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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On May 02 2015 23:42 Aocowns wrote: Is there any rationale whatsoever for the weird minimap? I don't know how there can be any, but even if there were, it's ugly and impossible to read on some maps. It baffles me how such a change can still be in the beta. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
On May 03 2015 02:09 Hider wrote: Honestly the game is in a much worse state than I expected. Even if the game ges balanced and new terran units + small design tweaks, I don't see any reason why we should expect inactive players to come back. All of the flaws of HOTS are still prevalent and then they added new lame stuff such as Cyclones and let's be clear here. AA removal fixes nothing. The unit is so ridiclous dumb with its max range. And Reaper ability? Seems so incredibly pointless. is this how inactive players are feeling? Because it is incredibly far from what I am am feeling as still active hots player. You are terran right? | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On May 03 2015 02:33 Garbels wrote: is this how inactive players are feeling? Because it is incredibly far from what I am am feeling as still active hots player. You are terran right? I think most active players will be satifised with better balance, while most inactive players want a lot more. It's hard for me to identify areas where I can truly say "that part wasn't good in HOTS, but !@#$%^&* is it fun in LOTV".... Perhaps the exception is tier 3 splash protoss as the Disruptor is much more fun than Colossus. But toss is just fucked so much anyway, and nerfing the Collosus (and keeping the design) and still having Forcefields and an adding a active shild to the Immortal... just makes me not want to play the race at all. Anyway, the only fun I had so far (after 12 or so) was one game with Siege Tank drops vs Ravager/Lurkers. That's a great interaction. High micro skillcap and lots of counterplay. Gimme me a lot more like that while removing all hardcounters and infitnitive kiting + redesign spellcasters such as Ravens, Ghosts and Sentries + give toss a proper core army --> I am really to evaluate LOTV once again. But untill that point, I don't see any strong reason to play it. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10824 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
Protoss seems weak. On top of that, it's the 20% basically that are in so everyone is really good. Got STEAMROLLED by a couple of Terrans/Zergs today. I'm about Diamond level but haven't been playing for a while so it's tough. But so far I find the beta to be a lot of fun, even if it's not quite balanced yet. I think the macro is a little TOO fast though. I don't think you should start with 12 workers or have to expand THAT quickly. Maybe something this and WoL. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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Magnifico
1958 Posts
On May 03 2015 02:41 [PkF] Wire wrote: I think design flaws are even MORE prevalent here than in HotS. The "harass everywhere", "action all over the map" motto is obtained by making the attacker's advantage so ludicrous you just cannot play defensive anymore (not just turtle which is despised for good reasons, but even defensive play has become absurdly hard) I think its too early to tell. Good players aren't even playing LotV yet. Any definitive judgment has to be based on korean play. My personal impression so far is that the new worker count has more cons than pros. Today MC stole two gases from Patience, leading to a unique early-mid game. That's dead now. The new economy in general makes you feel like you are playing against the clock, but something had to be done to end the turtle madness. I have no words to describe how retard that minimap is, though. LotV will be better than HotS, that's for sure. | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On May 03 2015 04:46 Tiaraju9 wrote: I think its too early to tell. Good players aren't even playing LotV yet. Any definitive judgment has to be based on korean play. My personal impression so far is that the new worker count has more cons than pros. Today MC stole two gases from Patience, leading to a unique early-mid game. That's dead now. The new economy in general makes you feel like you are playing against the clock, but something had to be done to end the turtle madness. I have no words to describe how retard that minimap is, though. LotV will be better than HotS, that's for sure. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NRWZhwh.jpg) When my match history looks like than you know it's the case. | ||
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Beelzebub1
1005 Posts
The minimap also is kind of strange it's really hard to see, turning on colorblind mode helped the slightest bit but it's really hard to see pylons and drops at the moment D: | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On May 03 2015 02:50 GGzerG wrote: Welp, if LOTV Beta fails, i'm going back to BW. I don't want to sound cynical but anyone that expects LotV to make it "just like BW" or something similar was ... not delusional but naive from the beginning. Be it Blizzard's stubborness in some design philosophies(dumbing down AI in favor of game mechanics for example) or the fact that people don't actually want BW style of difficulty(people find SC2 too hard already - at least if we're talking about the "casuals" we want to get back into the game), there are a lot of reasons why it's not gonna happen. Best we can hope for is for some, not all, HotS flaws to be fixed. But don't expect SC2 to be like BW - ever. You'll just end up disappointed. @[PkF] Wire: I get your point about defensive play to be problematic. But there are multiple approaches to designing aggressive/defensive mechanics. One is to give aggressive options first, analyse those, then give appropriate defensive responses. Remember, we're still super early in Beta. Nothing has really happened yet apart from a balance patch that fixed some "super obvious" flaws. You have to remember that you guys are talking about dynamics. You simply cannot design those. All Blizzard can do is give mechanics, see how players work with that(what kind of dynamics emerge) and then respond to that. This takes time. Lots of. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
It's refereshing to play something new, and the metagame is like a wild west of unexplored build orders and strategies. That said, i feel like it's a little bit TOO fast and it punishes you for not expanding instead of REWARDING you for expanding. THe new units are nice and add a complexity to the game that was lacking from HotS. Will definitely keep playing more and hopefully Blizzard will take some of the community's feedback on the economy. Also, wtf is this new minimap bullshit? I don't even know why things are different colors... at least if it were consistent I'd appreciate it but right now it's just seemingly random. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
Feel like going back to Hots. Can't believe i'm saying that after only 3 days @_@ The econ change seems to have hit Protoss hard. Zerg gets up to 4 base while Protoss is still struggling to to take a 3rd. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On May 03 2015 05:56 Ovid wrote: When my match history looks like than you know it's the case. Defiantly a zerg player  | ||
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HwiiyiG
United States25 Posts
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On May 04 2015 05:21 ReMaDe wrote: Any confirmation on whether it's MMR or points 20%? I've been mid-high plat and am wondering if I should keep my hopes up for the beta. mmr not sure you made the cut | ||
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HwiiyiG
United States25 Posts
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
On May 02 2015 22:12 darkness wrote: I don't care about ladder as long as they fix speed. It feels so slow, and I don't mean slower because of my hardware because it's superb. It's default running on the new 64 bit version right now. In the Bnet client settings you can tick a box that will launch the game on the 32 bit version. This helps with the lag apparently. | ||
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