Please do not nerf TP into non-viability, remove it or rework it. Making it into an item like Stopwatch is imo the way to go, that way late game becomes very interesting when a champion has to reconsider if they want to keep it over another item, and we can still get a BD.

Ex:
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TP Scroll
3 min start CD
300s CD between activations, single use
500g
Mastery that gives it to you at game start

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

July 07 2018 16:01 GMT

#44

Even before backpack the fact you could drop and pick up items was a big part of why tp scrolls worked .

Also tp is so powerful moving it to an item would ultimately be a buff because 10 people in every game would have tp

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

July 07 2018 16:11 GMT

#45

Yes, and making that an option is fine if it gets balanced. 500g for example would discourage people from just buying it for no reason, and also prevents the boring 'get whacked in top, recall and TP back to win lane' when your opponent runs ignite, since you trade gold for experience. It might lead to some crazy abuse early on, but it's Riots job to find a good balance between up and downsides.

It's either that, or remove it from the game. I'd be really interested in a season without TP. Summoner spells in general could do with some more variability, one of the few game mechanics that hasn't seen a full rework in years.

Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

July 07 2018 16:38 GMT

#46

On July 08 2018 01:01 Slusher wrote:
Even before backpack the fact you could drop and pick up items was a big part of why tp scrolls worked .

Also tp is so powerful moving it to an item would ultimately be a buff because 10 people in every game would have tp

Except you are giving up a full item slot to an item that is a one time use item slot.

You just need the cost to be high enough to not be abused early in that it disrupts builds.

Like 800g or something like that.

Nemireck

Canada1875 Posts

July 07 2018 23:47 GMT

#47

Or leave it alone with an increased CD so that it's not as mindless to use as an ARURF summoner the way it has been for 3 seasons.

General_Winter

United States719 Posts

July 09 2018 13:12 GMT

#48

https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/5f1BEaFw-new-versions-of-zombie-ward-and-ghost-poro-arrive-on-pbe

I really like the direction they are taking with Ghost Poro. The buff of being able to move through bushes as normal without messing up your existing poro is huge. The extra stats to reduce what you give up compared to eyeballs is nice too.

I think if this change goes through this would probably be my default rune for this slot. Being able to ward two gank paths at level 2-4 instead of just one is a big deal. Late game being able to have 5 wards on the map instead of 4 is a big increase in vision.

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

July 09 2018 18:16 GMT

#49

So basically strong duelist junglers that can invade early are going to start with half a longsword? Udyr and Shaco are going to be soloQ terrors. Lane bullies get half a longsword too? Free stats while diving? As much as I like Riot encouraging aggressive play, I'm not too sure of this one.

NpG)Explosive

France994 Posts

July 09 2018 18:33 GMT

#50

On July 10 2018 03:16 Jek wrote:
So basically strong duelist junglers that can invade early are going to start with half a longsword? Udyr and Shaco are going to be soloQ terrors. Lane bullies get half a longsword too? Free stats while diving? As much as I like Riot encouraging aggressive play, I'm not too sure of this one.

The 5-20 adaptive stats seems to be for AP (see picture), so it would less for AD. It's less stats than absolute focus which is not easy to maintain if you have a healthy clear.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

July 09 2018 20:57 GMT

#51

The biggest problem with old ghost Poro is the vision range is abysmal. I don’t think this changes anything for non predator keystone users.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

July 14 2018 22:09 GMT

#52

I really hope Riot doesn’t bend and just make adc the strongest by a lot again in the face of fanboys asking for it. The fact that they outright refuse to address support strength means that if crit adc becomes viable it will crowd out bot lane diversity instantly.

Also tanks struggling at the moment has the possibility of double dipping with tanks and crit getting buffed in the same patch.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

July 14 2018 22:37 GMT

#53

tanks aren't really weak per se its just the conqueror bruisers and ap kai'sas etc that just ignore all their tank stats

if you nerfed conqueror rageblade and kai'sa you'd probably see a ton more tanks

and when tanks get good its easier for crit adcs to be useful because without tanks its a lot easier to kill adcs or at least zone them out

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

July 14 2018 22:48 GMT

#54

I agree, maybe my wording was bad but what you are saying is exactly what I’m saying, only with I can see crit adc buffs happening in the same patch causing a very large swing in the usefulness of crit adc.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

July 14 2018 23:15 GMT

#55

I mean I don't think buffing crit adcs will nerf tanks
as I was saying things like ap kaisa varus and conqueror bruisers who do a ton of true or magic damage (jax darius fiora camile) are the real things killing tanks not crit adcs who can get cc'd or itemized against (randuins/fh/armour/hp)

if tanks are struggling and people are picking 3 bruiser 1 tank support and 1 mage it doesnt matter how strong crit adcs are you can just get hard dived on

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

July 15 2018 00:00 GMT

#56

The problem with tanks is they can't kill towers. It isn't that difficult to lane vs conqueror in soloq.

Also this whole meme of "ads were the strongest role" is just so funny. I must be playing a different game cuz that has never been a thing. ADs are ONLY good if you pick a team that peels and builds items to give you damage. Otherwise most other champs are significantly easier to be useful with.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

July 15 2018 01:02 GMT

#57

yea but that was the case for ages with pre nerf censer

you just pick janna/ADC + rush censer and if the enemy did something else you win easy

also i never said tanks can't lane

i mean tanks could never kill towers so I don't see how that's a valid argument for them suddenly being weak after like 8 years of them being always picked in pro play

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

July 15 2018 01:03 GMT

#58

On July 15 2018 09:00 nafta wrote:
Also this whole meme of "ads were the strongest role" is just so funny. I must be playing a different game cuz that has never been a thing. ADs are ONLY good if you pick a team that peels and builds items to give you damage. Otherwise most other champs are significantly easier to be useful with.

You mean like.... How the game was played for roughly 9 years?

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

July 15 2018 03:34 GMT

#59

I’m just trying to say if conqueror gets nerfed in the same patch as Crit ADCs get buffed it’s a double buff to crit adc

Because they are good with and against tanks

Gahlo

United States35172 Posts

July 15 2018 03:49 GMT

#60

On July 15 2018 10:02 Slayer91 wrote:
yea but that was the case for ages with pre nerf censer

you just pick janna/ADC + rush censer and if the enemy did something else you win easy

also i never said tanks can't lane

i mean tanks could never kill towers so I don't see how that's a valid argument for them suddenly being weak after like 8 years of them being always picked in pro play

Bring back Zz'rot.