EPT[Patch 8.8] Leblanc Revert General Discussion - Page 5
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 26 2018 03:09 Ansibled wrote: I'm pretty sure you ended up winning games though, albeit in a somewhat comical way. Maybe the difference between your absolute best role and your absolute worse can be something like this if you really try, but the difference between primary and secondary shouldn't be anywhere near as close. I don't know I pretty much play everything other than top and I don't think there's a massive difference between my skill in these roles. And I still think I'd beat a top laner who is like 2 divisons below me. Still a lot of the system seems vague at the moment so we'll have to see what they actually do. Hopefully they cap how far apart your ranks can be to a division or something. Sounds like you haven't encountered many 1 tricks. There are tons of people who aren't in the same league(not division) on their off roles. Hell just look at soraka/janna 1 tricks. You can probably legit find diamond players who struggle to survive lane in gold. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
im a fan of encouraging players to be more proficient on multiple roles/champs. it makes for better games imo at least below high elo since there are so many players who simply cannot see how a game should be played out from a different POV than theirs. at worst you probably end up with something similar to what we have already and at best you'll have more well-rounded players with some added rewards. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8649 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
Premades can game the positional MMR system so easily it seems pointless. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
id queue fill if it guaranteed that you dont get the same role 2-3 games in a row. i like support but i dont want to support 4/5 fill games. Yeah, fill is not very rewarding, especially for those ppl who want to play a variety, who are the very people who would choose the option. It's just better to choose random roles every queue, and hope it works out. Technically I'm an ADC/Support main, but I've found myself always choosing ADC/Top because I get support like half or more of the time, which is not what I want. Means I'm almost always guaranteed to get ADC, like 80-90% of the time, and otherwise I get some top games or autofilled Support, which I'm kind of happy with. I dont really see how they expect the positional MMR to work out. People swap roles so often, I've never queued as mid in the current season but I still have a handful of mid games since someone got autofilled. Wait, you offered to play mid for them? Or you got autofilled? | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On April 26 2018 18:25 DarkCore wrote: Yeah, fill is not very rewarding, especially for those ppl who want to play a variety, who are the very people who would choose the option. It's just better to choose random roles every queue, and hope it works out. Technically I'm an ADC/Support main, but I've found myself always choosing ADC/Top because I get support like half or more of the time, which is not what I want. Means I'm almost always guaranteed to get ADC, like 80-90% of the time, and otherwise I get some top games or autofilled Support, which I'm kind of happy with. Wait, you offered to play mid for them? Or you got autofilled? I have had a few autofilled mids that asked if anyone would swap but for the most part it's usually a duo when it happens and whenever I'm playing with a premade bot I always give support/adc* away (unless I'd end up jungling), a premade botlane more often than not destroy a PUG. * I queue support + something not jungle (for the most part top this season, guess I'm a M) and have never gotten mid when I've actualled queued it on my secondary. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3011187&page=2#post34311835 Whether or not they added the slight MMR decay Yegg mentioned I cant find anything about. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
but then they want the outcome of games you play on off roles to contribute in some way through incentives toward your main role. then those incentives would have to be astronomically large to offset the chance of losing, wasting the time for playing the game, and getting nothing. against just dodging and queuing up for your main role again. so now you have a system that gives you massive rewards toward your main role on a coin flip match in an off role. this all sounds like a highly stressful environment to play on your off role to me. does that seem like a massive contradiction in ideals to anyone else? separate roles that are supposed to not be stressful and not influence each other that need large incentives to be played that leads to a stressful environment. the result is we have a more convoluted system that replicates the functionality of the current system. what exactly do we gain by switching to this from the current system? | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
On April 26 2018 23:54 Frolossus wrote: soooo essentially they want to separate the roles so people have less anxiety and stress about playing off roles. I think you are missing what they are doing. It’s not about the helping people who randomly queue for an off role because they watched a highlight reel for a champ in that role. It’s about stopping those people from ruining your game. Imagine bob is a A Sol one trick at gold 3, then he watches a lee sin highlight clip and immediately queues for jungle. His team will lose every single time because they don’t have a jungle main playing jungle. If you were on bob’s team, your game is ruined. Even if you got your main role and first pick you are still losing that game 85% of the time. Under the new system, when A Sol Bob randomly queues as jungle, instead of putting him in your game they put him in a silver 4 game where maybe his gold 3 mechanics and macro make up for the fact that he isn’t really a jungler and his team still has a 50% chance to win. If you primarily play one role, then this is a straight up improvement to your experience because you will have random feeders ruin your games less often. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 27 2018 01:58 General_Winter wrote: I think you are missing what they are doing. It’s not about the helping people who randomly queue for an off role because they watched a highlight reel for a champ in that role. It’s about stopping those people from ruining your game. Imagine bob is a A Sol one trick at gold 3, then he watches a lee sin highlight clip and immediately queues for jungle. His team will lose every single time because they don’t have a jungle main playing jungle. If you were on bob’s team, your game is ruined. Even if you got your main role and first pick you are still losing that game 85% of the time. Under the new system, when A Sol Bob randomly queues as jungle, instead of putting him in your game they put him in a silver 4 game where maybe his gold 3 mechanics and macro make up for the fact that he isn’t really a jungler and his team still has a 50% chance to win. If you primarily play one role, then this is a straight up improvement to your experience because you will have random feeders ruin your games less often. Seems like the problem is the existence of A-Sol Bob, but his existence is the whole point of role queueing. | ||
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