Legacy of the Void Feedback Update – June 17 - Page 6

On June 18 2015 17:52 [F_]aths wrote:
Let's assume, force fields get cut and Protoss gets rebalanced. Then other things which are disliked, get into the focus. There will be always some things which are disliked.

On June 18 2015 17:48 Bannt wrote:


This is a good sentiment. It would make a lot of people better gamers even outside of the context lotv design.

On June 18 2015 18:28 [F_]aths wrote:

Would the game really improved if you remove / change anything solely based upon what is considered imbalanced / not fun / bad gameplay by some vocal community parts?

On June 18 2015 06:26 Solar424 wrote:

But if you compare it to other eSports is absolutely pathetic how Blizzard refuses to acknowledge the community and pro players. Take Brood Lord/Infestor: the unit composition that destroyed interest in SC2. Despite massive community and professional outcry for over 6 months, Blizzard did absolutely nothing to stop it until the damage to SC2's reputation was already done. Now, look at Dota 2. When a hero has been picked more often than it should, it is generally nerfed or changed to compensate. There will be times where a hero is picked for months on end, but it still gets nerfed in the next patch. Just look at how rarely SC2 is patched for balance compared to other games: LoL is patched every 2 weeks or so, and Dota about 3 times a year (but those patches impact nearly every hero in the game). SC2 has been patched twice in the past year, both of which only affect 3-4 units. Every time we hear from Blizzard, its some bullshit about how much they are trying to make the game amazing, even though almost the entire design team is working on the Campaign or Heroes.
What's going to happen is LotV will be released, the hype will last for a few months, and SC2 will descend out of the top 5 eSports in the world, all the while Blizzard will keep feeding us the same empty comments they have for the past five years. Blizzard has everything in its power to make LotV amazing, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

On June 18 2015 11:42 Plexa wrote:
The frustration in the community is not without merit. Look at any other competitive game and you see the developers making moves that please the community. Be it Riot with their super-active communication with the community or Valve launching a (functional) custom game system. Instead we get statements like this. I've channeled a lot of my life into BW and now SC2 but now whenever I think about LotV I just feel dejected.

On June 18 2015 06:31 -Kyo- wrote:
Here's a suggestion, fix protoss. @_@;; It's so frustrating to play. No one plays LotV because the gameplay is just... not fun/entertaining @_@;;

On June 18 2015 18:42 Bjarne wrote:


exactly

Though i dont think LotV is worse than HotS, blizzard should listen to the community und react faster.
Compared to valve and riot they do poor.

And PLEASE dont create such wierd units like the oracle or the liberator.
These are no units of any military system, they are just crazy ideas of game designers (Toss needs harrassment, so here is your harrassment unit.) Better create units according to usual military concepts.
- Terran needs something between Viking and BC, something like a corvette or a gunboat. They also need a groundbased anti-air. Thor is a joke anti-air and marine is not anti-air-specialist.
- Toss would be nice to have some more "dark"-units, like a dark archon again or some kind of a dark-stalker, dark-phoenix
- Zerg would be nice to have "broodlords" like an upgrade for overseers/overlords, that slowly produce Lings/Roaches/Hydras for free. This "Swarm"-concept would be much better than swarmhost-like units.

There still could be good arguments in favour of it, even though I am not liking them. It could be that force fields provide the uncertainty required to keep matches tense even if a player is on the losing side, maybe he can get back with some very good force fields or maybe the other player can lose his lead if he builds sentries but places forcefield badly.

On June 18 2015 19:06 virpi wrote:

This would be utterly terrible. Free units are very problematic when it comes to the general economic flow of a game. Once a map is split up, free units are by far the most cost-efficient way of endless army trading. The only thing that counters free units is energy, because it doesn't cost money and gets automatically replenished over time. (which is why SH vs. Raven-Mech was so terrible)
While I agree on the fact that zerg doesn't feel as swarmish as it did in BW, there must be other ways to achieve that goal. Basically, you would have to redesign the core units (hydra, roach) in terms of supply, HP and dps. As this would mean a very fundamental change, I highly doubt that it might ever happen.

On June 18 2015 17:18 HomeWorld wrote:


Wait , what? Pointing out something that really doesn't make any sense at all, is now an insult?

On June 18 2015 10:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I'm surprised that Blizzard even bothered to reply considering the fact that so much of the criticism comes from toxic chronic whingers who won't be happy not matter what Blizzard says or does.

On June 18 2015 08:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:
To both previous comments : do you really think what SC2 needs atm is yes men telling Blizzard how LotV is going awesomely and how excited we are to play it ?

It's precisely because the game has been "fucking amazing" and delivered awesome moments for five years that some of us worry about the direction taken and the blatant stagnation of the state of the beta ever since release. And to be frank, that message from DK deserved shit and anger. At first I thought the OP was trolling.

On June 18 2015 19:25 CptMarvel wrote:
"We are entitled to NOTHING", yeah right. We don't pay for the game, we don't make Blizzard's reputation, we're not the target audience that needs to be pleased.
Do they make videogames for the sake of it? They stopped doing that when they became a successful company. Of course we're entitled to something, to everything in fact.

On June 18 2015 19:17 ShambhalaWar wrote:


The think he means calling the dev team stupid and leveling sarcasm at them.

I would agree that the response from blizzard in this thread is a positive response and really something that the community wants (more open clear communication between all parties), and I find it kind of disgusting that many people respond with the same negative rhetoric that has plagued every balance thread as of late.Thank goodness people are speaking out against it and in support of Blizzard. As a community we really do need to check ourselves, especially in the general attitude toward the game and updates.

I've had my share of trolling, and probably some bm, but the shit that's been going on is over the top. * It does NOTHING to help make LOTV a better game. If anything it discourages communication and becomes a droning mantra of tantrum. We are entitled to NOTHING. If you really want someone to listen to you, speak with some reasoning and calm. Constructive criticism and conversation are much more effective. I get the argument that we have to yell so they will hear us, we have to make them listen, etc... It just hasn't been working, so maybe we should try a different approach.

The best diplomatic approach I have seen so far was TL's articles on DH model, and submitting those to Blizzard. All the effort and dedication to explaining that idea to blizzard on behalf of TL I applaud. I had really hoped they would consider that model more, and even run a test of it in the beta. I think that model did plenty! Watching a zerg play against a turtle mech, the zerg gained quite the advantage from over expanding during the turtle period, which then puts a timer on turtle play (which is great in my opinion, there should be a down side to it, it forces expansion from both players and rewards it at the same time. The current model just forces expansion if I understand it correctly).

The second best suggestion I have seen is my own submission to blizzard for different model of the Liberator. This model does away with the current clunky design, and I think most will agree it brings out the true spirit of the unit.

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On June 18 2015 17:18 HomeWorld wrote:


Wait , what? Pointing out something that really doesn't make any sense at all, is now an insult?