-)
I mean I'm a diamond player. I could smurf and farm gold tourneys for EZ wins. But so what ? It's not like my "gold trophies" are going to impress anyone at diamond level and above...
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 22 2015 10:51 GMT
#13
On October 22 2015 18:40 LoneYoShi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:
So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard?

Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times


From what I understood from the OP, the trophies will have the level written on it. So I don't think having a case full of "Bronze" trophies will be anything worth bragging about... unless of course your level truly is that of a bronze player. I that case you earned it fair and square, so go crazy ;-)
I mean I'm a diamond player. I could smurf and farm gold tourneys for EZ wins. But so what ? It's not like my "gold trophies" are going to impress anyone at diamond level and above...

Well there are people who have good feelings from being in lower leagues and dismantling people in that league. And what's better than that? Winning their tourney!

They won't probably care about full case more than "they cannot have it because of me! ME!".

And we can move on from assholes to "I am not lucky" people.
There are people who are a league below their skill because they cannot make it past the threshold guarding the league above. The people who are too good to be in platinum but too bad to be placed in diamond. These can win platinum tournaments easily but would be destroyed in diamond. And it's not their fault. Maybe diamond league is already full, maybe they are unlucky, maybe the system hates them(I know it hates me that's why I keep losing ).

But hey, they announced more ladder changes, maybe they will have more accurate ladder categories than it's now which solves it and then you could report people who loses to keep lower leagues
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
461 Posts
October 22 2015 10:55 GMT
#14
sounds like a good idea

I undertand about those who hate sandbaggers who stay in low leagues so they can win tourneys. Hard to kick those out though.

Big Red Dog!
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 22 2015 11:19 GMT
#15
On October 22 2015 18:40 LoneYoShi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:
So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard?

Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times


From what I understood from the OP, the trophies will have the level written on it. So I don't think having a case full of "Bronze" trophies will be anything worth bragging about... unless of course your level truly is that of a bronze player. I that case you earned it fair and square, so go crazy ;-)
I mean I'm a diamond player. I could smurf and farm gold tourneys for EZ wins. But so what ? It's not like my "gold trophies" are going to impress anyone at diamond level and above...

As I understand, people are matched by MMR, but tournament league is set by the highest current league of the players. If you are diamond, you can use this to game the system if you

1) get diamond early on in a season
2) dump your MMR to silver level. Your league will still be diamond as you don't get demoted in season (right?)
3) own the silver players that you get matched with from your MMR in tournaments that will be ranked diamond from your league.

Unless I misunderstood how it works of course.
Timelog
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands57 Posts
October 22 2015 11:40 GMT
#16
On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:
So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard?

Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times

Seeing as mass losing on purpose has always been a bannable offense, it seems quite obvious that you should report them for it when you encounter such players.
Terrible Starcraft 2 player, SC2 EU Battle.Net MVP and overall gaming enthousiast.
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
October 22 2015 11:41 GMT
#17
On October 22 2015 20:19 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 18:40 LoneYoShi wrote:
On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:
So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard?

Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times


From what I understood from the OP, the trophies will have the level written on it. So I don't think having a case full of "Bronze" trophies will be anything worth bragging about... unless of course your level truly is that of a bronze player. I that case you earned it fair and square, so go crazy ;-)
I mean I'm a diamond player. I could smurf and farm gold tourneys for EZ wins. But so what ? It's not like my "gold trophies" are going to impress anyone at diamond level and above...

As I understand, people are matched by MMR, but tournament league is set by the highest current league of the players. If you are diamond, you can use this to game the system if you

1) get diamond early on in a season
2) dump your MMR to silver level. Your league will still be diamond as you don't get demoted in season (right?)
3) own the silver players that you get matched with from your MMR in tournaments that will be ranked diamond from your league.

Unless I misunderstood how it works of course.


You are right. I didn't realise this was possible, you are totally right.
Maybe one of the ladder changes Blizz' has in store adresses this issue (the return of demotions during a season ?), otherwise their system is indeed pretty flawed.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 15:49:11
October 22 2015 15:35 GMT
#18
On October 22 2015 09:37 Ansibled wrote:
This map does not fill me with confidence for having a sane map pool.


Well even if this is really the mappool, they already said they are still willing to change it until WCS season 1, if some maps don't work out.

I'm okay with them testing some crazy shit, as long as they are willing to throw out the maps that don't work.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 15:46:54
October 22 2015 15:46 GMT
#19
On October 22 2015 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 18:40 LoneYoShi wrote:
On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:
So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard?

Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times


From what I understood from the OP, the trophies will have the level written on it. So I don't think having a case full of "Bronze" trophies will be anything worth bragging about... unless of course your level truly is that of a bronze player. I that case you earned it fair and square, so go crazy ;-)
I mean I'm a diamond player. I could smurf and farm gold tourneys for EZ wins. But so what ? It's not like my "gold trophies" are going to impress anyone at diamond level and above...

Well there are people who have good feelings from being in lower leagues and dismantling people in that league. And what's better than that? Winning their tourney!

They won't probably care about full case more than "they cannot have it because of me! ME!".

And we can move on from assholes to "I am not lucky" people.
There are people who are a league below their skill because they cannot make it past the threshold guarding the league above. The people who are too good to be in platinum but too bad to be placed in diamond. These can win platinum tournaments easily but would be destroyed in diamond. And it's not their fault. Maybe diamond league is already full, maybe they are unlucky, maybe the system hates them(I know it hates me that's why I keep losing ).

But hey, they announced more ladder changes, maybe they will have more accurate ladder categories than it's now which solves it and then you could report people who loses to keep lower leagues


From what i get, tournament matches count trough ranked play so you would "up" or be "promoted" from ranked play OR tournament making it difficult to mass play in lower league tournaments.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 22 2015 21:59 GMT
#20
On October 23 2015 00:46 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 19:51 deacon.frost wrote:
On October 22 2015 18:40 LoneYoShi wrote:
On October 22 2015 17:13 deacon.frost wrote:
So now I have an incentive to stay a league below my usual standard?

Now more seriously - how will they solve "high level" players losing on purpose to stay in low league to have full case? Or am I the only one who is thinking about this? I have usually only around 2h a day to play sc2 so in my case tournaments are no go, but I met some pretty weird "diamond" players several times


From what I understood from the OP, the trophies will have the level written on it. So I don't think having a case full of "Bronze" trophies will be anything worth bragging about... unless of course your level truly is that of a bronze player. I that case you earned it fair and square, so go crazy ;-)
I mean I'm a diamond player. I could smurf and farm gold tourneys for EZ wins. But so what ? It's not like my "gold trophies" are going to impress anyone at diamond level and above...

Well there are people who have good feelings from being in lower leagues and dismantling people in that league. And what's better than that? Winning their tourney!

They won't probably care about full case more than "they cannot have it because of me! ME!".

And we can move on from assholes to "I am not lucky" people.
There are people who are a league below their skill because they cannot make it past the threshold guarding the league above. The people who are too good to be in platinum but too bad to be placed in diamond. These can win platinum tournaments easily but would be destroyed in diamond. And it's not their fault. Maybe diamond league is already full, maybe they are unlucky, maybe the system hates them(I know it hates me that's why I keep losing ).

But hey, they announced more ladder changes, maybe they will have more accurate ladder categories than it's now which solves it and then you could report people who loses to keep lower leagues


From what i get, tournament matches count trough ranked play so you would "up" or be "promoted" from ranked play OR tournament making it difficult to mass play in lower league tournaments.

You would have to dump a few games on ladder while waiting for scheduled tournaments, or between games for that matter.
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