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ZeromuS
Canada13388 Posts
I don't see why we can't try that? If they are all nerfed - then they have less impact if you miss them. If they are forced to be clicked, then players can make use of it. I really want to hear this korean feedback. I wonder if they dislike the macro clicks or dislike the amount of micro clicks instead, | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On August 30 2015 00:11 ZeromuS wrote: No auto cast but nerfed mechanics. I don't see why we can't try that? Because that would make too much sense ? Because everyone suggested that so they need to show there's a captain on the boat ? I hope this gets tested quick. | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
On August 29 2015 22:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: STOP WITH THOSE SHITTY AUTOCASTS DAMN The chronoboost thing sets my teeth on edge ! No ! No !!!! It doesn't even help newer players because there are situations where chronoboosting probes will be detrimental... This is downright stupid, but I guess we shouldn't expect less retardedness from DK. Stop trying to be clever with the macro mechanics because you've already proved so many times you aren't. Keep them as they were but nerfed. Stop trying to bring your unique snowflake flavor to this game because you are ten times more incompetent than Dustin Browder and that is saying something. wasnt dustin "terrible terrible damage im a fat redneck idiot" browder the guy who came up with warhounds? nothing, really nothing ever ever can be more retarded than warhounds. i wish this game's futures wasnt in the hands of idiots. User was warned for this post | ||
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CptMarvel
France236 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On August 30 2015 00:32 summerloud wrote: wasnt dustin "terrible terrible damage im a fat redneck idiot" browder the guy who came up with warhounds? nothing, really nothing ever ever can be more retarded than warhounds. i wish this game's futures wasnt in the hands of idiots. User was warned for this post Warhounds got scrapped. I'll be happy if autocasts end up in the same bin. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On August 30 2015 00:25 [PkF] Wire wrote: Because that would make too much sense ? Because everyone suggested that so they need to show there's a captain on the boat ? I hope this gets tested quick. It's almost like SC2 devs don't want to copy things directly from the community's suggestions, so they always try to "spice" it up just a little bit, and end up missing the point. Ex- LotV economy, buffing tanks, replacing the colossus with the reaver [read disruptor], and now macro mechanics | ||
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haiyeah
70 Posts
This is about economy pacing. Making the bold choice to go with a completely new economy model is obviously going to change the pace of the game. This is one of the more important factors there is in game design. Now let us consider the fact that community opinion is in stark contradiction through time. People like to complain, and there is always a majority issue being heard. Earlier in LotV one of them was the economy moving too quickly to keep up with. As soon as they took out macro mechanics suddenly everyone was moaning that the game had become too slow, that Terran could not keep up now, etc. Literally a week or so after this huge change Blizzard are ready to take steps to begin balancing around these new ideas. And the changes they bring are to fine tune the economy pacing. They are not trying to appease all the players who want back Macro Mechanics (maybe it is a nice compromise for some). They are trying to give a slight boost to mineral income in the economy. I imagine Protoss will keep chrono on nexus until saturation and start using it for tech later, and we will see Terran much more easily take a third base now (I have to say the range on mule is pretty smart). I played high master T in HotS (year retired) and I have a good feel for the macro of the game (Expand builds only and never practiced strictly 1 - 3 builds, always like 10 - 15, bad I know). I have played every significant patch in the beta, and I can safely say that after getting a feel for when it was "too fast" and now when it is "too slow" these changes should at least reach a middle ground where the pacing of the game actually means players will have other things to do to make up for the loss of MMs. Everyone is way too scared that the game is being ruined. Cries of the game being made terrible due to the importance of worker harass. Then Blizzard go propose a change that does make workers slightly easier to come by, and all anyone can talk about is the fact they removed Macro Mechanics. News flash guys, they were removed in the last patch, and they are still gone. This just improves the economy without foundational changes to it. Fine tuning, so to speak. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On August 30 2015 00:55 aRyuujin wrote: It's almost like SC2 devs don't want to copy things directly from the community's suggestions, so they always try to "spice" it up just a little bit, and end up missing the point. Couldn't have said it better. They don't need to twist things all the time to have us convinced they're the one leading the development. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3416 Posts
I'd rather they experiment with different mining speed for different workers instead of adding another auto-cast feature. | ||
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Niyanyo
Mexico71 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
On August 30 2015 00:05 gh0st wrote: No they are not. They never implemented it publicly, but I guess they tested the adept nerf internally and didn't like it. Which is absurd because it plainly needs some nerf, otherwise PvT will be utterly broken. They must address adepts or prisms. Bringing back a nerfed mule won't fix it. I think it will alleviate it at the very least. More minerals, more production. On August 30 2015 00:11 ZeromuS wrote: No auto cast but nerfed mechanics. I don't see why we can't try that? If they are all nerfed - then they have less impact if you miss them. If they are forced to be clicked, then players can make use of it. I really want to hear this korean feedback. I wonder if they dislike the macro clicks or dislike the amount of micro clicks instead, That might be the next iteration of the changes. From what I understand from all of the stuff blizzard and people invited to the summit are saying that Koreans felt there were a ton of micro clicks, and not enough apm to devote to macro without dumping apm via multiple mules and banking chrono. Zergs definitely had a tough time injecting bc of all of the harassment options the other races have with the increased pace of the game. | ||
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Hier
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Archeon
3253 Posts
I like the mule radius change as well, mb they should buff orbital flight speed to make it viable. Flying industrial sector sounds somewhat cool and back to the time where terrans had some steampunk elements. I agree that queen auto-inject is redundant though. That would have needed a bigger rebalancing, something along the lines of making queens a lot cheaper, take inject away and let hatches spawn larvae faster. Tbh I never was a big fan of the macro mechanics, they dont add decisions but only apm-checks. It's boring for viewers and boring for players as well. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
For example that Zealot charge thing. Do you seriously need to internally test it in actual fights to determine it's too strong? You just need to use your eyes and look at the 3 and the 0 to figure out it's overpowered, no testing needed. Disappointed with the macro mechanic changes. I hate autocast. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
On August 30 2015 01:52 Shikyo wrote: To me it feels like they just roll the dice on what to change without thinking about it at all and then revert most of the stuff when the community is angry(for a reason). For example that Zealot charge thing. Do you seriously need to internally test it in actual fights to determine it's too strong? You just need to use your eyes and look at the 3 and the 0 to figure out it's overpowered, no testing needed. Disappointed with the macro mechanic changes. I hate autocast. If you read the post, there was a bug that caused the dmg to not be applied in testing. They fixed the bug before the patch but didn't test the change to see if it was still an appropriate number. They owned up to their mistake, so I'm not sure whats up with the outrage. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16648 Posts
On August 30 2015 01:46 Hier wrote: Well, we had Archon Mode. Now there's single player Archon Mode! a ladder of lone individual players versus 2-player archons would be a blast. i play 2v1s with my friends who usually only play the campaign or skirmish and its great fun. | ||
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SiorasSC
23 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15897 Posts
So zerg other than the other races doesn't have to make units constantly but to balance that out they had to constantly hit injects. Making inject autocast removes that burden from zerg players which completely automates their production. They don't have to worry about hitting production/inject cycles and can just make all units as once. What that means is the only thing zerg has to worry about is making workers constantly the rest is automatic. In other words: a gold/ platin zerg can max out at the same time as soO. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16648 Posts
On August 30 2015 02:13 SiorasSC wrote: The thing with this community is that most of the people just dont like change and then gives it no chance at all and regardless of the outcome they overlook the bads and just says negative things about it.. it'd help if more people played a different style of RTS like say C&C or CoH. | ||
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