EPTAs for Mages @ ADC, I would have thought they were easier to pull off than ADC's, no? You dump a combo once every 10s instead of being reliant on constant auto attack uptime. Makes positioning much easier because you only need to stay safe for the half a second it takes to dumpo your combo in order to be useful or carry instead of having to be in optimal position at all times. Perhaps I am totally out to lunch though, IDK.
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iCanada
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As for Mages @ ADC, I would have thought they were easier to pull off than ADC's, no? You dump a combo once every 10s instead of being reliant on constant auto attack uptime. Makes positioning much easier because you only need to stay safe for the half a second it takes to dumpo your combo in order to be useful or carry instead of having to be in optimal position at all times. Perhaps I am totally out to lunch though, IDK. | ||
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Uldridge
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DarkCore
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As for Mages @ ADC, I would have thought they were easier to pull off than ADC's, no? You dump a combo once every 10s instead of being reliant on constant auto attack uptime. Makes positioning much easier because you only need to stay safe for the half a second it takes to dumpo your combo in order to be useful or carry instead of having to be in optimal position at all times. Perhaps I am totally out to lunch though, IDK. Most mages aren't viable in the bot lane, they are gank prone and don't match up well with/against a support. The ones that are (mainly Syndra and Ziggs) have a fairly high skill floor, even if people don't think so. That said, you can basically play whatever you want all the way to mid Diamond, even beyond, in any lane. There are OTPs in GM/Challenger on every server, and people don't always draft pro comps, they just play what they want. Yesterday I watched a Challenger game with Kindred bot and he sucked the entire laning phase, then jumped back in the late game. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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Uldridge
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Also, his minefield lingers for WAY too long. | ||
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cLutZ
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DarkCore
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I remember being super fed as an ad, smashing a Ziggs and he still one shot me. Granted I ran into his ass, but still.. This is kind of the point I was trying to make. You were winning against Ziggs, but then inted anyway because you didn't think it through. People make terrible mistakes regularly in ranked, mistakes which cost them the game or heavily reduce the chance of a guaranteed win. Even in high elo, people do dumb stuff, it's just 'more advanced'. Watch Perkz roll his eyes when his ADC steals top farm instead of clearing mid so they don't give up a free dragon. That's why everything works in ranked, bigger factor in win rate is players themselves. And a lot of stuff goes unpunished because people don't draft/adjust playstyle to what their opponent plays. So even if mage bot has some big weaknesses, you can still get away with it. If I want to play ADC I want to play Ashe, Cait, or Vayne. Pretty much all the other ones are boring versions of those 3. That's funny, because I'd consider those 3 pretty boring (and I love Cait/Vayne). Ezreal and Lucian are more fun for me because you jump around and get rewarded for good skillshots. Senna is fun because she is new (and has a broken kit), her AA animation feels so clean. | ||
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cLutZ
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On May 06 2020 16:53 DarkCore wrote: That's funny, because I'd consider those 3 pretty boring (and I love Cait/Vayne). Ezreal and Lucian are more fun for me because you jump around and get rewarded for good skillshots. Senna is fun because she is new (and has a broken kit), her AA animation feels so clean. On May 06 2020 19:28 evilfatsh1t wrote: kaisa is the most fun adc. she has the 100-0 that assassins have, good mobility, good 1v9 carry potential, requires all the other mechanics and knowledge that adcs need, fits in pretty much any composition and overall the champion doesnt suck. IMO, if you want to play Ezreal you don't want to play ADC. Lucian and Kai-Sa are kind of ADC hybrids, but if I was Riot's balance team I would make them both niche picks permanently, like Kog Maw currently is (but they are much less well designed than Kog). If the vast majority of a champion's gameplay isn't about weaving right clicks, its not giving me the ADC experience I want. Dashes and spells are largely for when I want to play another position. Not that I think other types shouldn't be viable, I just think none of the other types should ever be allowed to be dominant. Thats why ADC players are disillusioned with the role, because champions outside the core of the role have been dominant for years. | ||
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DarkCore
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If the vast majority of a champion's gameplay isn't about weaving right clicks, its not giving me the ADC experience I want. The difference between a bad Lucian/Ezreal and a good one is just that though, being able to weave in lots of AA while correctly using spells. And Ezreal is an OG ADC, he's been around forever, saying people who play him don't like ADC is flat out wrong since he predates everyone but OG-Corki, OG-Graves and Cait. You sound more like you want high AS ADC who are forced to not use abilities because their animations cost 1-3 AA and thus reduce damage. champions outside the core of the role What's the core of the role? Immobile, high DPS ADC? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 07 2020 17:03 DarkCore wrote: The difference between a bad Lucian/Ezreal and a good one is just that though, being able to weave in lots of AA while correctly using spells. And Ezreal is an OG ADC, he's been around forever, saying people who play him don't like ADC is flat out wrong since he predates everyone but OG-Corki, OG-Graves and Cait. You sound more like you want high AS ADC who are forced to not use abilities because their animations cost 1-3 AA and thus reduce damage. What's the core of the role? Immobile, high DPS ADC? Right clicking and damaging frontline. I accept things like EZ as niche parts of the role, but that is the role I want them to have: Niche. I enjoy playing ezreal, but its more of a mage experience for me. I used to be quite good at Old Graves and I liked it when he was a unique take on ADC, Lucian has kind of taken over his place ever since he was introduced, which is prolly why they reworked Graves, but I never really thought Graves was ADC of an ADC as Cait was. Now we have stuff like Kai Sa which is essentially an assassin. I think its fine to exist, it just should never be meta. It should be a pocket pick like a Yasuo is now. | ||
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Stormbringer Volibear leaps to a target location, slowing and damaging enemies beneath him while gaining bonus health. Enemy towers near his landing location become temporarily disabled. So is Volibear going to be another champion that needs to have shitty stats to not be overpowered in competitive? | ||
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Uldridge
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Let's get hyped for the fiddle/voli meta! | ||
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Voli Reveal Recap | ||
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iCanada
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So them being self stuns after the rework seems reasonable. | ||
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DarkCore
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And the changes really have been implemented. NoWay is no longer getting Master average MMR games with his 1000 LP Challenger account, he actually gets to play with people like Upset and Jankos. | ||
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