EPT[Patch 7.17] Ornn General Discussion - Page 5
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Slusher
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 02 2017 12:17 cLutZ wrote: What's the math on that? Should I go on a champ buying spree with my IP? Your IP is gonna be worth the same. Its that no one is going to be getting Blue essence as fast as they got IP, unless they are getting crazy drops. And the IP you 'miss out on' is the result of runes being removed from the game and only partially refunded, rather than totally refunded. You'll actually see a bump in your essence/IP significantly from that. But new accounts will take forever to get champs above the 1350 IP/Essence marker, without some luck in lootbox gambling. And if you dont play often you will likely end up with much less ability to "keep up" with new champ releases if you waste your essence on the limited time essence shop. Only folk grinding hard or playing in groups for that sweet honor drops will be able to keep up down the road. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Such is the idiocy of the honor system: People basically just honor who wins the game for them. Also tis the idiocy of the reporting system. People just report those who flame while losing. | ||
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Ansibled
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 02 2017 17:01 cLutZ wrote: I get lots of honer per game just by not saying anything and because drunk me tanked my Elo pretty hard a while ago so I carry often. Such is the idiocy of the honor system: People basically just honor who wins the game for them. Also tis the idiocy of the reporting system. People just report those who flame while losing. The honor system gets a lot of flak for not being "special" but I don't really see the issue. It's basically a system that just gives free stuff every now and then as long as you are a baseline non asshole player. Maybe they need to be a bit stricter on what they consider asshole though. It's like that system smite had where if you a good boy you stay at 100% while every bad boy thing you go lowers it. Honor being something everyone will get eventually to high is fine. | ||
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kongoline
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On September 02 2017 20:28 Numy wrote: The honor system gets a lot of flak for not being "special" but I don't really see the issue. It's basically a system that just gives free stuff every now and then as long as you are a baseline non asshole player. Maybe they need to be a bit stricter on what they consider asshole though. It's like that system smite had where if you a good boy you stay at 100% while every bad boy thing you go lowers it. Honor being something everyone will get eventually to high is fine. Dunno about you guys, but I'm getting keys every single day I log in and I've achieved lv 5 honor without even paying attention to the feature. I don't write much in chat usually, apparently being the silent type makes people love you. Think it's totally alright for people to get honor so long as they aren't toxic, especially if they're not try harding, I actually end up reporting more goodie two-shoes because they're passive aggressive than people who straight up flame or troll. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 03 2017 00:59 Frolossus wrote: i'm really annoyed that runes are being refunded at 10% or less when we were promised at least 50% or better before and 100% for rp spent on pages a couple months ago Was that an offical statement? I seemed to have missed it. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 02 2017 20:42 kongoline wrote: wait we wont get ip for games anymore? the only way you'll get IP/essence with the new system is by leveling up your account or getting chest drops that you open with key drops. Or by purchasing loot boxes for RP. On September 03 2017 00:52 DarkCore wrote: Dunno about you guys, but I'm getting keys every single day I log in and I've achieved lv 5 honor without even paying attention to the feature. I don't write much in chat usually, apparently being the silent type makes people love you. Think it's totally alright for people to get honor so long as they aren't toxic, especially if they're not try harding, I actually end up reporting more goodie two-shoes because they're passive aggressive than people who straight up flame or troll. No issue with the system for keys. but getting 1 chest/champ per season is gonna be real bad for players with small champ pools unlocked. With it being the only way outside of leveling an account to get IP/Essence. It seems to be backwards for whats good for players. Players without many champs need more essence, but players with a lot of champs need less. | ||
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kongoline
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 03 2017 06:05 kongoline wrote: also if i get chat restricted i will be locked out of essence for god knows how long (i know it persists even after u finish it) It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 03 2017 06:10 Slusher wrote: It would be bad for you, but you would still get the level up chests but there is also a system to guarantee you dont get champ drops every once in a while. and they had the nerve to call it "bad luck protection" LOL Orange essence is significantly less valuable than blue essence now, so lets ensure you get orange instead of blue every once in a while, and call it protecting you. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On September 03 2017 07:32 PrinceXizor wrote: but there is also a system to guarantee you dont get champ drops every once in a while. and they had the nerve to call it "bad luck protection" LOL Orange essence is significantly less valuable than blue essence now, so lets ensure you get orange instead of blue every once in a while, and call it protecting you. Well I mean, I'm going to have a lot of spare blue essence when they do the refunds... | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 03 2017 07:44 Ansibled wrote: Well I mean, I'm going to have a lot of spare blue essence when they do the refunds... You will, but I think PX is looking at it holistically. What happens to people who just recently hit 30. Is the IP well going to dry up? Assuming the uncapped leveling follow standard leveling mechanics, each level requiring more xp than the last, chest will get further and further in between. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 03 2017 07:44 Ansibled wrote: Well I mean, I'm going to have a lot of spare blue essence when they do the refunds... You'll be fine, unless you dump your essence in the "gold sink" store they are introducing "for a limited time only" when everyone is getting that huge spike of Essence. They are pretty much giving you ~half your IP back, and then telling you to spend it in this new shop with huge prices. And then cutting your IP income dramatically from then on. It's definitely playing into peoples psychology to get them to burn all their IP, and then after when they can't farm up for champs, they need to buy lootboxes or RP to buy champs from then on. Especially since we dont know the drop rate of lootboxes and how likely its going to be to get essence or a new champ (if thats even possible at all). It's a significantly less consumer friendly model. Though if you have a full set of runes you can probably coast for a year or so on the Essence injection if you are smart and save it for champs. Longer if you are willing to wait until the price shift down from 8k to 6k. What will really be interesting is if the pace of champ release changes, or they introduce more "duo" champs like rakan/xayah. because a faster pace would mean folk burn through that IP reserve faster and have to start spending cash. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 03 2017 07:48 Gahlo wrote: You will, but I think PX is looking at it holistically. What happens to people who just recently hit 30. Is the IP well going to dry up? Assuming the uncapped leveling follow standard leveling mechanics, each level requiring more xp than the last, chest will get further and further in between. The Riot guys were talking about it on reddit a bit. It sounds like they want it to be similar kind of progression or better than currently. The way they doing stuff now feels like they want people to have access to champs so they spend tons of money on those super expensive skins they pumping out now. Just that getting IP in "chunks" from lootbox style stuff is most likely more rewarding than the slow progression you get with current system. People are notoriously bad at dealing with small gradual changes compared to once off big splashes. They noted the system should "soft reset" in a way to make sure you don't get stuck at crazy xp levels. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 03 2017 07:48 Gahlo wrote: You will, but I think PX is looking at it holistically. What happens to people who just recently hit 30. Is the IP well going to dry up? Assuming the uncapped leveling follow standard leveling mechanics, each level requiring more xp than the last, chest will get further and further in between. This is confirmed not true please read the thread | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
I realise that the changes to blue essence, aka slowing down gains per game, doesn't really affect me considering that I own almost every champion in the game. But it kind of sucks for new players: they're going to get more champ drops in the new system, but it looks to be harder to get skins. The leveling system looks interesting though. | ||
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kongoline
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