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On May 24 2018 18:41 DarkCore wrote:
Yo, you guys make Ezreal sound like a bad champion. He dumps on Udyr so hard, you can go IBG and it's very strong but honestly if you're good enough, once you get BotRK you can kite him long enough to kill him unless he's full tank or insanely fed. Udyr is not really naturally tanky, his shield is pretty mediocre outside of small skirmishes. If Udyr can run at your ADC without getting stopped by CC, then your support either sucks or game is already over.
Just pick Braum and blow on Udyr when he tries to run at your team. Or play Janna and laugh even harder. Only way Udyr is going to win games is during the early/mid game, where he either has to seriously set lanes behind, or counter jungle the shit out of his opponent. Then he can transition to a split push strategy or just bring the game to a close because his team has snowballed.
Obviously he has counters, but who cares if Ezreal can kite him to death? Many adc's can do the trick, but still udyr is popular and being played at high rating with fair success. You gotta remember that in order to truly counter, you gotta play it perfectly. And that doesn't happen until you reach diamond'ish level and even then you still see udyrs juking Ezreal/Janna Q or not taking the "bait" and just going ham onto the front-line because you have decent sustain in fights and can easily maneuver around.
If you do however decide to just run at an Ezreal who has IBG/Botrk well yea, you're prolly gonna die. Which is why as Udyr it's extremely important to be mechanically superior and have 200 IQ.
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On May 24 2018 18:41 DarkCore wrote:
Yo, you guys make Ezreal sound like a bad champion. He dumps on Udyr so hard, you can go IBG and it's very strong but honestly if you're good enough, once you get BotRK you can kite him long enough to kill him unless he's full tank or insanely fed. Udyr is not really naturally tanky, his shield is pretty mediocre outside of small skirmishes. If Udyr can run at your ADC without getting stopped by CC, then your support either sucks or game is already over.
Just pick Braum and blow on Udyr when he tries to run at your team. Or play Janna and laugh even harder. Only way Udyr is going to win games is during the early/mid game, where he either has to seriously set lanes behind, or counter jungle the shit out of his opponent. Then he can transition to a split push strategy or just bring the game to a close because his team has snowballed.
You seem to miss the fact that if ezreal is focusing udyr it means he isn't focusing the actual important targets. Even if you can literally never get hit by udyr it still takes a long time to kill him. Especially with the new build how exactly do you get bork and arpen while stacking 2nd tear? Ezreal in general really isn't good if you can't get to squishies.
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I mean maybe I have a different opinion since I've always been playing mostly tank udyr and focusing on teamfights. I'm not going squishy and I'm farming pretty well if we're not getting donezo'd early game. I don't even split push on udyr most of the time.
And if you're split pushing like most people seem to think that's the best way to play, you literally don't care about enemy support+adc at all so that whole chain of argument is a dead end.
Basically running at the ADC in a teamfight is usually a bad idea as most decent players will just focus you down and kite back. There are situations where the enemy overdives and they have a support that can't help that well, or you're overfed, and if they have something like Jhin maybe you can just run up and one shot him. My mindset is that as long as Ez isn't hitting any important targets I try to ignore him, and when he tries to hit anyone except me or another tank I try to run in for a short 2v1 to at least force him to E away.
The problem is when they are super fed and you can't even tank them for a few seconds, you basically have to perma run away from them and then try to run in and one shot them with your team if they dive in too close. This is how you basically play lategame teamfights where your ADC can do the same thing. The reason Ez is sometimes not too scary is because his short auto range allows your teammates to easily turn on him with you, and an underfed Ez just firing Q's from max range doesn't provide enough of a teamfight threat to justify diving after him.
That said, I didn't say Ez was an easier ADC to deal with than Jhin, I just said he's about middle of the pack. There are ADCs easier and harder, you guys mentioning the easier ADCs is ignoring my point entirely.
You would never try to 1v2 in top lane at 25 minutes for example so why would you try to 1v2 enemy ADC and support.
On May 24 2018 18:41 DarkCore wrote:
Yo, you guys make Ezreal sound like a bad champion. He dumps on Udyr so hard, you can go IBG and it's very strong but honestly if you're good enough, once you get BotRK you can kite him long enough to kill him unless he's full tank or insanely fed. Udyr is not really naturally tanky, his shield is pretty mediocre outside of small skirmishes. If Udyr can run at your ADC without getting stopped by CC, then your support either sucks or game is already over.
Just pick Braum and blow on Udyr when he tries to run at your team. Or play Janna and laugh even harder. Only way Udyr is going to win games is during the early/mid game, where he either has to seriously set lanes behind, or counter jungle the shit out of his opponent. Then he can transition to a split push strategy or just bring the game to a close because his team has snowballed.
Well I would say most ppl would agree that Ez isn't the best champ at dealing with tanks. If Udyr is a generic tank which is sort of how I play him then it's just Ez vs a generic tank which doesn't sound so bad.
Ornn isn't naturally tanky either but most people wouldn't think he's too easy to kill. The main challenge on Udyr is catching up to the EHP levels of a regular tank building tank items while also getting a trinity force. (You want maybe 2k more gold and make up for the rest with good use of W, better EHP from items such as stoneplate, plus trinity gives some hp).
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Does anyone know how Clash assigns a tier to players?
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In this Drudt is P4 Flex and P5 Solo whereas I am P1 Flex and unranked in Solo and I'm a lower tier. Kot is P3 Flex/G1 Solo and Teut/WK are D5/P1.
Overall the tiers just seems kind of weird?
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I think mmr weighted higher than league and soloqueue weighed higher than flexy.
Seems kinda random though.
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Iirc it doesn’t effect your team as the team seeding is based on the highest player only
(Don’t think that was the question but worth noting)
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Okay guys, i think it´s time to talk about Future's Market and why i believe it's such an OP rune.
So you get it on farm-dependant junglers like shyvana. The idea is that you borrow gold and end up in minus and then as the game progresses the loan-value increases. This means that at some point you can back with 3k gold and still be able to afford expensive items like hydra and botrk.
But that wasn't really why i wanna talk about it. I started running it exclusively on supports with the mind-set that i can buy items even when i'm down on gold. Those games where you get 0 global gold this rune becomes extremely valueable, because you can still afford something rather than nothing. And you're only giving up runes like approach velocity which is more of a comfort-choice.
Anyone else who have tried this? Borrowing your way to victory seems pretty broken in my book.
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my issue with futures market is you only benefit from the rune if you are actually short on gold. if you have enough money with every back then you get pretty much no value out of it. the only problem is its not that hard to delay your back a little to get that gold lol.
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I'm talking about junglers, who can't always get the gold they want if all camps are down. Or supports who can't farm gold and are reliant on global income to build items. Fuck getting it on carries lol
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On May 26 2018 17:53 Sponkz wrote:
I'm talking about junglers, who can't always get the gold they want if all camps are down. Or supports who can't farm gold and are reliant on global income to build items. Fuck getting it on carries lol
It happens too rarely to use it, I guess. I liked basing and getting pots on support though. It'd be cool if the rune had like a gp/10 aspect to it as well.
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just stick around and look for a gank/counter gank?
the only time youre really forced to go back is if you are completely out of mana or out of health. getting futures market specifically for use on those rare occasions (keep in mind the chances of you actually being short on money in those specific scenarios is even lower) is pretty hit and miss. rather just get a rune i know gives me guaranteed value
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Soraka silence is actually the most bullshit ability btw.
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Yeah, good Soraka's are fucking ass to play against.
The biggest problem I see with how useful Future's Market can be is that you have to already want to be in inspiration in the first place. On supports, that isn't much of a problem, but with junglers I can see that being tricky.
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On May 26 2018 21:45 Gahlo wrote:
Yeah, good Soraka's are fucking ass to play against.
The biggest problem I see with how useful Future's Market can be is that you have to already want to be in inspiration in the first place. On supports, that isn't much of a problem, but with junglers I can see that being tricky.
Good Sorakas?
Bad Sorakas are ass to play against, medium Sorakas are just as rage inducing as Janna and good Sorakas make you want to uninstall the game, your OS and throw your computer out of the window after you've broken your fist as you punch the wall.
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On May 26 2018 14:40 Sponkz wrote:
Okay guys, i think it´s time to talk about Future's Market and why i believe it's such an OP rune.
So you get it on farm-dependant junglers like shyvana. The idea is that you borrow gold and end up in minus and then as the game progresses the loan-value increases. This means that at some point you can back with 3k gold and still be able to afford expensive items like hydra and botrk.
But that wasn't really why i wanna talk about it. I started running it exclusively on supports with the mind-set that i can buy items even when i'm down on gold. Those games where you get 0 global gold this rune becomes extremely valueable, because you can still afford something rather than nothing. And you're only giving up runes like approach velocity which is more of a comfort-choice.
Anyone else who have tried this? Borrowing your way to victory seems pretty broken in my book.
all ill say about this post is there are some credit card companies who would be very interested in your business
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On May 26 2018 22:09 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 21:45 Gahlo wrote:
Yeah, good Soraka's are fucking ass to play against.
The biggest problem I see with how useful Future's Market can be is that you have to already want to be in inspiration in the first place. On supports, that isn't much of a problem, but with junglers I can see that being tricky. Good Sorakas? Bad Sorakas are ass to play against, medium Sorakas are just as rage inducing as Janna and good Sorakas make you want to uninstall the game, your OS and throw your computer out of the window after you've broken your fist as you punch the wall.
says the guy with janna as his icon
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Janna-Soraka should be the enforced Riot meta til next march
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On May 26 2018 22:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 22:09 Jek wrote:On May 26 2018 21:45 Gahlo wrote:
Yeah, good Soraka's are fucking ass to play against.
The biggest problem I see with how useful Future's Market can be is that you have to already want to be in inspiration in the first place. On supports, that isn't much of a problem, but with junglers I can see that being tricky. Good Sorakas? Bad Sorakas are ass to play against, medium Sorakas are just as rage inducing as Janna and good Sorakas make you want to uninstall the game, your OS and throw your computer out of the window after you've broken your fist as you punch the wall. says the guy with janna as his icon
I've never been ashamed to admit I'm an anti-fun main. I play Janna, Lulu, Soraka, Shen and Ivern is the only jungler I do somewhat acceptable on. Soraka is SSSSS-tier on the anti-fun scale.
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On May 26 2018 17:53 Sponkz wrote:
I'm talking about junglers, who can't always get the gold they want if all camps are down. Or supports who can't farm gold and are reliant on global income to build items. Fuck getting it on carries lol
I don’t run it as a regular choice but when I jungle against someone who could invade and bully me out (like Xin) I sometimes take it as an insurance policy and then if I get forced to back after a few camps I can still get smite upgrade.
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On May 26 2018 17:53 Sponkz wrote:
I'm talking about junglers, who can't always get the gold they want if all camps are down.
*laughs scipaeusly*
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