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WARNING:This is a long poll because I think that if you love Starcraft you should be willing to sacrifice some of your time answering these questions so that Blizzard and others like ESL or Dreamhack have a better idea of what the community is thinking about LOTV. Please be patient.
So, after hours of reading TeamLiquid threads about LOTV and after playing the Beta a lot of questions have been raised in my mind. Reading through all of it I´ve noticed that the community is split apart in their opinion about the game, probably even more than ever. I have decided to launch a series of polls so we can have a clear view of the overall thoughts of the community regarding LOTV.
After reading the last Community Feedback Update, Its been made clear that soon the team working on Void will start paying more attention to balance rather than general design, so this might be the last call to give Blizzard and more specifically David Kim feedback about what we think the general direction our beloved game is following.
Before starting the poll I would like to encourage everyone you know that plays starcraft to answer the questions exposed below. A lot of these have been done already but they are either outdated or the number of people that answer them is small.
Poll: Name the race you play In LOTVZerg (151) 33% Terran (124) 27% Protoss (120) 26% Random (63) 14% 458 total votes Your vote: Name the race you play In LOTV (Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Random
Poll: Do you like the general direction the game is taking?Yes (308) 69% No (139) 31% 447 total votes Your vote: Do you like the general direction the game is taking? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Poll: Like the current LOTV econ model or would you like to see a change?It needs a redesign (Not meaning DH or similar, just a redesign) (286) 68% Keep it as it is. (133) 32% 419 total votes Your vote: Like the current LOTV econ model or would you like to see a change? (Vote): Keep it as it is.
(Vote): It needs a redesign (Not meaning DH or similar, just a redesign)
Poll: How do you feel about the 12 worker start?I like it. (247) 54% Not at 6 but neither at 12. (139) 30% Keep it at 6. (72) 16% 458 total votes Your vote: How do you feel about the 12 worker start? (Vote): I like it.
(Vote): Keep it at 6.
(Vote): Not at 6 but neither at 12.
Poll: About the pace of the game, how do you think it is?Very Fast compared to HOTS. (305) 74% Slightly faster than HOTS. (94) 23% Normal, like HOTS. (12) 3% 411 total votes Your vote: About the pace of the game, how do you think it is? (Vote): Normal, like HOTS.
(Vote): Slightly faster than HOTS.
(Vote): Very Fast compared to HOTS.
Poll: Do you like the pace of the game?Yes (260) 63% No (154) 37% 414 total votes Your vote: Do you like the pace of the game? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Poll: What do you think is the weakest race in LOTV currently?Protoss (281) 76% Terran (48) 13% Zerg (40) 11% 369 total votes Your vote: What do you think is the weakest race in LOTV currently? (Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
Poll: And the strongest?Zerg (197) 54% Terran (147) 40% Protoss (20) 5% 364 total votes Your vote: And the strongest? (Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
Poll: Overall, are you happy with Blizz´s reaction to the feedback provided?Yes, im very happy with Blizzard, they hear us and react accordingly. (221) 61% No, im very unhappy with Blizzards response when it comes to fixing issues we come up with. (143) 39% 364 total votes Your vote: Overall, are you happy with Blizz´s reaction to the feedback provided? (Vote): No, im very unhappy with Blizzards response when it comes to fixing issues we come up with.
(Vote): Yes, im very happy with Blizzard, they hear us and react accordingly.
Poll: When it comes to gameplay, do you think the game is too volatile?Yes, I think the game is too volatile. (237) 69% No, I think games are not volatile. (105) 31% 342 total votes Your vote: When it comes to gameplay, do you think the game is too volatile? (Vote): No, I think games are not volatile.
(Vote): Yes, I think the game is too volatile.
Poll: Excited for LOTV?Yes, very. (229) 56% So,so. (110) 27% No, not much. (70) 17% 409 total votes Your vote: Excited for LOTV? (Vote): Yes, very.
(Vote): No, not much.
(Vote): So,so.
Poll: Excited for Archon Mode?Yes, Its going to be great. (198) 49% Not much, I prefer standard 1v1. (134) 33% So,so. (69) 17% 401 total votes Your vote: Excited for Archon Mode? (Vote): Yes, Its going to be great.
(Vote): Not much, I prefer standard 1v1.
(Vote): So,so.
Poll: About the macro mechanics, how do you feel about them?Yes, remove them completely. (154) 37% Tone them down a bit. (138) 33% Dont touch them at all (129) 31% 421 total votes Your vote: About the macro mechanics, how do you feel about them? (Vote): Yes, remove them completely.
(Vote): Tone them down a bit.
(Vote): Dont touch them at all
Poll: Where does, In your opinion, the beauty of starcraft lie mainly?Strategy, tactics and thinking. (257) 68% Macro Mechanics. (63) 17% Something different. (53) 14% Buil Orders. (6) 2% 379 total votes Your vote: Where does, In your opinion, the beauty of starcraft lie mainly? (Vote): Macro Mechanics.
(Vote): Strategy, tactics and thinking.
(Vote): Buil Orders.
(Vote): Something different.
Poll: Is blizzard focusing too much on the spectator rather than the player?Yes, they are focusing a lot on the viewership. (284) 82% No, they mainly think about gameplay rather than viewership. (63) 18% 347 total votes Your vote: Is blizzard focusing too much on the spectator rather than the player? (Vote): Yes, they are focusing a lot on the viewership.
(Vote): No, they mainly think about gameplay rather than viewership.
Poll: On which should they focus more?Players more. (317) 89% Viewers more. (38) 11% 355 total votes Your vote: On which should they focus more? (Vote): Players more.
(Vote): Viewers more.
Poll: Finally, Will you buy LOTV even if you dont like the multiplayer?Yes, I will. (280) 68% No, I wont buy it. (70) 17% I dont know. (45) 11% Other answer. (17) 4% 412 total votes Your vote: Finally, Will you buy LOTV even if you dont like the multiplayer? (Vote): Yes, I will.
(Vote): I dont know.
(Vote): No, I wont buy it.
(Vote): Other answer.
Thanks for answering the questions if you made it, Im sure you love Starcraft and want to see it grow healthily. I hope enough people will do this poll so Blizzard can know if they are going the right way.
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I miss a middle road on Overall, are you happy with Blizz´s reaction to the feedback provided?, e.g. they are doing much better than before, but they could do even better.
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I answered all questions except for which race I think is strongest/weakest (because quite frankly I don't think anyone I have faced nor myself have properly figured out how to play with the new units, how they interact with each other, what units you can tech to safely at what points in time etc.) and what I think about macro mechanics because none of the presented options represent my opinion: I am indifferent about macro mechanics. To me macro mechanics does not make the game what it is and the removal of macro mechanics will change the game but will not change what the game is.
edit: also as the above poster I feel a lot of polls deserve more options to make it less of a binary choice, a lot of polls seem like they are basically:
what would you rather do?
a) blow up blizzard HQ
b) marry david kim
there should be at least 4 available options to each question, 5 if it is likely that some people simply don't care about it.
more in the style of:
do you agree with [BLANK]?
1 - Do not agree at all
2
3 - neutral (omit if it is important to know what way people lean, but definitely have this if it is likely that some people simply don't care about [BLANK])
4
5 - Completely agree
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I agree with needing a middle road on the "does Blizz hear us" question. I voted "very happy" because I'm more happy than unhappy, but definitely not very happy.
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There needs to be more balanced answers to a few of these questions. For example, what if somebody thinks the races are quite balanced, there is no option to say that. Or what if we like Archon mode but we want to see it become even better.
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Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
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On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can u pls stop this balance whine thing. In every thread u do that. Holy... pls...
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Im sorry for not adding those options, did not think about it to be honest but I understand your points.
Again, my apologies, I tried to keep the questions as balanced as I could.
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On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Least there is agreement for once which race is the shittiest.
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On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion.
Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine.
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I miss the option "I want to test buffing macro mechanics".
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On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine.
Redbull tournament... 3 TvT finals.
Im contributing by saying that some changes are need it. To all races... from 8 gate adept all ins to mass carriers... mass cylones etc.
Also Zerg won alot during the Ravager period at the start of beta, before it was nerfed. After that it all whent downhill.
On August 16 2015 23:09 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Least there is agreement for once which race is the shittiest.
Yes with the exception of all ins, protoss lacks alot... maybe the disruptor change... by turning it into a reaver like unit will fix alot... not to mention the buff to defensive warp ins.
In theory protoss should be able to expand and defend alot better.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Good idea for a poll, but some really poorly worded and divisive questions.
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Good idea for a poll, but some really poorly worded and divisive questions.
Your words hurt me, but you are right. My most sincere apologies.
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If only the people who liked macro and mechanics didnt leave the game like 3 years ago
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I voted in most of the polls, but this isn't remotely helpful as any kind of statistical measure of how happy/unhappy the general population is with LotV.
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On August 16 2015 23:22 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine. Redbull tournament... 3 TvT finals. .
Redbull is ARCHON mode and is completely irrelevant for this whole thing. 1v1 is the main mode that is used in WCS/GSL/SSL/BlizzCon and guess what? Zerg is the strongest in 1v1 right now.
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On August 16 2015 23:06 Phaenoman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can u pls stop this balance whine thing. In every thread u do that. Holy... pls...
It's bad--and annoying--and he probably means well, but this behavior will stop if we stop feeding into it.
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On August 16 2015 23:22 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine. Redbull tournament... 3 TvT finals. Im contributing by saying that some changes are need it. To all races... from 8 gate adept all ins to mass carriers... mass cylones etc. Also Zerg won alot during the Ravager period at the start of beta, before it was nerfed. After that it all whent downhill. Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:09 HellHound wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Least there is agreement for once which race is the shittiest. Yes with the exception of all ins, protoss lacks alot... maybe the disruptor change... by turning it into a reaver like unit will fix alot... not to mention the buff to defensive warp ins. In theory protoss should be able to expand and defend alot better.
Nerchio beat me last week 3-0 in finals, what the hell are you talking about?
Archon mode qualifiers were 2 Korean T progamers vs no two Z progamers, it was always good Z with his friend or gf so your argument is completely invalid. Not to mention Archon mode =/= 1v1.
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On August 16 2015 23:09 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Least there is agreement for once which race is the shittiest.
Can agree that the Adept is the overall strongest new unit? Cyber tech. High HP (with an HP upgrade). Bonus to light. Ranged. Fast moving. Invulnerable teleporting. Fairly inexpensive. Seems a bit much, no? Mass Adept is incredibly difficult to deal with in TvP. That, and dealing with carrier play is extremely difficult as well.
Maybe unlock Ghosts at tech lab? Remove bonus to light on Adept? Somethings got to give on this one, I think.
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On August 17 2015 00:25 Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:22 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine. Redbull tournament... 3 TvT finals. Im contributing by saying that some changes are need it. To all races... from 8 gate adept all ins to mass carriers... mass cylones etc. Also Zerg won alot during the Ravager period at the start of beta, before it was nerfed. After that it all whent downhill. On August 16 2015 23:09 HellHound wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Least there is agreement for once which race is the shittiest. Yes with the exception of all ins, protoss lacks alot... maybe the disruptor change... by turning it into a reaver like unit will fix alot... not to mention the buff to defensive warp ins. In theory protoss should be able to expand and defend alot better. Nerchio beat me last week 3-0 in finals, what the hell are you talking about? Archon mode qualifiers were 2 Korean T progamers vs no two Z progamers, it was always good Z with his friend or gf so your argument is completely invalid. Not to mention Archon mode =/= 1v1.
I'd strongly encourage you just stop talking with him. He's on every thread QQ'ing about Zerg being terrible. Moving on ...
Archon mode definitely does not = 1v1. I think it's a whole new monster, it's exciting, and frankly, I think it will revitalize the spectator value of SC2. I'm very excited about it! Plus, I now prefer playing Archon over traditional 1v1.
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Love watching Archon mode it is great fun to see. Terran gains strongly from it as the race is micro intensive but it is hard to say who is strongest in Archon as I think only one Protoss team applied.
In 1v1 I agree with the poll - Zerg is strongest, followed by Terran, but man - those stupid protoss all-ins and carrier maxes. If they do not fix the Adept then at least unlock the Ghost at tech lab - I saw some Adept pushes held with Ghosts EMPing, letting the Marines do the damage needed.
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On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can you please fix your whine?
Code s terrans who are practicing legacy of the void happen to be beating non-code s players/players who aren't practicing. To you, I guess just seems ironic its that way. In your mind, you think they should loose to zergs regardless of how good they are. Please some at least time him out.
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On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine.
"He's advocating for his race (which isn't mine) so lets have him banned!!"
Some of his suggestions are really useful, and he is quite right about Terran being the strongest at the moment. Zerg feels weakest to me, and yet, they are at the top of the poll, which is confusing.
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for Where does, In your opinion, the beauty of starcraft lie mainly. can you add all the above. because i find great macro beautiful as well. I mean i did choose chose strategy and tactics but wouldve been happier for an all of the about.
because atleast for me say watching bombers macro is insanely beautiful or some other players with there never ending parade pushes or swarms of lings form soo or the good old macro toss of creator.Yes a nice strat can win you games but if you macro well you can stop just about anything.
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Pretty cool poll, one of the better ones I have seen lately! Thanks for sharing.
On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Your posting and bad have a direct and positive correlation
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On August 17 2015 12:03 parkufarku wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine. "He's advocating for his race (which isn't mine) so lets have him banned!!" Some of his suggestions are really useful, and he is quite right about Terran being the strongest at the moment. Zerg feels weakest to me, and yet, they are at the top of the poll, which is confusing.
Whenever I see a post from ZergLingShepherd1 I know I can immediately ignore it because it'll be about how hard zerg is and how unfair mech is. He's like the zerg Avilo.
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they are improving steadily, and i'm actually excited for the next patch. this is one of the few times since beta start that i am actually interested in a patch. i've been sucked into diablo 3 since almost season 1, and this is something that could pull me away.
i hope they are still open to economy changes. the changes they made were to the start and finish line, but not the course in between, or RATE of minerals. idk what will be best for the game, but i think the economy could stand to recieve further improvements.
something i really want to see tested is miss chance when shooting uphill, exactly like brood war, and even dota 2. if dota can be what as successful as it is and have miss chance, why can't starcraft? i also feel this will create defensive buffs and offensive nerfs simply by existing. high ground advantage is one of the final missing pieces imo, and i would like to see it tested, even if not implemented.
i wouldn't have said this 2 weeks ago, but so far, so good.
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Another thread acting like strategy is a separate thing from mechanics. No wonders blizz can try to turn sc2 in a pseudo-moba with thinking like that..
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dynamic apm allocation (between different games, players, builds, etc) and the stress that it brings is a big part of the fun and difficulty of starcraft, so i dont like the recent changes. on a separate note, rejecting DH was the opposite of the direction that sc2 would need to go in to "bring me back as a competitive player," it's simply too slow and too unrewarding for different players and strategies. i don't understand why the dev team thinks complex economic systems like apm and unlimited worker caps won't bring more complexity.. in the end, blizzard fails to understand that it's not their game that they're making (in terms of strategy). blizzard's place, imo, isn't to say "damn a 2 gate zeal rush would be cool to add in LOTV," they should focus more on letting the players play their own game.. SC2 feels very pigeon-holed compared to scbw as it is now, although it felt more freeflowing back in WoL
edit~ and on top of that the client is still has a ton of issues that have been in since WoL beta, along side a total lack of bnet features that we had in WC3... it just isnt a complete or even good experience
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On August 17 2015 17:18 fenix404 wrote:
they are improving steadily, and i'm actually excited for the next patch. this is one of the few times since beta start that i am actually interested in a patch. i've been sucked into diablo 3 since almost season 1, and this is something that could pull me away.
i hope they are still open to economy changes. the changes they made were to the start and finish line, but not the course in between, or RATE of minerals. idk what will be best for the game, but i think the economy could stand to recieve further improvements.
something i really want to see tested is miss chance when shooting uphill, exactly like brood war, and even dota 2. if dota can be what as successful as it is and have miss chance, why can't starcraft? i also feel this will create defensive buffs and offensive nerfs simply by existing. high ground advantage is one of the final missing pieces imo, and i would like to see it tested, even if not implemented.
i wouldn't have said this 2 weeks ago, but so far, so good.
High ground advantage can be done by using other techniques than luck. For example Spellcross(yeah, I know, TBS) had a +1 vision and +1 attack range for every level above ground. In SC2 we don't have hills/mountains as it was in Spellcross(I think the highest mountains had 5 or 6 levels(yes, +5 vision/attack range and yes on these hills/mountains the enemy was often found), not sure, long time), we have only 1 level of high ground. Even though having a +1( the number can change) vision and attack range(and skill range) can be devastating. Imagine a siege tank with +1 attack range when defending a blink all in  Now you cannot blink in the base so freely(also marines/marauders can shoot further)
(And imagine siege tank abusing high ground position on Lost Temple )
This bonus range would not affect air units(their range is final), not sure about colossus...
Edit> Actually we have more levels of high ground, usually mains are 2 levels up from the ground under the natural. Which could lead to a siege tank having +2 range in the main vs units under the natural ramp... hmmm
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The poll choices in the question quoted below assumes macro mechanics isnt a part of strategy. I therefore think this question is misleading and inaccurate.
Poll: Where does, In your opinion, the beauty of starcraft lie mainly?
A missing option I would of liked is, all the parts summed is the beauty.
Thankyou.
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I can't believe that everyone think that "fast pace is great, faster pace is better". We all have seen what happened to Formula1. All cars drove faster -> no back and forth anymore (as much as before). Prime example is Imola, during Alonso championships time. fastest lap between 3 years was 9sec difference but around zero car overhaul at last year, everyone just drove successive, while the first year had alot overhauls.
Pretty much the same in sc2. Its already too fast paced in WoL and HotS. Less speed but more in detail/depth would be a lot better.
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> there should be at least 4 available options to each question, 5 if it is likely that some
> people simply don't care about it.
/THIS
I think Blizzard is concentrating on Viewers more ... not completely, because Archon and 1on1 is a lot of fun to PLAY. but that's a good thing. The questions sounds like it's a bad thing.
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A good poll but definitely need more choices in the poll.. It's great that it is simple but it does not give a good representation of what people want/feel in most cases.
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Poll: Is blizzard focusing too much on the spectator rather than the player?
I find this question is not phrased very well.
It's not just spectator vs player. Player is a spectator in some ways too.
Blizzard wanting micro to be more visible for example is going to impress players who can see it happening.
That goes for macro mechanics etc.
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Why are there no don't know / don't care options in the poll... some polls I did not vote for this reason
Also, my biggest gripe is that I want to see more movement based micro (stutter step / surrounds) and less ability based micro, which should be limited to a few units for each race
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On August 17 2015 00:12 KatatoniK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:22 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine. Redbull tournament... 3 TvT finals. . Redbull is ARCHON mode and is completely irrelevant for this whole thing. 1v1 is the main mode that is used in WCS/GSL/SSL/BlizzCon and guess what? Zerg is the strongest in 1v1 right now.
All the same, watching tank drops controlled by two different people is hilarious to watch, and seems almost overpowered.
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How does everyone feel so far regarding the quality of the games being played in LOTV? There isn't a huge player base for it, and not a lot of tournaments. I primarily watch SC these days, (if "these days" means since 2012) so the overall gameplay isn't quite as critical to me personally, as the quality of games.
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On August 17 2015 16:56 ThunderBum wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2015 12:03 parkufarku wrote:On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine. "He's advocating for his race (which isn't mine) so lets have him banned!!" Some of his suggestions are really useful, and he is quite right about Terran being the strongest at the moment. Zerg feels weakest to me, and yet, they are at the top of the poll, which is confusing. Whenever I see a post from ZergLingShepherd1 I know I can immediately ignore it because it'll be about how hard zerg is and how unfair mech is. He's like the zerg Avilo.
No one is bad as Avilo. Avilo religiously denies any sort of nerfs to his race while advocates for his race when T is dominating. This guy isn't nearly half as bad.
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Really wish blizzard would send polls like these out to players biweekly or at least monthly, with comment options.
If they game isn't what the players like we will continue to see fallout and disinterest
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On August 18 2015 01:22 parkufarku wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2015 16:56 ThunderBum wrote:On August 17 2015 12:03 parkufarku wrote:On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine. "He's advocating for his race (which isn't mine) so lets have him banned!!" Some of his suggestions are really useful, and he is quite right about Terran being the strongest at the moment. Zerg feels weakest to me, and yet, they are at the top of the poll, which is confusing. Whenever I see a post from ZergLingShepherd1 I know I can immediately ignore it because it'll be about how hard zerg is and how unfair mech is. He's like the zerg Avilo. No one is bad as Avilo. Avilo religiously denies any sort of nerfs to his race while advocates for his race when T is dominating. This guy isn't nearly half as bad.
The difference is that ZLS1's suggestions are on TL, and Avilo isn't on here as frequently. ZLS1 if you're reading this, have you considered posting on Blizzard's forums? I remember both Nony and me at separate points reminding people that discussing "game balance" or "game design" is better on Blizzard's forums, since TL is a community site.
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On August 17 2015 00:32 TimeSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:09 HellHound wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Least there is agreement for once which race is the shittiest. Can agree that the Adept is the overall strongest new unit? Cyber tech. High HP (with an HP upgrade). Bonus to light. Ranged. Fast moving. Invulnerable teleporting. Fairly inexpensive. Seems a bit much, no? Mass Adept is incredibly difficult to deal with in TvP. That, and dealing with carrier play is extremely difficult as well. Maybe unlock Ghosts at tech lab? Remove bonus to light on Adept? Somethings got to give on this one, I think.
Really can't agree more with your post, Adepts are ridiculously overpowered, it doesn't take a rocket scientist or mathematician to realize this.
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On August 17 2015 00:32 TimeSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 23:09 HellHound wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Least there is agreement for once which race is the shittiest. Can agree that the Adept is the overall strongest new unit? Cyber tech. High HP (with an HP upgrade). Bonus to light. Ranged. Fast moving. Invulnerable teleporting. Fairly inexpensive. Seems a bit much, no? Mass Adept is incredibly difficult to deal with in TvP. That, and dealing with carrier play is extremely difficult as well. Maybe unlock Ghosts at tech lab? Remove bonus to light on Adept? Somethings got to give on this one, I think.
You know Terran got the liberator right
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You are both wrong, cyclones are where it is at. 
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Poll: Where does, In your opinion, the beauty of starcraft lie mainly?
Where is the answer "postioning on a map". Yes you can argue "we have tactics and strategies", whatever - this is different. We had A LOT OF positioning at BW and we have ALMOST ZERO at LotV.
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Protoss is so weak right now like srsly i dont even want to play since my life depends on my opoenent fucking up.. ;/
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On August 18 2015 02:31 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2015 00:32 TimeSpiral wrote:On August 16 2015 23:09 HellHound wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Least there is agreement for once which race is the shittiest. Can agree that the Adept is the overall strongest new unit? Cyber tech. High HP (with an HP upgrade). Bonus to light. Ranged. Fast moving. Invulnerable teleporting. Fairly inexpensive. Seems a bit much, no? Mass Adept is incredibly difficult to deal with in TvP. That, and dealing with carrier play is extremely difficult as well. Maybe unlock Ghosts at tech lab? Remove bonus to light on Adept? Somethings got to give on this one, I think. You know Terran got the liberator right
Yep.
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I just want to point out that macro and mechanics take a lot of thinking too. planning how to execute them, what hotkeys to use, when to go through your cycle etc etc etc is a big part of the beauty that is sc2.
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Blizz can shit in a CD case and I'll still pay $40 for it.
That said, even though I play Protoss and I feel it's the weakest of the three rn, I've got hope. Protoss was ridiculously UP before they took out the Warhound, but then we got the Golden Age of Protoss!
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The poll should have had the question: Is the race you play horribly broken, wildly under-powered, leaving the only plausible explanation for the occasional win to your epic-underdog, vast superiority, and stalwart mastery of SC2?
Results:
Yes = 100%
No = 0%
Just sayin' ...
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On August 18 2015 04:07 TimeSpiral wrote:
The poll should have had the question: Is the race you play horribly broken, wildly under-powered, leaving the only plausible explanation for the occasional win to your epic-underdog, vast superiority, and stalwart mastery of SC2?
Results:
Yes = 100%
No = 0%
Just sayin' ...
From the polls
114 Zerg players, 31 think Zerg is weakest. Hm.... Nope. Maybe don't conclude from your whiny-self to others.
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"Where does, In your opinion, the beauty of starcraft lie mainly?"
I suppose micro is "Something different".
But i voted for strategy anyway.
@LuckyGnomTV: im quite sure positioning count as tactics
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I think the two most important things are at the end :
- focus on players instead of viewers. Make a game first, with the SC brand it will turn into an e-sport without an effort.
- why are we doing this anyway, we're all going to buy that shit 
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On August 18 2015 05:02 Superbanana wrote:"Where does, In your opinion, the beauty of starcraft lie mainly?" I suppose micro is "Something different". But i voted for strategy anyway. @LuckyGnomTV: im quite sure positioning count as tactics
micro is mechanics if anything.
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I just want forcefields gone. they hinder mapdesign and race design so much. Im still nog a big fan of protoss in lotv even though things have been changed quite a lot.
Forcefields is such a boring no-brainer part of the gameplay. it promotes everything thats bad with sc2 (deathballs and lack of countermicro).
I dont understand why blizzard are so stuck in "one unit to counter them all" kind of thinking. We wanted stronger gateway units so they mash all the GW-strength into an Adept rather than buffing zealots and stalkers with TC buffs to the point where they can trade efficiently without having to deathball.
Zerg needed better anti-air, now instead of giving queens a speedbuff at hive-tech, removing corruptors and replace them with scourge or buffing their attackspeed so PDDS wont fuck with them and give hydras a healthbuff at hive they introduce the "KILL ALL THE AAAIIIIR"-parasitic bomb.
This is yet again a mark of bad design.
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On August 18 2015 01:59 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2015 01:22 parkufarku wrote:On August 17 2015 16:56 ThunderBum wrote:On August 17 2015 12:03 parkufarku wrote:On August 16 2015 23:10 Beastyqt wrote:On August 16 2015 23:03 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote:
Its so funny seeing people say Zerg is the strongest when all torunaments are mostly TvT finals or a Terran winning.
Can someone seriously ban him already? He is just whining like a 5 year old about balance in every single thread without contributing anything to the discussion. Zerg won as many Lycan tournaments for example as Terran did, I don't know where you get these "stats" from, oh yeah they are made up because that's what you do in every thread, you make up random shit and whine. "He's advocating for his race (which isn't mine) so lets have him banned!!" Some of his suggestions are really useful, and he is quite right about Terran being the strongest at the moment. Zerg feels weakest to me, and yet, they are at the top of the poll, which is confusing. Whenever I see a post from ZergLingShepherd1 I know I can immediately ignore it because it'll be about how hard zerg is and how unfair mech is. He's like the zerg Avilo. No one is bad as Avilo. Avilo religiously denies any sort of nerfs to his race while advocates for his race when T is dominating. This guy isn't nearly half as bad. The difference is that ZLS1's suggestions are on TL, and Avilo isn't on here as frequently. ZLS1 if you're reading this, have you considered posting on Blizzard's forums? I remember both Nony and me at separate points reminding people that discussing "game balance" or "game design" is better on Blizzard's forums, since TL is a community site.
He comes from the Official Bnet Forums that is the big problem here. Thankfully TL doesn´t tolerate constant balance whining.
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I've played 300 games this season, all mech, and I'm really loving LotV. I know I'm going to be near alone here, but I voted Protoss as the strongest race, at least vs me since I mech. Adepts early game are sick, and I don't think anything can beat protoss air late game. Just my opinion or feeling. If I played bio I'm sure I'd feel a little differently, but I honestly can't say.
I like the economy, I'm a little sad about the removal of macro changes, but I'll at least give it a shot.
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On August 18 2015 05:40 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
I just want forcefields gone. they hinder mapdesign and race design so much. Im still nog a big fan of protoss in lotv even though things have been changed quite a lot.
Forcefields is such a boring no-brainer part of the gameplay. it promotes everything thats bad with sc2 (deathballs and lack of countermicro).
I dont understand why blizzard are so stuck in "one unit to counter them all" kind of thinking. We wanted stronger gateway units so they mash all the GW-strength into an Adept rather than buffing zealots and stalkers with TC buffs to the point where they can trade efficiently without having to deathball.
Zerg needed better anti-air, now instead of giving queens a speedbuff at hive-tech, removing corruptors and replace them with scourge or buffing their attackspeed so PDDS wont fuck with them and give hydras a healthbuff at hive they introduce the "KILL ALL THE AAAIIIIR"-parasitic bomb.
This is yet again a mark of bad design.
I don't see a problem with forcefield to be honest, this is not Wings of Liberty anymore. The introduction of speedmedivacs in HoTS was already a nice way to save units and play around forcefields for terrans, and now with the ravager Zerg have both a unit that can attack above the forcefield and destroy them, then in late game there is the lurkers.
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At this point I do not plan on playing LotV multiplayer. I have not had much fun in the beta so far.
I don't like any of the new units except for the Lurker (for obvious reasons.) I absolutely hate the Disruptor from concept to implementation.
I have already pre-purchased the game though and I will play its campaign and then keep it on my shelf to complete my Starcraft collection, but right now I have very little faith in the way the game is shaping up.
It wasn't like this when I first saw HoTS. There was some disappointment or confusion with some things throughout the beta process but I felt in general like the game was going to be an improvement from the minute I played the demo at MLG.
This beta process however, has left me feeling disheartened. It feels like Blizz is trying too hard to force certain playstyles just to make the game more fun to watch, and that comes at the expense of making the game very unfun to play. I would've hoped by now they would've learned their lesson in this regard.
With an official release date already announced, the game already available for pre-purchase (yes I know I am part of the problem in this regard) and they are just now beginning testing on a brand new MASSIVE change to the game's core macro mechanics? It just feels like at this point the game can't possibly be ready with the time they have left to finish it.
I am not excited, I am worried. I don't like feeling this way.
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Imo, I really think the question on the beauty of Starcraft is poorly worded.
The real beauty of the game, is not only being able to choose a strategy according to the map and/or what your oponent is doing, but also to have the macro and micro to back it up.
Hell even I can copy builds and strats from pros, but I wont do much with them if I dont have their mechanics.
It really lacks an option "All of the above"
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