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LCS format update 3 days of games (4 on Saturday/4 on Sunday/2 Monday Night) New Playoffs format (different for Spring and Summer) Personally not a fan of the new Summer format. 8 teams getting to the playoffs in a 10 team league is stupid. | ||
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They are also finally introducing a losers bracket, personally I hope they start experimenting with that in international tournaments since there are so few of these and it makes it suck so much more to see your favorite team(s) get knocked out early with no chance of redemption. 8 teams in Summer playoffs is weird indeed, I guess they just want to let more bottom teams have a better shot at making playoffs. It would help with their brand if they can claim that they made playoffs and possibly get an upset Bo5 win. LCS games are now spread out over 3 days because they want to intertwine academy games within it. Don't really like that, would have received the news better if more LCS games were played as well but we still only get 18 Bo1s in a split. At least the Academy games are still grouped together in the same day so we can skip them if we don't to watch them. There is also this weird tidbit of info concerning live games: "Tickets to watch games at the LCS during the 2020 Spring Split regular season are only available for Saturdays and Sundays at the LCS Studios. Monday games will continue to be held in front of a live audience but tickets are not available for public sale." Not sure what that implies, is it only open to Rioters and players' friends/relatives? | ||
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Playoffs is a mixed bag. Hurray double elim(or at least a semblence of it) but why does the team that comes out of the winner's bracket not get an elim credit? | ||
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Personally not a fan of the new Summer format. 8 teams getting to the playoffs in a 10 team league is stupid. That discourages playing well in the regular season because you can still technically win the whole thing and make it to Worlds, so stupid. If you end 8th in the regular season you don't deserve to even have a chance. That said, the loser bracket is a good step forward. And Worlds spots being decided by only Summer is kind of good, although imo I found people exaggerating the problem of teams falling off a cliff between seasons (did see it in NA though). | ||
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The major leagues have announced their starting times: LoL Esports kicks off on January 13th with the LPL and a juicy matchup with FPX vs iG. LEC starts on the 24th of January with G2 vs MAD Lions (replaced/name changed Splyce), LCS starts on the 25th of January with TL vs C9. Finally, the LCK is holding out until the 5th of February. The schedule for the LCK has not been announced yet. The calendar is updated for the first 4 weeks of LCS/LPL/LEC. | ||
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Also, Jackey hasn't revealed what team he's on, iG haven't listed him on starting roster. Rumours that he's going to be on RNG have sprung up, since Uzi's old man hands are a serious concern for him. | ||
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On January 25 2020 11:01 Gahlo wrote: So they're trying to do NFL Redzone with Academy? HMM...I wonder why NFL redzone style doesn't work with LoL  | ||
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Sounds almost like a joke and he is making fun of himself. Sadly I believe he is actually serious. | ||
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You can either put in the work to be the best or just go, and I'm quoting forg1ven here, suck a dick. | ||
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And that environment turns Forg1ven into a toxic dickhead. | ||
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Well, I actually am surprised, but only because it happened so early. On February 14 2020 03:01 DarkCore wrote: But I think in this current story, it sounds like Forg1ven is fighting against a team which is interested in building up their brand, and being a top team comes second What do you mean by prioritizing brandbuilding? Something related to team environment or just prefering to sign players who are more marketable but not necessarily better? | ||
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On February 14 2020 03:01 DarkCore wrote: It's comments/tweets like that why people have a raging hate boner for him. But I think in this current story, it sounds like Forg1ven is fighting against a team which is interested in building up their brand, and being a top team comes second, especially because from what I've heard, esports still isn't very profitable when sponsoring is taken out of the equation. Also the fact that SO4 has a mountain to climb if they want to compete with G2, Fnatic while losing some of their best members (which ironically opened up a spot for Forg1ven). And that environment turns Forg1ven into a toxic dickhead. Well if there was one player on the team for branding reasons it was Forgiven. So I guess that is corrected at least. | ||
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On February 14 2020 03:51 Sent. wrote: Forgiven leaving a team while triggering public drama before the end of the split? I am shocked! /s Well, I actually am surprised, but only because it happened so early. What do you mean by prioritizing brandbuilding? Something related to team environment or just prefering to sign players who are more marketable but not necessarily better? S04 is trying to create a media presence (twitter, website), that can mean taking away player practice time to do interviews, and yeah, I agree with above, picking up Forg1ven was probably partly done as a press move (also there aren't many top tier ADC in EU, hence they're being shuffled around the top teams and why Kobbe leaving was a big blow). | ||
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Faker signs a 3-year contract with T1. Becomes part owner. | ||
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LPL normal games that actually matter are crazy enough. I can't even imagine the wild shit that these online "scrims" are. | ||
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I'm getting some heavy dejavu. | ||
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On March 06 2020 10:12 Gahlo wrote: Akkaadian promoted to DIG main roster. Grig to Academy. I'm getting some heavy dejavu. Yeah ngl...everything we've seen in pro has shown akaadian>>>grig and yet Dig had him rotting away on the academy team (which was coming first btw). | ||
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LCS is 'monitoring the situation around COVID in Texas and in communication with officials. Currently, the LCS Spring Finals will still be held there. Further, fan meets, player handshakes/fan high fives are all banned at the LCS for the foreseeable future.' LEC, on the other hand, have moved their Spring Finals from Budapest, Hungary to the LEC Studio in Berlin. | ||
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https://watch.lolesports.com/article/2020-mid-season-invitational-moved-from-may-to-july/bltb836ca52eea05f0b | ||
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Was looking forward to MSI though. | ||
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Hopefully when Valirant League inevitably starts we can cancel spring split so the games don’t overlap, then An event like rift rivals/alllstars would fill a thirst that doesn’t exist because there is no off-season. | ||
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https://watch.lolesports.com/article/lec-live-event-update/blt69f63cc9cf245611 We will get an update on LCS finals on March 20th to see if it will still take place in Texas as planned or in the LCS studio. Feeling that the Texas Finals is extremely unlikely with all the big events cancelling lately. | ||
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They are looking into moving the games fully online to salvage the split. LCS spring finals will take in the LCS studio. Having the finals in a (presumably) empty and small venue is gonna suck but at least it is better than canceling it altogether. | ||
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https://watch.lolesports.com/article/lec-returns-this-friday!/bltbb70b693c95587ef https://watch.lolesports.com/article/lcs-and-academy-return/blt015ec4ac936d438f | ||
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https://watch.lolesports.com/article/update-on-msi-from-john-needham/blt26cfaff9e2c05782 Worlds Expanded https://watch.lolesports.com/article/2020-world-championships-regional-seed-allocation/blt39a37713a2014366 | ||
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- LPL has 4 teams clearly a cut above everyone else (iG, FPX, JDG, TES) - LCK has 3 teams (GenG, T1, DRX) - LEC has 2 clear top teams (FNC, G2), plus 2 more in the second tier (OG, MAD) Idk about LCS and the minor regions. But this is a great chance to be a 3rd/4th strongest team in a major region since you actually get to go to Worlds and play against the very best internationally. | ||
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I still can't believe new LMS gets 2 seeds, other than convenience I don't see any reason to give them more than 1 | ||
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On April 24 2020 04:27 DarkCore wrote: Really funny how the number of seeds seems perfect for current performance of multiple regions: - LPL has 4 teams clearly a cut above everyone else (iG, FPX, JDG, TES) - LCK has 3 teams (GenG, T1, DRX) - LEC has 2 clear top teams (FNC, G2), plus 2 more in the second tier (OG, MAD) Idk about LCS and the minor regions. But this is a great chance to be a 3rd/4th strongest team in a major region since you actually get to go to Worlds and play against the very best internationally. Right now there isn't a team that I'd feel comfortable representing NA at Worlds other than C9, based on how the split ended. | ||
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Some tidbits: -DL didn't want to roster swap from the Impact/Xmithe/Pob/DL/Olleh roster and didn't want to swap Xmithe this year -Everyone else on TL wanted a new jungler -Broxah and Steve did nothing wrong (in his opinion) -coaching staff was given feedback by players and didn't give it to DL | ||
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On April 27 2020 06:21 chipmonklord17 wrote: -coaching staff was given feedback by players and didn't give it to DL On April 27 2020 11:31 evilfatsh1t wrote: dlifts vlog on how his trade went down makes it look like tl coaching staff are pretty incompetent It's also possible he refused to acknowledge anything until he got benched and now only admits his attitude was bad in general without going into specifics. Maybe other teammates called him out once or twice and he responded with something like "fuck off that's bullshit". | ||
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On April 27 2020 20:57 Sent. wrote: It's also possible he refused to acknowledge anything until he got benched and now only admits his attitude was bad in general without going into specifics. Maybe other teammates called him out once or twice and he responded with something like "fuck off that's bullshit". Definitely a possibility, Loco implied something similar occurred as well as per his sources | ||
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Basically agrees with the fact that his attitude was bad before the benching but he didn't respond until after. | ||
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On May 04 2020 01:08 chipmonklord17 wrote: As all of the spring splits around the world are wrapping up, I'm left extremely sad that MSI couldn't happen this year. Getting to see C9 square up against the world, getting to see if this G2 roster could be punished by world class bot lanes, getting to see the new T1 roster, JDG qualifying, UoL getting their 3rd shot in a row to make main stage after falling in game 5 twice in a row, seeing the strength of PCS now that FW is gone. Getting to wait until worlds (or longer depending on the state of the world) is just sad Too bad that can't be fixed by having the tournament played on-line. | ||
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On May 04 2020 01:08 chipmonklord17 wrote: As all of the spring splits around the world are wrapping up, I'm left extremely sad that MSI couldn't happen this year. Getting to see C9 square up against the world, getting to see if this G2 roster could be punished by world class bot lanes, getting to see the new T1 roster, JDG qualifying, UoL getting their 3rd shot in a row to make main stage after falling in game 5 twice in a row, seeing the strength of PCS now that FW is gone. Getting to wait until worlds (or longer depending on the state of the world) is just sad Watching C9 internationally at MSI would probably be a disappointment because NA is going through another phase where it only has 1 good team, and in cases like that the best team isn't as good as they look because they aren't really challenged. | ||
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On May 04 2020 06:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: It really can't though. Tell me, what server would you play UoL vs C9 on? Like sure you COULD have MSI online, but it would mean nothing I wasn't being sarcastic. | ||
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On May 04 2020 06:25 Gahlo wrote: Watching C9 internationally at MSI would probably be a disappointment because NA is going through another phase where it only has 1 good team, and in cases like that the best team isn't as good as they look because they aren't really challenged. In any case C9 deserve to be challenged. It is pretty sad if they can not find out how far they could go simply because the competition does not happen. | ||
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On May 04 2020 08:00 Redox wrote: In any case C9 deserve to be challenged. It is pretty sad if they can not find out how far they could go simply because the competition does not happen. Agreed. I think they'll get a decent amount of challenge in Summer, at the very least. | ||
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(Definitely not) Rift Rivals to hold everyone out. May 28-31. Top 4 KR/CN teams. 4 Days. Team vs Team set up. | ||
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On May 08 2020 01:22 DarkCore wrote: Nice, that's worth watching. Means we don't have to suffer through LPL/LCK crushing LMS, or LEC whipping LCS again. And most of these teams are top tier, I'd only rate iG and DWG a tier below. I'm excited for FPX vs T1 for sure, thank god I'll have something to watch | ||
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And shockingly, TSM management continues to be TSM management. "No one wants Dardoch" | ||
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For clarity, I believe its 100% coincidental | ||
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On May 12 2020 10:22 chipmonklord17 wrote: Wait...you mean to tell me that DL went to his gf's org AND Kobbe went to HIS gf's org...even if that's 100% coincidental holy hell that's suspicious as fuck For clarity, I believe its 100% coincidental Yup. Difference is Leena is basically #2 in TSM and Kobbe's gf is just a sponsored streamer. Misfits needed an upgrade at ADC anyway. | ||
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The DL Leena thing is a big conflict of interest. But what's far worse imo is that the player union that's supposed to step in for these kinds of situations has DL and Bjerg on the board. Not only are they invested in the team they're supposed to judge, but they also have personal ties. Pretty messy situation. | ||
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On May 12 2020 10:22 chipmonklord17 wrote: Wait...you mean to tell me that DL went to his gf's org AND Kobbe went to HIS gf's org...even if that's 100% coincidental holy hell that's suspicious as fuck For clarity, I believe its 100% coincidental I don't think it's purely coincidental. Professional LoL is still a system where knowing a guy who knows a guy is the most reliable way of getting a job. Sometimes those guys just happen to be girls. I'm not implying causation but I think those personal ties made the transfers far easier. | ||
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On May 13 2020 00:56 Sent. wrote: I don't think it's purely coincidental. Professional LoL is still a system where knowing a guy who knows a guy is the most reliable way of getting a job. Sometimes those guys just happen to be girls. I'm not implying causation but I think those personal ties made the transfers far easier. That's definitely what I meant, I guess coincidence is a bad word there, I just didn't want someone to think I was tin foil hat tier conspiracy theorizing. I wholeheartedly believe that DL would have joined TSM regardless, and MSF is one of the few orgs that actually would need an ADC upgrade, and someone of Kobbe's caliber is not going to fucking Vitality. But its still an optics nightmare Side note pointed out by Thorin, why is part owner of TSM, Bjergson, allowed to also be VP of the "independent" player's association? For that matter, why are 3 of the 5 executive positions held by members of one of 10 teams? | ||
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On May 13 2020 02:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: That's definitely what I meant, I guess coincidence is a bad word there, I just didn't want someone to think I was tin foil hat tier conspiracy theorizing. I wholeheartedly believe that DL would have joined TSM regardless, and MSF is one of the few orgs that actually would need an ADC upgrade, and someone of Kobbe's caliber is not going to fucking Vitality. But its still an optics nightmare Side note pointed out by Thorin, why is part owner of TSM, Bjergson, allowed to also be VP of the "independent" player's association? For that matter, why are 3 of the 5 executive positions held by members of one of 10 teams? Because nobody, not even the players, takes the PA seriously. | ||
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It is not in the interest of Riot, or investors imo, for a union to exist. | ||
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Also fucking hell man, I feel so bad for Dardoch | ||
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Do we know how big is Bjergsen's share in TSM btw? | ||
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Forget the fact that the players union is 3 TSM players (and 2 GGS players for that matter) and consider Bjerg exclusively. In this situation, how could he possibly be asked to be a representative of Dardoch's in the mistreatment that TSM have just done when he himself is an owner of TSM? Because any legitimate player's association would be defending their player from the absolute bullshit Dardoch just had done to him | ||
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On May 13 2020 05:06 chipmonklord17 wrote: I get all that, I'm just surprised no one cares enough to pretend. Like I'm not asking them to care, I'm asking them to even pretend. Also fucking hell man, I feel so bad for Dardoch They do... as long as they can use it to flame TSM. After this we'll hear nothing about it again. On May 13 2020 05:23 Sent. wrote: I always thought the player's union is supposed to be something like an advisory body that can voice out what the players want in general. It's powerless and shouldn't be expected to protect particular players. With that in mind it's not that big of a big deal to me that Bjergsen is a part of its leadership. Do we know how big is Bjergsen's share in TSM btw? It's not a union, a union would have power. It's basically a suggestion box. | ||
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If it were a proper union, you bet your ass they would've plugged conflict of interest loopholes like we see right now. Seems more like the PA is a press stunt to self confirm that the teams are behaving correctly. And if the PA does disagree with them, then teams can just tell them to pound sand. | ||
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On May 13 2020 07:17 DarkCore wrote: Yeah, it's not a union, so it's understandable that no one takes it very seriously. In fact, that's why it shouldn't be taken seriously: if one side plays fair, and the other doesn't, you have no leverage, legally speaking, to get something done. Hence why Dardoch is being left out to dry. If it were a proper union, you bet your ass they would've plugged conflict of interest loopholes like we see right now. Seems more like the PA is a press stunt to self confirm that the teams are behaving correctly. And if the PA does disagree with them, then teams can just tell them to pound sand. Yup, it's largely just there so Riot can say they did what they could and wash their hands of situations. | ||
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I don't get it, why did a Korean team hire a head coach who can't speak Korean? | ||
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On May 15 2020 07:01 Sent. wrote: https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/29176079/yamatocannon-joins-sandbox-gaming-first-western-lck-head-coach I don't get it, why did a Korean team hire a head coach who can't speak Korean? Don't think about it too hard, just enjoy the fact that he's going to bring fashion to Korean League of Legends. Imagine the epic speeches he can give to these players. Memes aside and my opinions on how strange this is aside, I'm really happy for him because I think he's actually a really good coach, and being the first Western Head Coach in LCK is pretty historic. | ||
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On May 15 2020 07:01 Sent. wrote: https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/29176079/yamatocannon-joins-sandbox-gaming-first-western-lck-head-coach I don't get it, why did a Korean team hire a head coach who can't speak Korean? SKT already have a former TL.net alumni Lord Tolkien as an analyst and he can't speak Korean afaik. The West is coming! Maybe Sandbox is getting a Western Player too? | ||
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Untara/V1per/Ucal leave Griffin. Interesting to see where they go at this point in time. Some NA teams could do with Ucal perhaps but it might be difficult with COVID-19. | ||
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Viper shocks everyone (not rlly) by joining Hanwha. | ||
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HLE got an upgrade, but not enough to change their standing imo. | ||
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On May 15 2020 13:02 AdsMoFro wrote: SKT already have a former TL.net alumni Lord Tolkien as an analyst and he can't speak Korean afaik. The West is coming! Maybe Sandbox is getting a Western Player too? Wrong guy, mr_tolkien is the SKT analyst. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://images.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltad9188aa9a70543a/blt92e6b8a21cc585d8/5ec478873a450a58554b6207/LCS20_MNL_FNL_Schedule.jpg) Full article: https://watch.lolesports.com/article/2020-lcs-and-academy-summer-split-schedule-update/bltca25288513c165a1 | ||
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https://twitter.com/TeamGriffinLoL/status/1263409313357238274 Lots of people think he's going to LPL, including Doinb. Some speculate VG, which would be an interesting lineup considering the talent and Kkoma. | ||
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On May 25 2020 02:49 chipmonklord17 wrote: At least he has a team? Bvoy to Flamengo Man, Bvoy flopping wasn't something I expected. Had big wraps on him personally but he never lived up to the hype. | ||
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Xiye DMO -> LGD Both rosters don't look like actual shit anymore, which is surprising given their multi-year tenures as straight garbage | ||
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LangX, Peanut, Xiye, Kramer, Killua actually sounds like a potential top tier roster. I don't know if they can crack top 4 for a world's spot over FPX/JDG/Top/iG but they should make playoffs. Meanwhile idk what is going on over at RNG. Ucal also back to KT | ||
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Glad for Ucal. | ||
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Also I agree it'll be a struggle for LGD to crack the top 4, but its exciting that LGD might be relevant for the first time in what 4 years? They haven't made playoffs since 2016 where they were knocked out round 1 | ||
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Still doubt that their roster upgrade is enough to make playoffs: besides the big 4, there are also quite a few playoff stragglers that beat the bottom half of CN quite handily. eStar, EDG for sure, with WE and RNG making a case too. | ||
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On May 28 2020 08:49 Gahlo wrote: Sources are saying Huni to EG. And which of Jizuke and Bang are leaving for that to work. Also totally unrelated to all of this but Jin Air fights for their CK spot today, should be pretty easy considering the team they're playing against literally doesn't have players listed on the wiki | ||
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On May 28 2020 08:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: My assumptions are that Lourlo and Dardoch and Akadian and Damonte will stay together, and that Froggen will not go to academy because its fucking Froggen, forcing Lourlo Dardoch to be the starters in LCS. I could be wrong but that all seems pretty plausible And which of Jizuke and Bang are leaving for that to work. Also totally unrelated to all of this but Jin Air fights for their CK spot today, should be pretty easy considering the team they're playing against literally doesn't have players listed on the wiki People were mentioning in the reddit thread that he's close to residency, so I wouldn't be surprised if they stashed him in Academy for a split if he can get it next year. | ||
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On May 28 2020 09:08 chipmonklord17 wrote: I swear they scrapped that rule already. I forget if Huni was one of the last players that could get it or couldn't. I know Ssumday for example was just too late Would make me think Huni would still be allowed, if that's true, since this is his 4th year in the last 5 in NA, dating back to Dec 2015, while Ssumday has been in NA since Dec 2016. edit: Looking at the 2020 rule book, Froggen, Huni, and Reignover will become residents next year if they play over 50% of the games in each split. The only other player that can get residency based on time is Shrimp in 2023.(Appendix A) The criteria for the rule(2.2.2) is to players on both LCS and Challenger teams, but isn't clear if Academy games will apply, though I could see how one could claim that Academy has a regular season. | ||
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Huni to EG would be really weird if that were the case, who would you be subbing out? I guess Bang and Deftly would swap for 50% of the matches? Does that include playoffs? I just don't see EG handicapping their ability to go to worlds this year, just so they could run Huni full time next year. Unless they are so convinced NA is free (it is) that they can cruise to the 2nd or 3rd spot with a sometimes Huni/Sven/Jizuke/Deftly/Zeyzal sometimes Kumo/Sven/Jizuke/Bang/Zeyzal. Which tbh doesn't sound impossible. They'd really only be competing with Fly and TSM, maybe TL if they pick themselves back up EDIT: It would HAVE to be those configurations because their Academy mid seems to be imported as well | ||
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On May 28 2020 09:47 chipmonklord17 wrote: With that being the case I 100% expect Lourlo/Dardoch/Froggen/Jonsun/Aphro as the Dig starting roster. Huni to EG would be really weird if that were the case, who would you be subbing out? I guess Bang and Deftly would swap for 50% of the matches? Does that include playoffs? I just don't see EG handicapping their ability to go to worlds this year, just so they could run Huni full time next year. Unless they are so convinced NA is free (it is) that they can cruise to the 2nd or 3rd spot with a sometimes Huni/Sven/Jizuke/Deftly/Zeyzal sometimes Kumi/Sven/Jizuke/Bang/Zeyzal. Which tbh doesn't sound impossible. They'd really only be competing with Fly and TSM, maybe TL if they pick themselves back up It's regular season games, so playoffs wouldn't count for or against a player. | ||
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Although if there's any year to gamble your spot at worlds its the year that a worlds spot at all is a gamble with COVID so hey, maybe not THAT dumb Also all logic and reason aside, EG Huni seems like some of the best brand synergy in the LCS | ||
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On May 28 2020 10:14 Gahlo wrote: Kayle_bot on reddit, who iirc used to work at Clutch and now works at LEC said Academy counts too, so EG won't have to roster juggle to get Huni residency next year, they'd just need to sit him in Academy. Very big if true. That would explain how Fenix is currently a resident as well no? Follow up question, does Huni then become resident after the LCS split or after worlds? Even if they made it to worlds they'd still run into this problem. | ||
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On May 28 2020 10:15 chipmonklord17 wrote: I think when you spend EG tier money to get into the league in the first place you damn well better make worlds. People like Huni, but people also meme on him hard core by this point so I feel like the amount you gain from having him might not actually get offset by the flaming and the memes if they lose out on a worlds spot with him Very big if true. That would explain how Fenix is currently a resident as well no? Follow up question, does Huni then become resident after the LCS split or after worlds? Even if they made it to worlds they'd still run into this problem. Making Worlds does not turn stones into gold in LoL, it's not TI. If anything, financially World Championship is almost a joke, unless your fanbase is LPL-tier massive, so you can get meaningful sticker money. Only thing any LCS squad should care about is winning the league itself. If EG can simply carve out one good split out of Huni in 2021 in addition to other roster changes, it's still miles ahead of where they can be competition-wise with Kumo. | ||
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Sidenote, they can watch Huni play in Academy with in house knowledge of what's going on with him, so even if an option comes up in the offseason that they prefer, they would now have a resident Huni bargaining chip. | ||
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On May 28 2020 10:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Making Worlds does not turn stones into gold in LoL, it's not TI. If anything, financially World Championship is almost a joke, unless your fanbase is LPL-tier massive, so you can get meaningful sticker money. Only thing any LCS squad should care about is winning the league itself. If EG can simply carve out one good split out of Huni in 2021 in addition to other roster changes, it's still miles ahead of where they can be competition-wise with Kumo. Idk if I agree with that last one, considering they got 2nd in the regular split and 3rd overall, but everything else I can't argue with. On May 28 2020 10:36 Gahlo wrote: The rulebook specifies it as Spring 2021. Sidenote, they can watch Huni play in Academy with in house knowledge of what's going on with him, so even if an option comes up in the offseason that they prefer, they would now have a resident Huni bargaining chip. By that same token, its even more mind boggling that Dig didn't hold on to him and then have the Resident Huni chip holy shit, average player salary in LCS is $410k | ||
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On May 28 2020 10:49 chipmonklord17 wrote: Idk if I agree with that last one, considering they got 2nd in the regular split and 3rd overall, but everything else I can't argue with. By that same token, its even more mind boggling that Dig didn't hold on to him and then have the Resident Huni chip holy shit, average player salary in LCS is $410k They probably didn't want to continue paying him over $500k per split. | ||
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On May 28 2020 22:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: But by the same token of sticking him in academy and then having the resident Huni chip, I imagine you'd be able to sell Resident Huni and make back the difference between his salary and anyone else you'd pick up Yeah, feels like one of those "I can't see in the black box" scenarios, so who knows. Maybe Huni and somebody on the team who a) costs less and b) is performing better and this was the cheapest solution. | ||
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Its official, really wish EG would explain their plan from the video, he doesn't SOUND like he's playing for academy, and he specifically mentions playing with Bang, so Bang didn't Mickey on us | ||
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According to Artemis(one of EG's coaches), Kumo is still the starter. | ||
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On May 29 2020 11:18 Gahlo wrote: EG doin weird stuff in the lab. According to Artemis(one of EG's coaches), Kumo is still the starter. Do they have a mid laner to swap with? Is it just going to be bang <-> Deftly? | ||
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Uzi burst onto the scene as a 14-year-old, quickly establishing his dominance and spawning "Protect the Puppy" comps with Kog and Vayne as his team would put all resources into him with complete trust in him to carry the team. He made two consecutive Worlds Final appearances at the age of 15 and 16 and after years of 2nd place finishes in the LPL as well, he finally won the LPL in 2018. In 2018, he won both LPL Spring and Summer splits, MSI and the Asian Games, before failing to complete the 'grand slam of LoL' falling to G2 in the Quarterfinals of Worlds. He is undoubtedly one of the greatest players in LoL history and the greatest ADC to ever play the game. | ||
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Sad seeing my favorite ADC leave, he filled the void for me when Weixiao retired. If he really were to come back after two years and see success, it would be the craziest comeback in LoL ever. But I doubt it, I think he's just going to stream and chill, especially considering his health. | ||
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On June 06 2020 12:04 Gahlo wrote: Damonte is NA though. and he is better than GG, honestly its amazing he still gets on LCS teams | ||
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What exactly happened here? Does Huni still receive that insane salary on EG? And I just noticed that I still have to familiarize myself with the new rosters. roster changes overview: https://lol.gamepedia.com/Roster_Swaps/2020_Midseason/Europe/Current_Rosters https://lol.gamepedia.com/Roster_Swaps/2020_Midseason/North_America/Current_Rosters Acually not that many changes. Guess not all is confirmed yet. | ||
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My guess is the 10 teams will be: T1, KT, Gen G, DRX, Afreeca, RunAways, Jin Air, Damwon, Hanwha, Sandbox, unless Riot Korea is upset Jin Air phoned it in for years | ||
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As an esports fan, I would not want to see a team which drafts based on fan choice either. | ||
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They've raised 20,000 so far, a far cry from 10 million, but still quite a lot of money. | ||
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Biofrost benched, Treatz promoted EG Signs Golden Glue to play import musical chars to start Huni. | ||
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On July 17 2020 09:32 Gahlo wrote: Rumor of UZI to iG. Unless theres another new rumor, it was an old rumor from before he retired | ||
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On July 27 2020 23:54 chipmonklord17 wrote: Riot Korea to do a new reality TV show to find the next generation of pros. I know they'll never do it but I'd love for the "special opportunity" the winning team gets is a Team 8 Style Kespa owned slot into the Franchised LCK CJ Entus 2: electric boogaloo | ||
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It will take place in China as intended but only in Shanghai to minimize traveling, more details on how they will handle the safety measures for COVID-19 pending. 2021 Worlds will also take place in China to "make up" for this year's limited Worlds experience as rumored; 2022 Worlds will take place in NA. | ||
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On June 26 2020 00:31 chipmonklord17 wrote: Griffin confirmed to be out of LCK 2021 as they never applied for a franchise spot. All other LCK and CK teams applied. My guess is the 10 teams will be: T1, KT, Gen G, DRX, Afreeca, RunAways, Jin Air, Damwon, Hanwha, Sandbox, unless Riot Korea is upset Jin Air phoned it in for years Update, the current teams negotiating for a spot with Riot Korea are 9 of the 10 LCK teams and Brion (going by Hyfresh Blade this season). Both Jin Air and APK Prince are on the back up list. Is Hyfresh some really popular Korean brand? As a long time esports follower it seems weird that Jin Air is a back up to Hyfresh. The others make enough sense. | ||
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On August 28 2020 23:47 chipmonklord17 wrote: Update, the current teams negotiating for a spot with Riot Korea are 9 of the 10 LCK teams and Brion (going by Hyfresh Blade this season). Both Jin Air and APK Prince are on the back up list. Is Hyfresh some really popular Korean brand? As a long time esports follower it seems weird that Jin Air is a back up to Hyfresh. The others make enough sense. I smell another Style. Start. Sbenu. situation brewing. | ||
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On August 29 2020 08:12 Gahlo wrote: I smell another Style. Start. Sbenu. situation brewing. Sbenu was a fraudulent company, what gives you the idea that, I assume HyFresh, are one as well? | ||
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On August 29 2020 10:15 chipmonklord17 wrote: Sbenu was a fraudulent company, what gives you the idea that, I assume HyFresh, are one as well? "Hey let's have an esports team for advertisement.... hehe, oops, let's go away." | ||
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Immortals dropping Altec, Gate, Soaz, Eika, and coach and Soaz taking a year off Kold officially retires EDIT: Official Format Change LCK 3 seed is automatically in the group stage and Play Ins are now 5 team bo1 groups, Top team in the group advances and bottom is eliminated. 3rd plays 4th in a bo5, and winner plays 2nd for the final two spots | ||
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On September 02 2020 07:07 loSleb wrote: Yeah the one where you finish 3rd and then get to play against PSG Talon for the bo5 Oh right, my brain wasn't thinking about the swap and was going with playing the same group teams all play in lmao. | ||
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On September 05 2020 00:20 Sent. wrote: Is there a reason why LEC and LCS finals have to be played on the same weekend? Surely the American finals would have a higher viewership if the games started earlier than 22:00 in Europe. You are right. Would be much better if it was on consecutive weekends. | ||
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On September 05 2020 07:05 Gahlo wrote: Riot seems to think everybody wants/needs to watch everything. This is kinda the opposite. If you want to watch both its obviously better if it is on different weekends. | ||
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On September 05 2020 15:35 Redox wrote: This is kinda the opposite. If you want to watch both its obviously better if it is on different weekends. "The Euros will already be there, so they don't have to do anything. NA will have to wait for their series, so they might as well watch while they wait." is probably the thinking. | ||
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On September 05 2020 19:22 Gahlo wrote: "The Euros will already be there, so they don't have to do anything. NA will have to wait for their series, so they might as well watch while they wait." is probably the thinking. This might be the right approach if teenagers are their main target audience. I remember staying up late to watch MLG sc2 WoL tournaments, but now there's no way I'm watching both European and American LoL finals on Sunday if I have to go to work on Monday. Actually I'm not even sure I'd watch both finals on Saturday, I'm just not that interested in e-sports anymore. | ||
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On September 07 2020 04:42 Sent. wrote: This might be the right approach if teenagers are their main target audience. I remember staying up late to watch MLG sc2 WoL tournaments, but now there's no way I'm watching both European and American LoL finals on Sunday if I have to go to work on Monday. Actually I'm not even sure I'd watch both finals on Saturday, I'm just not that interested in e-sports anymore. Of course that's their primary audience. People who can use their parents credit card, or have no "need" for money (ie house bills/loans/etc) | ||
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On September 07 2020 04:42 Sent. wrote: This might be the right approach if teenagers are their main target audience. I remember staying up late to watch MLG sc2 WoL tournaments, but now there's no way I'm watching both European and American LoL finals on Sunday if I have to go to work on Monday. Actually I'm not even sure I'd watch both finals on Saturday, I'm just not that interested in e-sports anymore. Yeah, that's kinda their demographic. They don't cater to us anymore. | ||
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On August 28 2020 23:47 chipmonklord17 wrote: Update, the current teams negotiating for a spot with Riot Korea are 9 of the 10 LCK teams and Brion (going by Hyfresh Blade this season). Both Jin Air and APK Prince are on the back up list. Is Hyfresh some really popular Korean brand? As a long time esports follower it seems weird that Jin Air is a back up to Hyfresh. The others make enough sense. Update from a few days later: SHO Prince <-> Hyfresh Blade for LCK franchising, SHO Prince is apparently the first alternative, so no Glad Planes unless talks with two teams fall out minimum | ||
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- Knight - Zoom - Kanavi - JackeyLove - Caps - Wunder - ShowMaker - Chovy - Larssen - Hans Sama - Ruler Also, this will the first time I watch NA teams this year, it's hard just watching your favorite teams in LPL/LCK/LEC. | ||
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On September 11 2020 02:56 DarkCore wrote: No rankings, but players I'm looking forward to: - Knight - Zoom - Kanavi - JackeyLove - Caps - Wunder - ShowMaker - Chovy - Larssen - Hans Sama - Ruler Also, this will the first time I watch NA teams this year, it's hard just watching your favorite teams in LPL/LCK/LEC. Yeah I watch NA mostly because it’s on at a convenient time for me, I’m not particularly invested in any teams or players in it, I also think no players from NA should be on a top 20 list but I guarantee Bjergsen will find his way on it lol | ||
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On September 11 2020 02:56 DarkCore wrote: No rankings, but players I'm looking forward to: - Knight - Zoom - Kanavi - JackeyLove - Caps - Wunder - ShowMaker - Chovy - Larssen - Hans Sama - Ruler Also, this will the first time I watch NA teams this year, it's hard just watching your favorite teams in LPL/LCK/LEC. I basically can't find the time to watch anything but NA, nor can I get myself to wake up early enough to watch KT anymore(not that they're giving me much reason to). | ||
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Top 5 is mostly mid laners, most talented position atm for sure. | ||
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On September 12 2020 18:32 DarkCore wrote: ESPN brought out their top 20, it's not very surprising tbh. Also, not one NA player on there, that burns. Top 5 is mostly mid laners, most talented position atm for sure. This is the first list from ESPN that I don't immediately think is a joke. | ||
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On September 14 2020 06:57 DarkCore wrote: For streaming, no? I think LS coaching days are over, besides one on one stuff with viewers. Coaching, presumably head coach, from all major regions | ||
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On September 14 2020 07:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: Coaching, presumably head coach, from all major regions also nowhere in that article does it imply that ls has been approached by t1 to be head coach. it doesnt even say normal coach, just position. could may as well be streaming for all we know | ||
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On September 14 2020 14:17 evilfatsh1t wrote: ls as head coach? i mean ill admit im heavily biased against ls because i think hes an arrogant sack of shit but for a major organisation like t1 to go to him of all people? thats gotta be a joke also nowhere in that article does it imply that ls has been approached by t1 to be head coach. it doesnt even say normal coach, just position. could may as well be streaming for all we know here's another one, just because your biased doesnt mean it didn't happen. Also if ESPNs website wasnt dog shit I'd give you a 3rd one too | ||
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i really dont think t1 wants to be giving their head coach job to a guy whos best stint as a coach was to fail to get a team out of challengers korea. if joe marsh went and hired ls as head coach hed be lining himself up after coach kim to be next out the door. imagine the shitshow from korean fans alone | ||
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I agree with evilfatsh1t, the link (and the stream they provide as proof) just says he has coaching offers, and he also has a meeting with T1 CEO. He does not say he has head coach offers, and he does not say what his meeting is about. Personally, I'm betting on either streamer position, or analyst (T1 needs someone to dictate their drafts, because they have been poor this split). | ||
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Just because you're biased against him doesn't mean he isn't getting approached for the opportunities. | ||
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On September 15 2020 08:05 Gahlo wrote: Jack making a big dumb move. I don't want to doubt Jack as a fan... but I can't help but agree. I feel like Reapered was the competitive advantage for C9 in NA. Now, I'm ready for mediocrity. Here's to hoping Reapered lands on a great team like T1 or some Chinese team or something. | ||
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Now I get to see if Parth is willing to make the easiest coaching hire of his life. | ||
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On September 15 2020 02:09 chipmonklord17 wrote: Of course both articles say the same thing, that's the point of journalism, to report facts. It would be more of an issue if they had wildly difference stances. You really mean to tell me he's gotten 9+ offers for head coach/coach positions and the T1 head just so happens to be meeting with him for tea and cookies? Of course he's being considered for a coach/head coach position there. I do agree that a head coach offer from T1 might be a bit above what he's qualified for, but he's certainly getting those kind of offers Just because you're biased against him doesn't mean he isn't getting approached for the opportunities. he may as well be getting approached with opportunities as head coach, but it wont be from t1. anyone whos seen his streams, casts or anything else he does or says will know hes just not of the calibre. as has been pointed out, head coaching has less to do with coaching and more to do with man management. ls would get laughed out of the room by the players and staff if he was to manage the team. he is probably the most ill equipped out of any "coach" in the scene to manage a team, let alone a high profile one like t1 | ||
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Of course both articles say the same thing, that's the point of journalism, to report facts. Most esport 'news' is little more than a rumor mills and sensationalizes casual remarks from anyone in the scene. The article you sent is a whole 7 paragraphs about 1 minute of things LS said. It directly cites 2 sentences, and the rest is information padding about who LS is. Articles like that are exactly why I don't bother reading most esport news, it's akin to tabloid trash or yellow press, however you want to call it. There is no difference between this kind of article and what you can read in reddit comments, it's all speculation based on very little information. | ||
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And yeah I usually agree that a lot of esports "news" is actually filler bullshit, this are pretty good exceptions to that rule. Its the facts of the situation (he's been getting offers to coach/head coach from all major regions), the fact that he's meeting with T1, and his past as the BBQ coach. That's shockingly solid journalism for the esports world tbh | ||
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On September 15 2020 15:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: he may as well be getting approached with opportunities as head coach, but it wont be from t1. anyone whos seen his streams, casts or anything else he does or says will know hes just not of the calibre. as has been pointed out, head coaching has less to do with coaching and more to do with man management. ls would get laughed out of the room by the players and staff if he was to manage the team. he is probably the most ill equipped out of any "coach" in the scene to manage a team, let alone a high profile one like t1 My god. Having LS as a manager is close to the most horrible thing I can imagine. I also dont even think he'd be that great of an analyst for a real top tier team. We're talking about a guy who is still convinced Fire Drake is better on mages than it is on ADC's. | ||
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Ahq could also have been fucking up behind the scenes with payments and whatnot | ||
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Seems crazy the first Worlds they do well, although if you ask anyone in the league scene they'll tell you OCE is dead | ||
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For the good OCE players, I hope they all get poached and go to NA/EU. For the other players and the fans, this fucking blows. | ||
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I'd personally love to see CLG just pick up the Legacy roster given how bad their 2020 roster was, but I assume no team will just transfer over, unless the league expands to fit the OCE orgs. | ||
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On October 07 2020 23:10 DarkCore wrote: I don't think OCE players will pick EU over NA either, I just put it in because I believe all LEC teams communicate in English, so it's still an option. I imagine it's harder to get into LEC anyway because in the US you can get a visa as a pro player, haven't heard anything of the sort for the EU (probably country specific). I believe Germany now has that so they could potentially go to the LEC. Sucks so much for OCE. Even if our current pro players go over to NA, it's pretty much a single generation thing. OCE Soloq was already a joke but without all the top players and no reason/way to get picked up by an NA org it's basically a dead server. The Worlds/MSI seed is going to be a laughing stock. Legit amateur level teams of high elo players that didn't make the NA cut coming together for a few weeks at MSI/Worlds times lol. | ||
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Also there's no way in hell Riot didn't tip off the LCS owners to some capacity. I refuse to believe everyone randomly imported OCE players this year | ||
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Licorice confirms it. Honestly seems like a terrible decision but I'm far past doubting C9 | ||
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Rumor, Armut and Elyoya to MAD over Orome and Shadow. on the one hand, these should be upgrades to both positions, on the other it seems kinda fucked up to drop the rookies over one bad worlds | ||
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Tbh, he's always appeared to be a level headed and respectful person with leadership qualities, great to build a team around (and also a brand). Well, those same qualities also make a good Head Coach, especially since he's bringing in a boatload of personal game knowledge. Please let this be the only announcement this year, no Rekkles/Jankos/Perkz plzplzplz. | ||
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On October 25 2020 01:54 Slusher wrote: It sucks pretty bad that Bjergsen is retiring, but I think it sucks even more that they are hiring a head coach from within. Another casualty of Parth's terrible GMing. I'm so confused on how I'm supposed to feel right now. | ||
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Fact is though, TSM usually loses draft and usually struggles to be consistent performers; which would be kind of a deathblow to the idea that perhaps Bjerg is a pickban genius. I think competent management, even if they wanted to transition Bjerg to coach and not waste money, would tend to at best hire him in an associate / assistant role there first while having him shadow a well known and previously successful coach. Although... given that TSM has had bad pick ban and inconsistent performance for years now, I dont think it would be fair to assume TSM has competent management, either. Be interesting to see what happens mid. Hard to imagine a world where TSM doesn't have a marquee midlaner. I wonder if with rumors of Perks wanting to play mid... dare I say it.... TSM Perks? | ||
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If Perkz goes to NA, I will eat a shoe. | ||
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Also as a general rule taken from Sports, typically the most talented players tend to be awful coaches; Just ask Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan. Most good coaches are usually yeoman type veterans that could barely hack it playing the game at all, or people that didn't play at all. | ||
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On October 25 2020 05:02 Sent. wrote: TSM Uma Jan would be hilarious. If Jiizuke and PoE could find success in NA, so can Perkz. To a degree, it even makes sense, considering Perkz won't find better conditions anywhere in Europe and G2 won't let him trade positions with Caps again. I think it's more likely than Fnatic Perkz. I just can't imagine him in their jersey. I really hope that does not happen. I care less and less about NA and dont want more players to disappear there. Maybe the wage gap between NA and EU closes somewhat since LCS teams should realize their wages are unsustainable and dont lead to corresponding success. | ||
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On October 25 2020 05:23 Redox wrote: I really hope that does not happen. I care less and less about NA and dont want more players to disappear there. Maybe the wage gap between NA and EU closes somewhat since LCS teams should realize their wages are unsustainable and dont lead to corresponding success. I don't think Fnatic Perkz would work out and I think it's possible that G2 could be better with a different adc (notice how this year's Perkz didn't bring any must-ban AP bot laners). With all that in mind I wouldn't mind Perkz moving to NA to increase the level of play there, just like the other EU mids I mentioned did. I also don't think NA wages are unsustainable. Only thing the constant complaining about NA salaries being too high can achieve is that the said money will go to team owners' pockets instead of players. It's not NA players' fault that their region's league is much more attractive to sponsors than Europe. The wage gap might close in the future, but that will because of the European scene(s) improving, not because of NA orgs lowering its allegedly inflated numbers. | ||
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On October 25 2020 05:36 Sent. wrote: I don't think Fnatic Perkz would work out and I think it's possible that G2 could be better with a different adc (notice how this year's Perkz didn't bring any must-ban AP bot laners). With all that in mind I wouldn't mind Perkz moving to NA to increase the level of play there, just like the other EU mids I mentioned did. I also don't think NA wages are unsustainable. Only thing the constant complaining about NA salaries being too high can achieve is that the said money will go to team owners' pockets instead of players. It's not NA players' fault that their region's league is much more attractive to sponsors than Europe. The wage gap might close in the future, but that will because of the European scene(s) improving, not because of NA orgs lowering its allegedly inflated numbers. Well you are implying that this money actually comes from sponsors. I rather think it is for the most part from investors which is why I think it is unsustainable. I think the biggest difference between NA and EU is the availability of venture capital, much more than sponsors. But at some point even that capital runs out. | ||
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At least for Hockey, I would say nearly all of what I would consider the best NHL coaches of all time (or atleast, the last 30 years) are coaches that more or less were bad hockey players. NHL hall of fame coaches like Scotty Bowman, Punch Imlach, Pat Burns, Ken Hitchcock, Barry Trotz, Mike Keenan, John Tortorella and Glen Sather all never played the game professionally. Guys like Al Arbour, Joel Quenville, Bob Hartley, Pat Quinn, Dave Tippet, Todd McLellan, Peter Laviolette, Alain Vigneault, and Don Cherry all were more or less replacement level players or worse. You combine those two lists and its more or less the top 30 best coaches in NHL history. In fact, the only good NHL coach i can think of that had any real success as a player is Jacques Lemaire. The only good exNHL player right now out of 31 NHL coaches is Rodd Brindamour, and as much as he was a star player, he was not the most talented fellow. More a huhi level talent than a Bjergson level talent. American Football is notorious for guys that couldn't cut it being top coaches; guys like Tomlin or Belichek. I can't think of a single successful pro basketball player that is a successful NBA coach. Hell, even top boxing coaches like Cus D'Mato (never boxed professionally) and Freddie Roach (a top 10 contender for about a year in the worst boxing association) were mediocre boxers. Even if you narrow the field and only look at eSports; all the good coaches have been bad players. kKoma couldn't make an LCK team in S1. Reapered was replaced immediately. Yamato was not a good player. Jatt had to cheat to see success as a player. I can't think of a single prolific starleague coach that was a good player. Grabbz never played pro LoL. Zefa was a LCK sub. Crescent was always an LPL sub. cvMAX was never more than a sub in the LCK. Homme was a sub in the LCK. YoungBuck was never a really prolific player, and was an assistant coach for years prior to becoming head coach. Thats basically all the top contending coaches at worlds this year. Idk, I think that its possible Bjerg could be an exception, but the overwhelming trend is that those who are good at executing aren't the best at coaching, thinking, or leading. And think about it; if the execution is natural to you, you don't need to think about it. You don't need to achieve a fundamental understanding, you just do it because it comes natural to you; when it is natural to you, and you dont need to think about it to achieve it, how do you explain and teach that to someone else? The answer is usually that you can't; atleast not as well as the people who needed to understand and try damn hard to barely cut it. | ||
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On October 25 2020 08:28 Gahlo wrote: Another thing to take into account is that western players are incredibly dismissive of coaches they think don't know the game well enough, something that isn't the case with Bjergsen. As much as I like Berg (the only player I like on TSM). Making him head coach doesn't make sense. This falls under the old boys club and I agree with the person above. Just because you're a good player doesn't mean you will make a good coach. Also to the guy saying top 3 mid in NA. That doesn't mean much when you are lifting the rest of your team on your back 80% of the time. I admire guys who call it quits when they are still good. | ||
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On October 26 2020 02:33 StarStruck wrote: As much as I like Berg (the only player I like on TSM). Making him head coach doesn't make sense. This falls under the old boys club and I agree with the person above. Just because you're a good player doesn't mean you will make a good coach. Also to the guy saying top 3 mid in NA. That doesn't mean much when you are lifting the rest of your team on your back 80% of the time. I admire guys who call it quits when they are still good. Just because he's a good player doesn't mean he's going to be a bad coach either. I know that dynamic is *generally* true in traditional sports, but I don't think it matter anywhere near as much in esports. Considering how hard he was carrying the team in general when he was given the lowest counterpick % in the entire world, still being at least top 3 in the region says a lot. | ||
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On October 26 2020 02:55 Gahlo wrote: Just because he's a good player doesn't mean he's going to be a bad coach either. I know that dynamic is *generally* true in traditional sports, but I don't think it matter anywhere near as much in esports. Considering how hard he was carrying the team in general when he was given the lowest counterpick % in the entire world, still being at least top 3 in the region says a lot. This is how I feel as well, the short answer is we don't know how good of a coach he will be. Numerous players have transitioned to coaching positions, especially the early veterans who fell off when LoL really started becoming big: - Rapidstar went to C9 - Woong was on HLE (but that was a crappy team) - Krepo was on G2 and VIT until he fucked up - PDD is a successful owner who supposedly has a good eye for talent (i.e YM jungle gods) - Cain coaches TL - Clearlove coaches EDG These are just the people from S2 Worlds, there's a lot more examples | ||
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Tbh, with Alphari leaving, the OG roster looks pretty lackluster outside of Upset and Xerxe, so I hope they find better teams too. I'm hoping that the top EU talent condenses into 3-4 teams this year,, MAD and RGE need better top laners and FNC needs a better midlaner. Personal wish is to see Perkz move to FNC mid, and Upset replaces him in G2. | ||
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On October 25 2020 07:03 iCanada wrote: Meta and Zidane, sure. I do think they are the exception rather than the rule though. I'd say it's more common for a guy like Ralph Krueger to come from nowhere and be a successful coach. At least for Hockey, I would say nearly all of what I would consider the best NHL coaches of all time (or atleast, the last 30 years) are coaches that more or less were bad hockey players. NHL hall of fame coaches like Scotty Bowman, Punch Imlach, Pat Burns, Ken Hitchcock, Barry Trotz, Mike Keenan, John Tortorella and Glen Sather all never played the game professionally. Guys like Al Arbour, Joel Quenville, Bob Hartley, Pat Quinn, Dave Tippet, Todd McLellan, Peter Laviolette, Alain Vigneault, and Don Cherry all were more or less replacement level players or worse. You combine those two lists and its more or less the top 30 best coaches in NHL history. In fact, the only good NHL coach i can think of that had any real success as a player is Jacques Lemaire. The only good exNHL player right now out of 31 NHL coaches is Rodd Brindamour, and as much as he was a star player, he was not the most talented fellow. More a huhi level talent than a Bjergson level talent. American Football is notorious for guys that couldn't cut it being top coaches; guys like Tomlin or Belichek. I can't think of a single successful pro basketball player that is a successful NBA coach. Hell, even top boxing coaches like Cus D'Mato (never boxed professionally) and Freddie Roach (a top 10 contender for about a year in the worst boxing association) were mediocre boxers. Even if you narrow the field and only look at eSports; all the good coaches have been bad players. kKoma couldn't make an LCK team in S1. Reapered was replaced immediately. Yamato was not a good player. Jatt had to cheat to see success as a player. I can't think of a single prolific starleague coach that was a good player. Grabbz never played pro LoL. Zefa was a LCK sub. Crescent was always an LPL sub. cvMAX was never more than a sub in the LCK. Homme was a sub in the LCK. YoungBuck was never a really prolific player, and was an assistant coach for years prior to becoming head coach. Thats basically all the top contending coaches at worlds this year. Idk, I think that its possible Bjerg could be an exception, but the overwhelming trend is that those who are good at executing aren't the best at coaching, thinking, or leading. And think about it; if the execution is natural to you, you don't need to think about it. You don't need to achieve a fundamental understanding, you just do it because it comes natural to you; when it is natural to you, and you dont need to think about it to achieve it, how do you explain and teach that to someone else? The answer is usually that you can't; atleast not as well as the people who needed to understand and try damn hard to barely cut it. Counterpoint on NBA: Larry Bird, Jerry Sloan, and Steve Kerr all became great coaches while being great players. Statistically, I don't know if there'd be difference between great player to coach vs poor player to coach. Overall, I like the move. Like someone already said, there's an issue in NA with players even listening to coaches in the first place. I think given Bjergsen's ownership + his legacy, he'd be one of the few people capable of coaching players who tend to look down on coaches. Having watched Bjerg's streams, I also think he's very self-aware and diligent when it comes to noting mistakes and places for improvement. I hope it works out for him because, honestly, I think League needs more ex-pros as coach or at least Dia+ players to become coach. | ||
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On October 28 2020 01:01 Slusher wrote: but Bjergsen has been essentially the coach of tsm for the last 5 years for the exact same reasons you stated, and it’s been a pattern of underperforming skill and making the same mistakes This is basically the same situation Regi was in. He had to run the team and play. He couldn't do both well enough at the same time, so he stepped back to run the team and got Bjerg to play. Parth is fucking incompetent, so Bjergsen had to play and coach. He can't do both well enough at the same time, so he's stepping baack from playing. The coaching carousel is a result of Parth ineptitude in either a) hiring the wrong people(Ssong) or b) fucking with the team and alienating the coach's ability to do their job(Zikz). | ||
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On October 28 2020 12:45 Turbovolver wrote: Where do I go to read all these details about e.g. Parth being inept, or Regi supposedly being a narcissistic leader? I know some of it can be inferred from team performance over longer timeframes but it sometimes feels like there's a whole layer of gossip I'm missing out on. A lot of the "inference" comes from a few key moments and from TSM's reality show following the team which must be the oldest in LoL esports (at least oldest continuous throughout a season as opposed to a tournament vlog). One of the main things was Regi taking over any time things went out of hand. Another was Parth taking credit for "finding" these supposed hidden gems which everybody already knew about. | ||
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I agree that TSM's coaching staff never looked particularly good from the outside. For example Locodoco wouldn't shut up on streams/interviews. But it's hard to say what actually went on behind the scenes, Parth is still on the team so someone at TSM must think he's doing a good enough job. | ||
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as a player, Bjergsen more than makes up for the liability that is his coaching because he is such a good mid laner. As a head coach I'd be less than interested in hiring him, IF MY SUSPICIONS are correct. Now TSM would know if I'm right or wrong so maybe I'm just wrong and that's why they are promoting him directly to head coach instead of an assistant or strategy coach first. But I think I'm right and that's why I've been saying I don't like this move. | ||
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I'm leaning on the latter honestly. Not a fan of the move and it has all the signs of a pending disaster waiting to happen. Going to call it now, LastShadow leaves the team after a split for whatever reason (mental stress, poor results, etc.). He's never stayed long wherever he goes to begin with, and I feel he's going to crumble under the weight of the expectations that come with being a part of a major market team. | ||
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some early reactions to the news: http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=246584&iskin=esports http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=246601&iskin=esports (this article quotes joe marsh saying an announcement will be made next week) the comments are generally: you kicked out coach kim for these guys? t1 is an entertainment company now next season is fked. if admin doesnt get their shit together there wont be any point left in rooting for t1 the coach (ls) is the bigger problem than the appointment of the head coach they picked ls even after the shit he pulled with bbq one and untara? etc etc. safe to say joe marsh is not receiving much plaudits for this decision and polt/ls (ls in particular) do not have good standing amongst korean t1 fans already. even worse is that the season has only officially just finished but t1 is ready to make an announcement imminently meaning joe marsh was set on this way before he even looked at better candidates during the transfer window. ive been a skt fan since i started posting at tl and this is the least interested i have been in this team's success. what an absolute farce. wish skt would just kick comcast out and take the team back tbh the last paragraph was me though | ||
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I don't like LS, and his achievements aren't exactly positive, but I think he would be a decent analyst. Let him feed into PB, just don't let him be on stage making the final decisions, post above is right when they said he loves to speak in absolutes which is so dumb in a game as complex as LoL. I don't know remember a thing about SC2 except that he was on Prime. He's never been a LoL pro, but this goes back to my original argument that a Head Coach isn't there for just game knowledge, he's also there to make sure everything around the team is running smoothly, i.e. administrative decisions and team mental. Anyone is better than Coach Kim. | ||
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Really sad to see Perkz leaving for NA, massive loss for EU. If G2 manages to win Worlds without him, it will be such a bittersweet moment. | ||
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I just hope G2 finds an adc that can gel as well with them as Perkz did. Also, Nemesis will be gone for Fnatic, which means another (hopefully) upgrade for their roster. Seems like NA could have 2 quarter/semi finalists and EU as well. 2021 could be a very spicy year for the West. | ||
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If Perkz joins C9, it might be the best NA team in a while and they could definitely make quarters at Worlds, but I don't see the other NA teams picking up the pace. Same with EU, G2 has to first find a new ADC and FNC needs a world class mid laner (Nemesis is better than most LEC mid laners) , it's not garaunteed they will find replacements. And the EU rookie teams fell flat at Worlds this year, nothing indicates they are going to dramatically improve. | ||
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Barely anyone jokes about CLG today, when it's hard to remember the last time they were good. Would suck if TSM followed their steps. | ||
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On November 14 2020 04:17 Slusher wrote: Perkz to an EU contender would do way more to strengthen the west, but I don’t blame him either. Isn't really his choice. He had to be bought out. | ||
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Were there any rumors about who might be G2's new adc? I think I saw someone mention Upset, but that was probably just a baseless wish. | ||
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Point is G2 needs a strong ADC, if Carlos sells Perkz and gets a budget player the fanbase meltdown will be just as bad as what you are seeing with T1, and probably hit his brand massively. | ||
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Actually in retrospect, the team's biggest problem was their terrible synergy that they didn't even overcome until the TES series. So never mind | ||
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Wonder if they even considered Jiizuke, that would be either a huge upgrade or a huge disaster. | ||
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Also for anyone who wants an update on the T1 LS situation, this is the best we have. Looks like T1 gave in to their radical fans and rescinded/never gave the offer to LS. Extremely fucked up situation all around, dude doesn't deserve to have him and his grandma tortured because a fucking video gaming team wants to hire him to do work | ||
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On November 15 2020 06:38 chipmonklord17 wrote: Bang, Kumo, GoldenGlue out of EG Also for anyone who wants an update on the T1 LS situation, this is the best we have. Looks like T1 gave in to their radical fans and rescinded/never gave the offer to LS. Extremely fucked up situation all around, dude doesn't deserve to have him and his grandma tortured because a fucking video gaming team wants to hire him to do work My hot takes: 1. LS wouldn't even be considered for the job(s) if the person's in charge first language was Korean. 2. LS's reaction proves he's incapable of handling pressure. Compare him to Doublelift who just shrugs whenever randoms on discord or reddit crticise him. Note that those randoms had legitimate reasons to do that this year while LS haters had to bring up things from the past. Talented or not, he's not someone you'd want to lead your team. 3. Hiring Western personalities in the Korean scene is ridiculous and shows prioritizing short term gains over long term growth. TomatoCanyon and LS hirings were PR stunts. 4. It's weird how Korean and Chinese scenes are both more developed and more immature than Western scenes. None of this shit would matter in Europe or NA. | ||
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On November 15 2020 08:44 Sent. wrote: My hot takes: 1. LS wouldn't even be considered for the job(s) if the person's in charge first language was Korean. 2. LS's reaction proves he's incapable of handling pressure. Compare him to Doublelift who just shrugs whenever randoms on discord or reddit crticise him. Note that those randoms had legitimate reasons to do that this year while LS haters had to bring up things from the past. Talented or not, he's not someone you'd want to lead your team. 3. Hiring Western personalities in the Korean scene is ridiculous and shows prioritizing short term gains over long term growth. TomatoCanyon and LS hirings were PR stunts. 4. It's weird how Korean and Chinese scenes are both more developed and more immature than Western scenes. None of this shit would matter in Europe or NA. A lot of proud KR 'fanboys' can't handle others being better than their lovable players and coaches. Sad honestly. | ||
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Pretty disgusting roster, should definitely contend with Fudge/Blabber/Perkz/Zven/Vulcan | ||
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IMT: Tony Top [Top Laner] CLG: Yeon (Former 100X) [ADC] Dig: Copy (Former 100X) [Mid] GG (acquired the pick that would have been 100T): Niles (Played for Maryville in Collegiate) [Top] EG: Tomio [Jungler] GG: (their actual pick): Yunbee [Mid] C9: Shady (former P1) [Support] TL: Spawn [adc] FQ: Nxi (Former 100X) [Jungler] TSM: Shoryu (Former TL.A) [Adc] Kind of surprised that 100T after creating 100X, kept just 2 of their players, then didn't actually draft anyone here. FlyQuest picking a jungler makes sense given Santorin is out | ||
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On November 15 2020 06:38 chipmonklord17 wrote: Bang, Kumo, GoldenGlue out of EG Also for anyone who wants an update on the T1 LS situation, this is the best we have. Looks like T1 gave in to their radical fans and rescinded/never gave the offer to LS. Extremely fucked up situation all around, dude doesn't deserve to have him and his grandma tortured because a fucking video gaming team wants to hire him to do work do you have a source for the apparent "torture"? | ||
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On November 15 2020 10:02 chipmonklord17 wrote: TL roster is unofficially Alphari/Santorin/Jensen/Tactical/CoreJJ Pretty disgusting roster, should definitely contend with Fudge/Blabber/Perkz/Zven/Vulcan If TL doesn't win both splits this year them somebody needs to be fired. | ||
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On November 15 2020 11:23 evilfatsh1t wrote: do you have a source for the apparent "torture"? Here is Nemesis referencing since deleted tweets from Bwipo, that were discussing a leaked Discord log including T1 Staff. Here's a video of it being discussed that people were threatening his grandmother. Here's another one. | ||
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based on your other links its pretty safe to say "torture" is being overly dramatic. are there even any other sources about ls' grandma being harrassed besides that one comment from nemesis? | ||
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On November 15 2020 17:02 evilfatsh1t wrote: not sure how that t1 tweet from sep 3 is relevant? i know specifically what that tweet is referring to and it isnt ls, its comments made against faker and his grandma on his stream. based on your other links its pretty safe to say "torture" is being overly dramatic. are there even any other sources about ls' grandma being harrassed besides that one comment from nemesis? if you go into that thread there's a dude posting receipts from a discord were its happening. I don't know what to tell you man. I get it, you clearly don't like LS. I don't know what else to say. I sent 2 videos, a screenshot from the discord, and 2 people tweeting about it. | ||
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Besides this looking like a budget team, note the absence of Upset. Wonder who will pick him up. | ||
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On November 16 2020 05:26 Uldridge wrote: Wait where did Broxah go? Rumormill is CLG. | ||
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Players from Oceania aren't supposed to take up import slots starting from the next season too. | ||
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Hauntzer out of GGS And yeah that CLG roster looks like another year of bottom of the pack. All they have to do is avoid bottom 2 (or was it just last?) for a split to avoid the "getting looked at for removal" portion of the franchising agreement. Assuming anyone cares about it anymore | ||
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On November 16 2020 07:58 Sent. wrote: Maybe they're cheaper? I assume Pobelter and Damonte demanded more than Eika and Ryoma. Players from Oceania aren't supposed to take up import slots starting from the next season too. That’s what I’m trying to say although I think I made it unclear by using sea instead of oce. If you can’t secure a top 5 roster you should play 5 cheap, high upside risky non imports. You should not be paying to import 2 EU players and starting Pobelter | ||
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FQ buys Licorice, Palafox and Diamond for LCS Broxah to CLG | ||
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Licorice, Josedeodo, Palafox, [ ] , Diamond They currently have Deftly, but are still shopping for talent TSM pursing SwordArt but are getting held up by intercontinental bureaucracy Destiny to IMT | ||
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By no means is he a bad support, but I have a feeling this is going to turn out more Yellowstar than CoreJJ. Though, I think rather than being that bad, it's just going to fall somewhere in-between where SwordArt will have his good days, but his sad days as well. Though if it means more SwordArt Alistar showings, that'll be fun. He's always been fun on that champion. | ||
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On November 18 2020 14:36 evilfatsh1t wrote: keria joining t1 is a pretty big surprise. effort really shit the bed on a few occasions so i definitely think keria is an upgrade, but hes not THAT big of an upgrade. seeing as how all t1 players are currently on multi year deals and therefore no one is being let go, seems like a pretty big investment on t1's part. Effort shits the bed in crucial moments tho (his mechanics are as good if not better than keria he just has a shit mental). Big upgrade IMO and with some growth in key areas will push SKT to be a far more consistent team | ||
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1) Perkz 2) Nisqy 3) Himself role swapped He also had suggested getting a new jungler as well, because he discussed that 2020 FNC was horribly uncoordinated and attributed at least part of that to the disconnect between Selfmade and Nemesis | ||
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On November 19 2020 04:28 Sent. wrote: Did Bwipo really openly say he suggested kicking Selfmade while he's still on the team? It's also hard to believe Bwipo mid was a seriously considered option. Yes. He openly said he suggested Jankos <--> Selfmade openly, to Selfmade's face. He said the reason why Nisqy works is that if Selfmade is going to be a selfish jungler, Nisqy is the best option because he'll facilitate the jungler. So he didn't say "kick Selfmade" as much as suggest iterations of the roster with different mids and junglers. Legit watch this stream. Its been by far the most interesting episode of any league show ever. Bwipo goes in detail of specifically why not Lider, why Nisqy, his potential roleswap, etc. His insight into the lens in which EU should pick mids is so insightful | ||
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On the complete other side of the spectrum, potential for GGS Stixxay Also probably a good time to mention if Bwipo had gotten his way in the Selfmade <--> Jankos trade G2 could have potentially been Wunder/SelfMade/Caps/Rekkles/Mikyx. And FNC could (not really because G2 froze them out but still) have had Perkz. I want to live in the FNC Bwipo/Jankos/Perkz/Upset/Hyli vs G2 Wunder/Selfmade/Caps/Rekkles/Mikyx Universe please, or the Bwipo/Selfmade/Perkz/Rekkles/Hyli one. | ||
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On November 19 2020 01:13 chipmonklord17 wrote: Speaking of Korean supports, Ben retired. I always considered him to be pretty good, wonder if it was military service WE broke my boy | ||
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Apparently he has a daughter (and presumably a wife) in China that he's returning to. So its at least a happy ending | ||
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Also TSM SwordArt is in jeopardy as US/China relations may fuck over his contract. If the deal falls through DoubleLift might not play, ruining the EG Huni and EG Lost deals | ||
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On November 19 2020 22:11 chipmonklord17 wrote: Its honestly super shitty that G2 froze FNC out and wouldn't let them talk to Perkz but because Rekkles happened to be at the end of his contract FNC couldn't do the same. If the agreement was a swap it would feel less shitty, but that's the way the world works. Also TSM SwordArt is in jeopardy as US/China relations may fuck over his contract. If the deal falls through DoubleLift might not play, ruining the EG Huni and EG Lost deals I kind of hope it does fall through so Parth loses his fucking job. | ||
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On November 21 2020 01:06 LightningStrike wrote: Rekkles has officially joined G2 Caps and Rekkles reunited again, just on another team. oh boy can't wait to see G2's performance next year | ||
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Santorin and Alphari officially joins TL | ||
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Perkz took a pay cut to the tune of 7 figures to join C9 - Source: Jack | ||
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7 figure pay cut sounds crazy, until you remember that Perkz was probably being paid millions on G2 anyway. It's not like he went from 1.5 million to 500k, he's already set for life, and C9 wants to make him a franchise player so he's going to be raking in cash for a few more years. | ||
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I have doubts about that statement. I think it's something that might be technically correct but is purposely omitting other details like potential income not included in the salary. | ||
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On November 21 2020 20:49 Sent. wrote: But why would Perkz take a pay cut if it was G2 who "sold" him to C9? I mean he had a contract with G2 and that's why he couldn't go to Fnatic, why would he agree to "renew" his contract on worse terms with C9? I have doubts about that statement. I think it's something that might be technically correct but is purposely omitting other details like potential income not included in the salary. Part of the deal was probably that he takes a pay cut, considering his buyout was rumored to be 5m. | ||
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On November 21 2020 22:54 DarkCore wrote: I don't think Perkz had zero say in this situation, Carlos would be a monkey if he decided to burn all bridges with the 2nd most popular player in the LEC (after Rekkles) and sold him completely against his will. This situation likely arose because Perkz wanted to play mid, and Carlos might be able to stop him from going to FNC (and maybe LEC in general), but if NA teams are willing to offer big money then he will sell him. G2: You have C9 on your list of teams you're willing to go to that we're willing to send you to so you can play mid again, but C9 wants you to take a paycut because they're buying you out. Otherwise you're gonna stay here next season. Perkz: Fine by me. | ||
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On November 22 2020 00:56 Sent. wrote: Signing PoE after Bjergsen's retirement is like best out of worst case scenario for TSM, wouldn't you agree? Losing BrokenBlade shouldn't hurt too much either. Short of players like Perkz and highly touted Koreans he was the best case scenario. From a business perspective, the price of signing the other players over POE isn't worth the skill disparty as well. The rest of the roster is a dumpster fire though. | ||
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I am also surprised Licorice is off C9, I thought he was highly regarded. But C9 has usally made pretty good roster decisions. | ||
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Memes aside I'm actually glad a team is actually using franchising to try and give new players a chance and develop talent. Huge props | ||
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TLDR: - Apology to Untara - Feels like he should have handled the Malice vs Untara situation better. Wanted to support Malice (didn't know he said something racist just thought he was being toxic) - Story about living in KR for 10 years (remembers a kind Korean lady gave him discounts on mandu [oh its kr dumplings] when he was homeless) - Apologises for not communicating with his friends and then other problems arising - Originally joined as a content creator, then he said there was an option to be a coach - Decided against being a coach eventually. Staying as a content creator with T1 | ||
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I have never known the era surrounding the controversy around him. I do think I used to find him unprofessional on air and especially during his streams/videos (call it Western or American arrogance), however he showed some growth as a commentator and even enjoyed listening to him somewhat. No one really deserves to suffer in life, no matter how inundated in toxicity one is. | ||
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https://tsm.gg/news/tsm-2021-lcs-coaching-staff-announcement I still don't get that T1 discord thing btw. Was LS harassed there by T1 employees or just random fans? Why did that matter at all? | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:43 Sent. wrote: Hmm where is Parth... https://tsm.gg/news/tsm-2021-lcs-coaching-staff-announcement I still don't get that T1 discord thing btw. Was LS harassed there by T1 employees or just random fans? Why did that matter at all? Parth is the GM. He was only coach last year because he was incompetent enough to not hire one. | ||
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On November 24 2020 22:42 Uldridge wrote: I've seen glimpses of this video, he looks.. dehydrated/sick. Whatever happened to him, I hope he recovers fully. I have never known the era surrounding the controversy around him. I do think I used to find him unprofessional on air and especially during his streams/videos (call it Western or American arrogance), however he showed some growth as a commentator and even enjoyed listening to him somewhat. No one really deserves to suffer in life, no matter how inundated in toxicity one is. I agree he looks pretty down. The guy had an insane streaming/casting schedule this year which was quite clearly not healthy at all. I also agree that LS has improved immensely as a caster. I found him rather insufferable at first and would often mute the stream but now I don't mind him. I still dislike his stream persona but he is one of the few streamers that focuses entirely on analytical content so I have to give him props for that. Does anyone else think Bjerg wouldn't be that good of a head coach. He doesn't strike me as one. Reminds me of a Messi-type captain (for a sports analogy) where it's lead by example rather than be the leading voice. I believe that was one of TSM's main problems as a team. I couldn't imagine Messi as a coach either. | ||
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On the LS Topic I felt similar on his casting, I hated it, then I actually kinda liked it, then it got kinda old for me, I felt like when the item specialist thing got big I though he leaned into it a bit to hard for me personally(separate from it was proably correct in terms of mass popularity). But none of that really matters I feel bad for him, the way he got treated, for accepting a job that any of the people who shit on him would take in a second if offered. | ||
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Edit: From the TSM subreddit. ![[image loading]](https://preview.redd.it/dpi1ipr6jg161.jpg?width=768&auto=webp&s=6d43dc87c8472f1b3b45b648fd0034ab96799ac8) | ||
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He's been checked out for years, I don't care what he says. | ||
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On November 26 2020 09:14 Turbovolver wrote: Kinda sad I won't get to see him further slide into irrelevancy. Still laughing my ass off, though. He's been checked out for years, I don't care what he says. still won 4 in a row until this year, and won his last split, better than any NA adc so far | ||
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On November 26 2020 10:54 AzAlexZ wrote: still won 4 in a row until this year, and won his last split, better than any NA adc so far Better results, sure. The harder argument to make is that the last couple of years wasn't his rep and admittedly strong historical performance getting him onto strong teams where he could be mediocre and rack up results. Not that I want to make a super strong claim on his level of gameplay because I imagine others would be better judges... but it's undeniable he was literally benched by one such good team for poor motivation. And it's almost certainly the case that he's now going out on as high a note as he can cuz he knows he's washed up. I also wouldn't be shocked if he surprised TSM with the news, too. Was no great fan of the personality I saw in his stream with LS. | ||
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2020/11/26/swordart-tsm-contract/ | ||
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On November 27 2020 00:06 Gahlo wrote: Scuttlebutt is that Sword Art has finally, officially, signed with TSM. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2020/11/26/swordart-tsm-contract/ OK hang on, but if the SwordArt move is going ahead, what was DL doing with all the "I'm not playing unless you can get SwordArt" stuff like a week ago? Seems like he did just spring it on people after all. | ||
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Also I have to say that I think that Upset/Hyli is a more synergistic botlane than Rekkles/Hyli, even if I'm a bigger fan of Rekkles staying on FNC than leaving, I do think the Upset/Hyli bot lane has great potential | ||
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As for NA teams, Veteran said that a lot of players that still have any drive to compete don't want to go to NA unless it's to a team they think can make Worlds - typically being C9, TL, and TSM - and they all have mid laners already. | ||
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On November 30 2020 05:43 chipmonklord17 wrote: Highest paid player in LCS history (higher than Perkz) as per Jacob Wolf's sources. The real question is how the fuck did TSM miss SofM Because Parth. TSM could have had Tactical or Johnsun and SoFM last year instead of Kobbe and Dardoch. Absolutely insane. | ||
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DL suggests Palette and SwordArt as possible supports TSM tries to get SwordArt and says "we probably can't get him, will you play with Palette?" "no" DL retires and SwordArt is picked up Shitty attitude tbh. Also apparently Rekkles promised Fnatic he'd stay and then hopped to G2, although he doesn't elaborate further. He definitely could have meant something to the effect of "I promised I'd retire there" and not that he directly promised this split that he'd stay, but he definitely is framing himself in a super shitty light | ||
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On December 03 2020 10:11 chipmonklord17 wrote: DoubleLift's own account of what occurred this off season DL suggests Palette and SwordArt as possible supports TSM tries to get SwordArt and says "we probably can't get him, will you play with Palette?" "no" DL retires and SwordArt is picked up Shitty attitude tbh. Also apparently Rekkles promised Fnatic he'd stay and then hopped to G2, although he doesn't elaborate further. He definitely could have meant something to the effect of "I promised I'd retire there" and not that he directly promised this split that he'd stay, but he definitely is framing himself in a super shitty light Yeah, most charitable take I've seen on the DL thing is that he didn't know Palette didn't speak English when he suggested him. Either way, it's still not good and I'm glad he retired. Didn't even want him back on the team in the first place. | ||
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On December 03 2020 10:11 chipmonklord17 wrote: DoubleLift's own account of what occurred this off season DL suggests Palette and SwordArt as possible supports TSM tries to get SwordArt and says "we probably can't get him, will you play with Palette?" "no" DL retires and SwordArt is picked up Shitty attitude tbh. Also apparently Rekkles promised Fnatic he'd stay and then hopped to G2, although he doesn't elaborate further. He definitely could have meant something to the effect of "I promised I'd retire there" and not that he directly promised this split that he'd stay, but he definitely is framing himself in a super shitty light unprofessional and incompetent all round. doublelift has shown his professionalism (or lack thereof) previously so its no surprise, but also the fact that the organisation is looking for doublelifts permission to sign someone is why theyre never gonna go anywhere internationally. the head coachs job is to determine what kind of player to bring in and how to utilise the players. its not your adc's call, no matter how big of a star he is. the other players might have their opinions but ultimately they should just let the head coach and whoevers in charge of transfers do their thing and go with whatever the results are. | ||
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On December 03 2020 14:18 evilfatsh1t wrote: unprofessional and incompetent all round. doublelift has shown his professionalism (or lack thereof) previously so its no surprise, but also the fact that the organisation is looking for doublelifts permission to sign someone is why theyre never gonna go anywhere internationally. the head coachs job is to determine what kind of player to bring in and how to utilise the players. its not your adc's call, no matter how big of a star he is. the other players might have their opinions but ultimately they should just let the head coach and whoevers in charge of transfers do their thing and go with whatever the results are. That's actually the GM's job. | ||
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EDIT: Okay I posted that before I'd fully digested things but... no regrets. | ||
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On December 03 2020 14:34 AdsMoFro wrote: Was this a roundabout way to throw more shots at Parth Two birds with one stone. | ||
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i dunno how tsms org specifically works and what titles they have in the org, but in any other sporting team (esports or traditional) it would be the head coach/managers job. im assuming tsm's gm position is a bit like t1's ceo position? thats not a role i would consider qualified to make decisions about which player to bring to the team. that role is for negotiating a transfer after the decision has been made | ||
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On December 03 2020 22:43 chipmonklord17 wrote: Not to dogpile on the TSM incompetence, but does anyone else think its extremely weird that TSM grabbed Huni from EG while Impact was a free agent? Did Impact not want to join TSM? Did they pull an xmithie where they thought he wouldnt be good before he joined TL? It can't be money can it? I just don't understand how you skip out on free agent impact for buy out huni I wouldn't say it's "extremely" weird. I'm probably underrating Impact, I certainly did in the past, but I still think he's just a solid player nearing the end of his career. Huni on the other hand is 3 years younger than him and apparatenly impresses everyone in tryouts, so it's not that weird that some teams might value Huni higher than Impact despite much worse results in recent years. | ||
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In other region news I'm honestly shocked that TOP didn't boot Yuyanjia. Not calling for his head, but with China's depth and the fact that he was far and away their weak link I'm just surprised there isn't a rookie taking his place at the very least. T1 signs multi year deal with Red Bull. | ||
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On December 04 2020 02:34 chipmonklord17 wrote: To be fair, so did a player like GoldenGlue, but years of on stage performance tells a different story. But that's a good point. In other region news I'm honestly shocked that TOP didn't boot Yuyanjia. Not calling for his head, but with China's depth and the fact that he was far and away their weak link I'm just surprised there isn't a rookie taking his place at the very least. T1 signs multi year deal with Red Bull. True, there are a few veteran supports in CN that could easily replace him, or some rookie from LSPL. Maybe JL sees something in him? TES needs to reflect on their Worlds performance, their weaknesses got hard exposed (JDG even more...). | ||
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On December 03 2020 22:43 chipmonklord17 wrote: Not to dogpile on the TSM incompetence, but does anyone else think its extremely weird that TSM grabbed Huni from EG while Impact was a free agent? Did Impact not want to join TSM? Did they pull an xmithie where they thought he wouldnt be good before he joined TL? It can't be money can it? I just don't understand how you skip out on free agent impact for buy out huni Impact and DL didn't get along towards the end of DL's time on TL. Apparently, it's where the rift between him and the rest of the roster started. So, with DL delaying his departure Impact was a non-starter and now that DL's gone it's too late. | ||
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The wiki also says that cvMax is resuspended from the Griffin case but I can't find any english sources yet | ||
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Instead of the spring split playoffs they'll have the Mid Season Showdown....which is exactly the same thing as spring play offs. Still best of 1s regular season. | ||
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imo it should either be 1) more teams than 10 participating 2) you can only use X number of players from your starting roster Preferably option 1 because I don't really want to watch Frankenstein rosters, I want to watch Academy teams get to fight against LCS teams at least once in a year. What, are they afraid that C9.A is going to shitstomp bottom tier LCS? | ||
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It also defeats the actual purpose of the kespa/NEST/Douyu cups. I will admit its a little different because, due to franchising, the other team spots wouldn't be going to a Jin Air/Runaways/ESC Ever back in the day, they'd be going to the Academy team of the same LCS teams, but in principle it still would show off talent. Hell, do bottom X LCS teams (to reward the top tier teams with a bit more vacation/prep time), top X Academy and top X amateur. Literally anything other than, here's the exact same teams you'll see play for the year | ||
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