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I dont know if I love the rework or not. It feels so weird devour have such a long cooldown, but I can definitely understand why they did it. Tried him support, it felt pretty meh but you can make some pretty nasty roams with W now.
Honestly, since I stopped putting effort and playing, a game or two here there, I realized how many champs are actually in the game, plenty i dont see for months.
On June 27 2021 19:50 M2 wrote: Honestly, since I stopped putting effort and playing, a game or two here there, I realized how many champs are actually in the game, plenty i dont see for months.
Champs like Heimer and Skarner hover around a 1% pick rate, if you play 200 games a season there's a realistic chance you might not see them at all, or just once or twice. It's actually pretty sad, can't remember the last time Vi was considered viable.
On June 27 2021 19:50 M2 wrote: Honestly, since I stopped putting effort and playing, a game or two here there, I realized how many champs are actually in the game, plenty i dont see for months.
I occasionally grab my last smoke of the day (down to 4!) during loading screen and I more often than not cannot guess which champion is which from a distance, have direct view from outside on my porch so we are talking like 5 meters. There's so many confusing skins now so much for clarity.
On June 27 2021 19:50 M2 wrote: Honestly, since I stopped putting effort and playing, a game or two here there, I realized how many champs are actually in the game, plenty i dont see for months.
Champs like Heimer and Skarner hover around a 1% pick rate, if you play 200 games a season there's a realistic chance you might not see them at all, or just once or twice. It's actually pretty sad, can't remember the last time Vi was considered viable.
My experience with Vi over the last few years is. 1) Never see her. 2) End up in a game with an OTP. 3) Wonder how such a broken champion can exist in the game. 4) Never see her. 5) Some autofilled play her. 6) Wonder if it's the same champion or if Riot added another pink haired boxing punker.
I occasionally grab my last smoke of the day (down to 4!) during loading screen and I more often than not cannot guess which champion is which from a distance, have direct view from outside on my porch so we are talking like 5 meters. There's so many confusing skins now so much for clarity.
I also do something similar, however, I am staying right in front of my monitor looking at the skin, most of the time I even know the champion from the champ select, but sometimes I dont pay enough attention, so I am looking the skin without reading the name below and often I have no idea what I am looking at. Moreover, many times during the game itself I am getting confused what is this champion or why is pyke ganking me top lvl 2 and then I realize that this is ekko jungle and there is no pyke in the game at all. Sometimes I even fail to recognize abilities effects or briefly confuse them with different ones from different champions
is he supposed to be the marksman? make sense that he is showed top i guess xD, anyway several seasons ago his Passive + W would have been a different champion on its own (an overloaded one)
This is Sivir, Quinn, Lucian and Vayne in one kit. Also has the power to insta resurrect allies when killing a scoundrel? This is beyond OP what the fuck lol.
I don't even find that kind of overloaded kit funny anymore. This champ makes CertaintlyT champs look like minions, his passive alone has a bigger description than some of the more basic champs.
On July 08 2021 05:57 DarkCore wrote: I don't even find that kind of overloaded kit funny anymore. This champ makes CertaintlyT champs look like minions, his passive alone has a bigger description than some of the more basic champs.
"We now introduce, the Miss Fortune Minion. This is part of the first wave of the minions rework, set for season 12. Prepare yourselves for big jiggly tits every 5th wave, a slow field and an aoe damage spell. Other champions that will find themselves in the first wave of minion line transitioning will be: Nasus, Olaf, Singed and Teemo. We are very excited for these changes, as they are sure to spice up laning even more!"
On July 08 2021 05:57 DarkCore wrote: I don't even find that kind of overloaded kit funny anymore. This champ makes CertaintlyT champs look like minions, his passive alone has a bigger description than some of the more basic champs.
This is Sivir, Quinn, Lucian and Vayne in one kit
Throw in some Camille and a reset too.
"We now introduce, the Miss Fortune Minion. This is part of the first wave of the minions rework, set for season 12. Prepare yourselves for big jiggly tits every 5th wave, a slow field and an aoe damage spell. Other champions that will find themselves in the first wave of minion line transitioning will be: Nasus, Olaf, Singed and Teemo. We are very excited for these changes, as they are sure to spice up laning even more!"
On July 08 2021 05:57 DarkCore wrote: I don't even find that kind of overloaded kit funny anymore. This champ makes CertaintlyT champs look like minions, his passive alone has a bigger description than some of the more basic champs.
This is Sivir, Quinn, Lucian and Vayne in one kit
Throw in some Camille and a reset too.
"We now introduce, the Miss Fortune Minion. This is part of the first wave of the minions rework, set for season 12. Prepare yourselves for big jiggly tits every 5th wave, a slow field and an aoe damage spell. Other champions that will find themselves in the first wave of minion line transitioning will be: Nasus, Olaf, Singed and Teemo. We are very excited for these changes, as they are sure to spice up laning even more!"
Minions definitely need a true damage execute every 3rd attack to make last hitting harder too. I vote for every 3rd wave it's Vayne minions instead of Miss Fortune.
Maybe put Vayne minions in the top lane, MF minions in the bot lane and in the middle add Sivir minions that pop a 1 second spellshield when their hp drops to 30%.
legit what a dumb fucking "esports" company. i get so mad at valve for fucking up their management of dota so that we have to be satisfied with lol as the dominant moba.
On July 08 2021 13:36 evilfatsh1t wrote: legit what a dumb fucking "esports" company. i get so mad at valve for fucking up their management of dota so that we have to be satisfied with lol as the dominant moba.
Everyone here has been playing the game for so long watching it 'degrade', I guess this is what bitter old people feel like when they say 'back in my day'. But I really hate the utility creep in this game, new champs kits look like something you'd find in WoW or PoE, you only really figure these champs out if you OTP them and spend hundreds of hours playing them exclusively. Meanwhile their opponents have to suffer with the fact that every 2nd soloQ somebody is running it down because they have no clue what the champ's kit does, even after seeing it 10 times and reading the wiki.
its not that hard to figure out what the champs do. the thing that annoys me isnt even busted champs in solo q tbh. its the arrogance of riot in knowing that they can blatantly disregard game balancing and still get away with it. every time they release a champion like this they fail to balance it at pro level and simultaneously make old champions obsolete. for a game that has such a huge champion pool the "real" champion pool is tiny because their champ design is just so shit that not enough champions are ever viable to be played across the board. i just hate their design and balance philosophy from a pro scene standpoint. an entire industry relies on the game to not be a fking joke and for the devs to take their job somewhat seriously but for riot its like "lol who the fuck cares we can do what we want". whether icefrog or valve intended it or not at least their philosophy took into consideration the pro scene much better
In an optimal world you'd have all champs be viable and you'd get crazy oddball comps from teams in a boX series. Problem is at a certain point your champ pool and item pool and all the combos and interactions between everything becomes so complex it's basically a "can't see the forest through the trees" situation. The next best thing is keeping things fresh and cycle metas so somehow all champs get to see light of day in the span of 2-3 years in pro play. Things like Nasus and old Volibear are a pain to make viable now though, because there is so much mobility creep (and burst creep), so if you can't get to a backline (because no dash/blink or innate tankstats), you're kind of done. I think Yone release is where Riot jumped the shark with power creep, but releases like Aphelios already hinted at it. The healing/burst on an immobile adc draintanking 4 enemy players, sometimes even locking him down during, is just surreal. I think that's the point of no return for Riot and that's where they made it more into a fighting game a la Tekken or Street Fighter than a strategy game to the likes of DOTA.
I'm mostly just confused about their sense of direction. Yone and Lilia truly feel like LOL champions then on the other hand they in a short span of time also release things like Yuumi, Aphelios and now Ashkan that just feel/look like they come from a completely different game.
its not that hard to figure out what the champs do
It's split between the champs some of them are easy to grasp (Sett, Yone, Lillia), others have kits with lots of small but important parts (Samira, Viego, Gwen). And then there's Aphelios plus this new champ, with kit descriptions longer than patch notes. Luckily for me, I've been playing this game since forever so adding a new champ to my game knowledge isn't hard, it must suck big time for anyone who's been playing the game for less than 3 years.
Problem is at a certain point your champ pool and item pool and all the combos and interactions between everything becomes so complex it's basically a "can't see the forest through the trees" situation.
I agree with this, even if you stick to 5 main champs you will struggle to learn all the various champ interactions, 150+ champs will do that. All the more frustrating when new champs with gigantic kits get released.
So many of the new champs are meta defining, especially at pro level. Balance has become less about what types of champs are meta (bruisers, control mages, split pushers etc.) and more about individual champs with busted kits. That's why champs like reworked Akali will stay meta forever if her kit isn't gutted, and why Sett has moved between top/mid/support/jungle. All new champions have multiple things in their kits that are highly desirable to have, so they outclass other champs in the same category. Why pick Zed when Akali is safer, does more damage, can't be zhonya'd,, flexed mid/top and runs TP?
I dont play much lately, but even I noticed this ignite/tp kind of meta. Mid, Top and even jungle (smite/ignite) I see this. Is ignite so good now? I mean its broken obviously, especially in this healing meta, but to replace flash? Anyway, I always thought that if we can make flash non mandatory, it will be better for league
I don't know what makes it good right now, but it really does feel good to have ignite instead of flash as Camille. I don't think it's because of grevious wounds. To me ignite feels most useful very early, before self-healing gets strong. I see it mostly on Camilles and Gwens so maybe it's their mobility that allows them not to take flash.
The ones you've said and also I've seen it on Kata, Jax, Yone, Noct (smite/ignite jungle and tp/ignite top), Warwick and Yi(the last two smite/ignite) and I am sure that there are more, but can't recall atm
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