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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 05 2020 00:37 GMT
#21
Yeah, M2, thats exactly what I'm saying. i feel like just being invisible is legitimately a better tactic to climb than trying to 1v9. Which is backwards to my previous experience. Perhaps it speaks to an increasing general playerbase macro skill, or perhaps just not hard feeding is beneficial due to the snowball-y nature of the current meta.

As for Mages @ ADC, I would have thought they were easier to pull off than ADC's, no? You dump a combo once every 10s instead of being reliant on constant auto attack uptime. Makes positioning much easier because you only need to stay safe for the half a second it takes to dumpo your combo in order to be useful or carry instead of having to be in optimal position at all times. Perhaps I am totally out to lunch though, IDK.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4764 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-05 08:14:53
May 05 2020 08:14 GMT
#22
Yeah I played Brand as the 'marksman role' a few days ago and then I went lengendary without too much effort.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
May 05 2020 08:26 GMT
#23
As for Mages @ ADC, I would have thought they were easier to pull off than ADC's, no? You dump a combo once every 10s instead of being reliant on constant auto attack uptime. Makes positioning much easier because you only need to stay safe for the half a second it takes to dumpo your combo in order to be useful or carry instead of having to be in optimal position at all times. Perhaps I am totally out to lunch though, IDK.


Most mages aren't viable in the bot lane, they are gank prone and don't match up well with/against a support. The ones that are (mainly Syndra and Ziggs) have a fairly high skill floor, even if people don't think so. That said, you can basically play whatever you want all the way to mid Diamond, even beyond, in any lane. There are OTPs in GM/Challenger on every server, and people don't always draft pro comps, they just play what they want. Yesterday I watched a Challenger game with Kindred bot and he sucked the entire laning phase, then jumped back in the late game.
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4764 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-05 10:10:18
May 05 2020 10:10 GMT
#24
What you say is just as true for adc's though. Varus, Jinx, Jhin, Xayah all essentially have the same mobility problem. I'd say i's even more difficult for them as they need to weave in aa's when retreating where a mage can just walk till they repositioned and then dump their damage (not saying you shouldn't aa as a mage btw).
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
May 05 2020 14:03 GMT
#25
yeah i play mid/bot so im fine with ads and mages and i can say that ziggs bot is braindead easy. literally 100% winrate with him whenever i go bot. overall its easier to lane with mages compared to the normal ads, its just less fun if you prefer the mechanically intensive lategames of ads and obviously you lack the traditional late game carry champion on your team if it actually gets to late game
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4764 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-05 17:18:30
May 05 2020 15:42 GMT
#26
Yeah but one well timed Ziggs combo blows up every squish. I remember being super fed as an ad, smashing a Ziggs and he still one shot me. Granted I ran into his ass, but still..
Also, his minefield lingers for WAY too long.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 05 2020 18:58 GMT
#27
One that I used to be big on way back before it really became pro viable (or done, depending on who you ask) was Ahri before her reworks that ended up kinda killing her. ADCs and your squishy supports rarely knew about the LastHit>Charm> trick. So, yea, plenty of mages can do i, but IMO it mostly ruins the fun of the role playing a mage. If I want to play ADC I want to play Ashe, Cait, or Vayne. Pretty much all the other ones are boring versions of those 3.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-06 07:48:27
May 06 2020 07:48 GMT
#28
arent mages bot bad now due to the duo exp nerfs? even the mage supports look kind of weak now when they are 3-4 lvls behind the mids?
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
May 06 2020 07:53 GMT
#29
I remember being super fed as an ad, smashing a Ziggs and he still one shot me. Granted I ran into his ass, but still..

This is kind of the point I was trying to make. You were winning against Ziggs, but then inted anyway because you didn't think it through. People make terrible mistakes regularly in ranked, mistakes which cost them the game or heavily reduce the chance of a guaranteed win. Even in high elo, people do dumb stuff, it's just 'more advanced'. Watch Perkz roll his eyes when his ADC steals top farm instead of clearing mid so they don't give up a free dragon.

That's why everything works in ranked, bigger factor in win rate is players themselves. And a lot of stuff goes unpunished because people don't draft/adjust playstyle to what their opponent plays. So even if mage bot has some big weaknesses, you can still get away with it.

If I want to play ADC I want to play Ashe, Cait, or Vayne. Pretty much all the other ones are boring versions of those 3.

That's funny, because I'd consider those 3 pretty boring (and I love Cait/Vayne). Ezreal and Lucian are more fun for me because you jump around and get rewarded for good skillshots. Senna is fun because she is new (and has a broken kit), her AA animation feels so clean.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-06 10:28:45
May 06 2020 10:28 GMT
#30
kaisa is the most fun adc. she has the 100-0 that assassins have, good mobility, good 1v9 carry potential, requires all the other mechanics and knowledge that adcs need, fits in pretty much any composition and overall the champion doesnt suck.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 06 2020 15:30 GMT
#31
On May 06 2020 16:53 DarkCore wrote:

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If I want to play ADC I want to play Ashe, Cait, or Vayne. Pretty much all the other ones are boring versions of those 3.

That's funny, because I'd consider those 3 pretty boring (and I love Cait/Vayne). Ezreal and Lucian are more fun for me because you jump around and get rewarded for good skillshots. Senna is fun because she is new (and has a broken kit), her AA animation feels so clean.


On May 06 2020 19:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
kaisa is the most fun adc. she has the 100-0 that assassins have, good mobility, good 1v9 carry potential, requires all the other mechanics and knowledge that adcs need, fits in pretty much any composition and overall the champion doesnt suck.


IMO, if you want to play Ezreal you don't want to play ADC. Lucian and Kai-Sa are kind of ADC hybrids, but if I was Riot's balance team I would make them both niche picks permanently, like Kog Maw currently is (but they are much less well designed than Kog). If the vast majority of a champion's gameplay isn't about weaving right clicks, its not giving me the ADC experience I want. Dashes and spells are largely for when I want to play another position.

Not that I think other types shouldn't be viable, I just think none of the other types should ever be allowed to be dominant. Thats why ADC players are disillusioned with the role, because champions outside the core of the role have been dominant for years.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 06 2020 23:12 GMT
#32
Love when this great and fully functional client crashes so many times I get a draft dodge timer when I've literally never dodged
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
May 07 2020 08:03 GMT
#33
If the vast majority of a champion's gameplay isn't about weaving right clicks, its not giving me the ADC experience I want.

The difference between a bad Lucian/Ezreal and a good one is just that though, being able to weave in lots of AA while correctly using spells. And Ezreal is an OG ADC, he's been around forever, saying people who play him don't like ADC is flat out wrong since he predates everyone but OG-Corki, OG-Graves and Cait. You sound more like you want high AS ADC who are forced to not use abilities because their animations cost 1-3 AA and thus reduce damage.

champions outside the core of the role

What's the core of the role? Immobile, high DPS ADC?
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 07 2020 15:19 GMT
#34
On May 07 2020 17:03 DarkCore wrote:
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If the vast majority of a champion's gameplay isn't about weaving right clicks, its not giving me the ADC experience I want.

The difference between a bad Lucian/Ezreal and a good one is just that though, being able to weave in lots of AA while correctly using spells. And Ezreal is an OG ADC, he's been around forever, saying people who play him don't like ADC is flat out wrong since he predates everyone but OG-Corki, OG-Graves and Cait. You sound more like you want high AS ADC who are forced to not use abilities because their animations cost 1-3 AA and thus reduce damage.

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champions outside the core of the role

What's the core of the role? Immobile, high DPS ADC?

Right clicking and damaging frontline. I accept things like EZ as niche parts of the role, but that is the role I want them to have: Niche. I enjoy playing ezreal, but its more of a mage experience for me. I used to be quite good at Old Graves and I liked it when he was a unique take on ADC, Lucian has kind of taken over his place ever since he was introduced, which is prolly why they reworked Graves, but I never really thought Graves was ADC of an ADC as Cait was.

Now we have stuff like Kai Sa which is essentially an assassin. I think its fine to exist, it just should never be meta. It should be a pocket pick like a Yasuo is now.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9193 Posts
May 09 2020 12:52 GMT
#35
Stormbringer
Volibear leaps to a target location, slowing and damaging enemies beneath him while gaining bonus health. Enemy towers near his landing location become temporarily disabled.


So is Volibear going to be another champion that needs to have shitty stats to not be overpowered in competitive?
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4764 Posts
May 09 2020 15:00 GMT
#36
I'd like to see more volibear in competitive honestly.
Let's get hyped for the fiddle/voli meta!
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
May 09 2020 15:07 GMT
#37
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
May 10 2020 15:11 GMT
#38
The cast times on his E and R look so clunky. Is his R really a self-stun?
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 10 2020 21:02 GMT
#39
His R and E have always been self stuns. Large part of the reason why he's been so kite-able compared to other picks.

So them being self stuns after the rework seems reasonable.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
May 12 2020 09:27 GMT
#40
It is so funny that the same day this thread complaining about EUW high MMR matchmaking popped up, Riot suddenly announces they are fixing it. As if they never realized the problem until Reddit showed empirical proof of how bad it was.

And the changes really have been implemented. NoWay is no longer getting Master average MMR games with his 1000 LP Challenger account, he actually gets to play with people like Upset and Jankos.
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