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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 03:37:43
September 02 2017 03:36 GMT
#81
tl;dr I would de any champion shards I have before the Preseason patch, nothing else matters much. (as far as prep)
Carrilord has arrived.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 05:50:19
September 02 2017 05:47 GMT
#82
On September 02 2017 12:17 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 11:25 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 02 2017 10:22 Frolossus wrote:
On September 02 2017 10:12 geript wrote:
On September 02 2017 09:46 Frolossus wrote:
seems like veteran players getting screwed over once again in favor of new players for both the IP overhaul and leveling overhaul

I'm not sure this is true. I've only played since about season 4 and I have oodles of IP sitting around and numerous runes. Like sure we're getting shafted on rune return ratio, but we're also sitting on endless IP. The problem I see is if games don't give you BE as they did IP, then it basically forces BE to be a $ system is you don't want to farm chests/keys.

tier 3 quints are being valued at ~300 ip with the system swap. lesser runes even cheaper. it's a massive rip off once again AND the new leveling system just forgets about the last 8 years of games i have banked beyond level 30

it should be significantly harder to get every champ without RP now though. So anyone who bought on the IP system will have a significant advantage, as well as anyone with refunded runes.

So what if you miss out on 20-30k IP in runes, of the 200-300k of IP you've spent. new players are missing out on 9-15k based on current chest payouts leveling from 1-30 at 1 chest/level. which is a drastically larger proportion of their total spendable free currency.

What's the math on that? Should I go on a champ buying spree with my IP?

Your IP is gonna be worth the same. Its that no one is going to be getting Blue essence as fast as they got IP, unless they are getting crazy drops. And the IP you 'miss out on' is the result of runes being removed from the game and only partially refunded, rather than totally refunded. You'll actually see a bump in your essence/IP significantly from that.

But new accounts will take forever to get champs above the 1350 IP/Essence marker, without some luck in lootbox gambling.

And if you dont play often you will likely end up with much less ability to "keep up" with new champ releases if you waste your essence on the limited time essence shop. Only folk grinding hard or playing in groups for that sweet honor drops will be able to keep up down the road.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 02 2017 08:01 GMT
#83
I get lots of honer per game just by not saying anything and because drunk me tanked my Elo pretty hard a while ago so I carry often.

Such is the idiocy of the honor system: People basically just honor who wins the game for them. Also tis the idiocy of the reporting system. People just report those who flame while losing.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
September 02 2017 09:17 GMT
#84
This new way of getting IP seems like it will suck, but I'll have like 60k so I guess I don't care?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 02 2017 11:28 GMT
#85
On September 02 2017 17:01 cLutZ wrote:
I get lots of honer per game just by not saying anything and because drunk me tanked my Elo pretty hard a while ago so I carry often.

Such is the idiocy of the honor system: People basically just honor who wins the game for them. Also tis the idiocy of the reporting system. People just report those who flame while losing.

The honor system gets a lot of flak for not being "special" but I don't really see the issue. It's basically a system that just gives free stuff every now and then as long as you are a baseline non asshole player. Maybe they need to be a bit stricter on what they consider asshole though. It's like that system smite had where if you a good boy you stay at 100% while every bad boy thing you go lowers it. Honor being something everyone will get eventually to high is fine.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 12:10:49
September 02 2017 11:42 GMT
#86
wait we wont get ip for games anymore?
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 15:52:55
September 02 2017 15:52 GMT
#87
On September 02 2017 20:28 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 17:01 cLutZ wrote:
I get lots of honer per game just by not saying anything and because drunk me tanked my Elo pretty hard a while ago so I carry often.

Such is the idiocy of the honor system: People basically just honor who wins the game for them. Also tis the idiocy of the reporting system. People just report those who flame while losing.

The honor system gets a lot of flak for not being "special" but I don't really see the issue. It's basically a system that just gives free stuff every now and then as long as you are a baseline non asshole player. Maybe they need to be a bit stricter on what they consider asshole though. It's like that system smite had where if you a good boy you stay at 100% while every bad boy thing you go lowers it. Honor being something everyone will get eventually to high is fine.


Dunno about you guys, but I'm getting keys every single day I log in and I've achieved lv 5 honor without even paying attention to the feature. I don't write much in chat usually, apparently being the silent type makes people love you.

Think it's totally alright for people to get honor so long as they aren't toxic, especially if they're not try harding, I actually end up reporting more goodie two-shoes because they're passive aggressive than people who straight up flame or troll.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
September 02 2017 15:59 GMT
#88
i'm really annoyed that runes are being refunded at 10% or less when we were promised at least 50% or better before and 100% for rp spent on pages a couple months ago

Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 02 2017 16:52 GMT
#89
On September 03 2017 00:59 Frolossus wrote:
i'm really annoyed that runes are being refunded at 10% or less when we were promised at least 50% or better before and 100% for rp spent on pages a couple months ago


Was that an offical statement? I seemed to have missed it.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 19:02:33
September 02 2017 18:53 GMT
#90
On September 02 2017 20:42 kongoline wrote:
wait we wont get ip for games anymore?

the only way you'll get IP/essence with the new system is by leveling up your account or getting chest drops that you open with key drops.

Or by purchasing loot boxes for RP.

On September 03 2017 00:52 DarkCore wrote:

Dunno about you guys, but I'm getting keys every single day I log in and I've achieved lv 5 honor without even paying attention to the feature. I don't write much in chat usually, apparently being the silent type makes people love you.

Think it's totally alright for people to get honor so long as they aren't toxic, especially if they're not try harding, I actually end up reporting more goodie two-shoes because they're passive aggressive than people who straight up flame or troll.



No issue with the system for keys.

but getting 1 chest/champ per season is gonna be real bad for players with small champ pools unlocked. With it being the only way outside of leveling an account to get IP/Essence. It seems to be backwards for whats good for players. Players without many champs need more essence, but players with a lot of champs need less.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
September 02 2017 21:05 GMT
#91
also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it)
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 02 2017 21:10 GMT
#92
On September 03 2017 06:05 kongoline wrote:
also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it)


It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests
Carrilord has arrived.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 22:33:11
September 02 2017 22:32 GMT
#93
On September 03 2017 06:10 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2017 06:05 kongoline wrote:
also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it)


It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests

but there is also a system to guarantee you dont get champ drops every once in a while. and they had the nerve to call it "bad luck protection" LOL

Orange essence is significantly less valuable than blue essence now, so lets ensure you get orange instead of blue every once in a while, and call it protecting you.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 22:44:52
September 02 2017 22:44 GMT
#94
On September 03 2017 07:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2017 06:10 Slusher wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:05 kongoline wrote:
also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it)


It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests

but there is also a system to guarantee you dont get champ drops every once in a while. and they had the nerve to call it "bad luck protection" LOL

Orange essence is significantly less valuable than blue essence now, so lets ensure you get orange instead of blue every once in a while, and call it protecting you.

Well I mean, I'm going to have a lot of spare blue essence when they do the refunds...
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 02 2017 22:48 GMT
#95
On September 03 2017 07:44 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2017 07:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:10 Slusher wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:05 kongoline wrote:
also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it)


It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests

but there is also a system to guarantee you dont get champ drops every once in a while. and they had the nerve to call it "bad luck protection" LOL

Orange essence is significantly less valuable than blue essence now, so lets ensure you get orange instead of blue every once in a while, and call it protecting you.

Well I mean, I'm going to have a lot of spare blue essence when they do the refunds...

You will, but I think PX is looking at it holistically. What happens to people who just recently hit 30. Is the IP well going to dry up? Assuming the uncapped leveling follow standard leveling mechanics, each level requiring more xp than the last, chest will get further and further in between.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 23:25:10
September 02 2017 23:11 GMT
#96
On September 03 2017 07:44 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2017 07:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:10 Slusher wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:05 kongoline wrote:
also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it)


It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests

but there is also a system to guarantee you dont get champ drops every once in a while. and they had the nerve to call it "bad luck protection" LOL

Orange essence is significantly less valuable than blue essence now, so lets ensure you get orange instead of blue every once in a while, and call it protecting you.

Well I mean, I'm going to have a lot of spare blue essence when they do the refunds...

You'll be fine, unless you dump your essence in the "gold sink" store they are introducing "for a limited time only" when everyone is getting that huge spike of Essence.

They are pretty much giving you ~half your IP back, and then telling you to spend it in this new shop with huge prices. And then cutting your IP income dramatically from then on. It's definitely playing into peoples psychology to get them to burn all their IP, and then after when they can't farm up for champs, they need to buy lootboxes or RP to buy champs from then on.

Especially since we dont know the drop rate of lootboxes and how likely its going to be to get essence or a new champ (if thats even possible at all). It's a significantly less consumer friendly model.

Though if you have a full set of runes you can probably coast for a year or so on the Essence injection if you are smart and save it for champs. Longer if you are willing to wait until the price shift down from 8k to 6k. What will really be interesting is if the pace of champ release changes, or they introduce more "duo" champs like rakan/xayah. because a faster pace would mean folk burn through that IP reserve faster and have to start spending cash.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 02 2017 23:43 GMT
#97
On September 03 2017 07:48 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2017 07:44 Ansibled wrote:
On September 03 2017 07:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:10 Slusher wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:05 kongoline wrote:
also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it)


It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests

but there is also a system to guarantee you dont get champ drops every once in a while. and they had the nerve to call it "bad luck protection" LOL

Orange essence is significantly less valuable than blue essence now, so lets ensure you get orange instead of blue every once in a while, and call it protecting you.

Well I mean, I'm going to have a lot of spare blue essence when they do the refunds...

You will, but I think PX is looking at it holistically. What happens to people who just recently hit 30. Is the IP well going to dry up? Assuming the uncapped leveling follow standard leveling mechanics, each level requiring more xp than the last, chest will get further and further in between.

The Riot guys were talking about it on reddit a bit. It sounds like they want it to be similar kind of progression or better than currently. The way they doing stuff now feels like they want people to have access to champs so they spend tons of money on those super expensive skins they pumping out now. Just that getting IP in "chunks" from lootbox style stuff is most likely more rewarding than the slow progression you get with current system. People are notoriously bad at dealing with small gradual changes compared to once off big splashes. They noted the system should "soft reset" in a way to make sure you don't get stuck at crazy xp levels.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 02 2017 23:54 GMT
#98
On September 03 2017 07:48 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2017 07:44 Ansibled wrote:
On September 03 2017 07:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:10 Slusher wrote:
On September 03 2017 06:05 kongoline wrote:
also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it)


It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests

but there is also a system to guarantee you dont get champ drops every once in a while. and they had the nerve to call it "bad luck protection" LOL

Orange essence is significantly less valuable than blue essence now, so lets ensure you get orange instead of blue every once in a while, and call it protecting you.

Well I mean, I'm going to have a lot of spare blue essence when they do the refunds...

You will, but I think PX is looking at it holistically. What happens to people who just recently hit 30. Is the IP well going to dry up? Assuming the uncapped leveling follow standard leveling mechanics, each level requiring more xp than the last, chest will get further and further in between.


This is confirmed not true please read the thread
Carrilord has arrived.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 03 2017 08:12 GMT
#99
Oh yeah, the chest limitation kind of sucks. But I just play a bunch of 3vs3 with champions I don't usually play and get them that way. I mean if you think about it, 20+ chests is quite a lot of free stuff, Riot hasn't made it impossible for people who invest a lot of time but no money to still get skins. I actually haven't spent anything on the game in two years.

I realise that the changes to blue essence, aka slowing down gains per game, doesn't really affect me considering that I own almost every champion in the game. But it kind of sucks for new players: they're going to get more champ drops in the new system, but it looks to be harder to get skins. The leveling system looks interesting though.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-03 12:27:26
September 03 2017 12:23 GMT
#100
guess as a guy who plays maybe 4-6 champions at a time i wont be getting many new shards under new system .
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