[Patch 8.13] Aatrox Rework General Discussion - Page 4

On July 15 2018 10:03 Jek wrote:

You mean like.... How the game was played for roughly 9 years?

On July 16 2018 11:09 Fildun wrote:

I want some of your games if this is the main way your league of legends games have been going these last 9 years.

The funnel strategy have essentially existed since day 1 it was just in botlane rather than mid and then as in now the champion being funneled is usually an ADC.

On July 16 2018 18:15 Jek wrote:

I dont know about you but in most of my games the ADC have had at least 25% of their team members playing specifically picked champions to help and enable them since before minions have even spawned. They have usually also been the primary focus to kill, protect and peel for.

ADCs have had VIP treatment since people realized having them in botlane was pretty smart (tm). The funnel strategy have essentially existed since day 1 it was just in botlane rather than mid and then as in now the champion being funneled is usually an ADC.

The only period they were not always expected to be a hard carry on the team was during the lethality period and now.

On July 17 2018 07:00 Numy wrote:
I wouldn't say the VIP treatment is because of them being good at killing towers or 2v2. The VIP treatment came from the way scaling works in League. A single ranged carry going full damage was order of magnitudes stronger than a ranged carry going mixed. Ranged full damage carries also out damage any other kind of carry in the game. This causes an arms race of trying to get your ranged carry to peak power faster than the opponent because it nets you the biggest advantage. Now a full damage carry is obviously going to be susceptible to the enemy which pushes them out of solo lanes and instead into protected position. This creates an solution of just putting the carry in a bot lane with support.

Now you aren't incentivized to run melee carries and your opponent has a ranged carry duo in bot lane, what do you stick against that? A throw away initiator that can clear waves and doesn't need gold! That's how you get the lane swap meta. The funnel composition we see these days is really just the core of the lane swap idea make even more hyper focused by sacrificing the jungle movement for an even more accelerated carry.

What Riot is doing with ADC isn't inherently wrong, the issue is more timing of the changes than anything else. They have spent years creating heroes with very minute differences in kit all to feed a hyper specialized role that shouldn't necessarily be mandatory. They normalized power curves across heroes creating this "race to the bottom" and removing individuality. Would ADC be in this poor position if heroes had less homogenized curves? It's tough to say. I think what they trying has some merit and definitely speaks to better design than previously but they doing it at a terrible time and should really be iterating more. I'd love to see the day where teams can pick early, mid, late or hyper late scaling compositions and all have their merits. Let's get to those Anti-mage vs Spectre slugfests or Alchemist craziness!

edit: Hell one of their newest heroes has designers essentially saying "here's a better vayne!". That's just real shoddy work man.