• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:51
CEST 08:51
KST 15:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers14Maestros of the Game 2 announced82026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game 2 announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Pros React To: ASL S21, Ro.16 Group C BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator Data needed
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2055 users

[Patch 7.15] Urgot General Discussion - Page 2

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 12:27:36
July 26 2017 11:08 GMT
#21
On July 26 2017 20:00 GrandInquisitor wrote: Zyra is definitely a stronger support but Lux has much stronger single-target CC + damage. Lux level 6 combo is over 600 damage and a 2.5 AP ratio plus a 2s root; Zyra is nowhere close to that.


Uhhhh zyra full combo is 370 + 1.8AP 1.25 Root 1s Knockup. Pre Plant. And Each plant adds 54+.15AP x 3 attacks for the duration of the CC. which with 2 plants (assuming none are laid down prior. means Zyra combo does 694+2.7AP and 2.25s of CC. and thats assuming the planst only get the 3 guaranteed hits and nothing else.

I assume you arent including thunderlords for either champ. because its pretty much identical

Lux does more base damage if she pops her passive all 3 times. but her scaling is 5% lower, not that 5% matters out of support.

720 Base + 2.65AP for lux if you pop every passive, but 650+2.45AP if you only get 2.

so 26 more base damage - 1 for every 20 AP. Assuming only the 2 seeds and 3 hits during the cc for the plants. a single plant hit more means zyra does more outright even ideal lux scenario.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 26 2017 12:54 GMT
#22
The only way I see the nasus buffs get abused is through AP nasus again. That would cover up the weak early game since AP nasus didnt give a shit about the flat debuff to trade anyway, and then you give your team an insane debuff later and get free extra damage on Q even though its pretty meaningless.

These changes are very meh for top nasus unless you are facing a tank top, which you won anyway. Its not like you are getting off a billion q's in teamfights, it just makes his split push/skirming even stupider but his teamfight is still horrid.

The armor debuff is an interesting change but that ult change is really dumb.
I come in for the scraps
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 26 2017 13:45 GMT
#23
I remember a long time ago that maxing E early and building Sheen first would let Nasus truck a few lanes because it'd make his trading quite strong, as the expense of building up q stacks slower.
I assume with masteries and shit and the amount of tanks and stuff like Gnar and Fiora it doesn't matter anymore though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
July 26 2017 13:52 GMT
#24
Best change in this patch is we can finally bind left click! I dont think I've ever used it for something outside of A-move.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4157 Posts
July 26 2017 15:31 GMT
#25
On July 26 2017 22:52 Jek wrote:
Best change in this patch is we can finally bind left click! I dont think I've ever used it for something outside of A-move.

i use it to select my lane opponents so I can see at the upper corner all buff/debuffs that are active on them
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4157 Posts
July 26 2017 15:34 GMT
#26
On July 26 2017 22:45 Alaric wrote:
I remember a long time ago that maxing E early and building Sheen first would let Nasus truck a few lanes because it'd make his trading quite strong, as the expense of building up q stacks slower.
I assume with masteries and shit and the amount of tanks and stuff like Gnar and Fiora it doesn't matter anymore though.

i think it needed to be followed by zz rot rush which made nasus pushing power out of control, however, after several nerfs on zz rot the strat fell off. But it was still what was working if you want to play nasus at all until this patch. No idea what will happen now
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
July 26 2017 15:52 GMT
#27
On July 27 2017 00:34 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2017 22:45 Alaric wrote:
I remember a long time ago that maxing E early and building Sheen first would let Nasus truck a few lanes because it'd make his trading quite strong, as the expense of building up q stacks slower.
I assume with masteries and shit and the amount of tanks and stuff like Gnar and Fiora it doesn't matter anymore though.

i think it needed to be followed by zz rot rush which made nasus pushing power out of control, however, after several nerfs on zz rot the strat fell off. But it was still what was working if you want to play nasus at all until this patch. No idea what will happen now


Im surpised ZZrot w/ a focus on Herald isn't a thing. It's probably not super reliable, but I thought I would see it once or twice.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 26 2017 16:19 GMT
#28
On July 27 2017 00:34 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2017 22:45 Alaric wrote:
I remember a long time ago that maxing E early and building Sheen first would let Nasus truck a few lanes because it'd make his trading quite strong, as the expense of building up q stacks slower.
I assume with masteries and shit and the amount of tanks and stuff like Gnar and Fiora it doesn't matter anymore though.

i think it needed to be followed by zz rot rush which made nasus pushing power out of control, however, after several nerfs on zz rot the strat fell off. But it was still what was working if you want to play nasus at all until this patch. No idea what will happen now

I'm 90% sure that was before zzrot was an item. Used to go jungle Nasus maxing E back in the day. It was some hilarious shit.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 16:23:21
July 26 2017 16:23 GMT
#29
I miss Zzrot. It was like Herald in that it forced action on the map, something that a stonewall defensive playstyle had to answer other than "stall the game out until 50 minutes and then win the game off a teamfight.", but wasn't limited to 22:55 on the gameclock.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 16:36:48
July 26 2017 16:36 GMT
#30
On July 27 2017 01:23 Gahlo wrote:
I miss Zzrot. It was like Herald in that it forced action on the map, something that a stonewall defensive playstyle had to answer other than "stall the game out until 50 minutes and then win the game off a teamfight.", but wasn't limited to 22:55 on the gameclock.

Did it though? Because 90% of Zzrot's were just used to avoid all interaction possible by split pushing then leaving it and avoiding fights. I've never had a game with less fights than one with zzrot nasus or udyr or whatever.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 26 2017 16:50 GMT
#31
E max Nasus kinda abused double dring passive I thought? Might have to rush glacial or something now? Idk I haven't played the character since the removed the original vo.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 17:40:11
July 26 2017 17:39 GMT
#32
On July 27 2017 01:36 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 01:23 Gahlo wrote:
I miss Zzrot. It was like Herald in that it forced action on the map, something that a stonewall defensive playstyle had to answer other than "stall the game out until 50 minutes and then win the game off a teamfight.", but wasn't limited to 22:55 on the gameclock.

Did it though? Because 90% of Zzrot's were just used to avoid all interaction possible by split pushing then leaving it and avoiding fights. I've never had a game with less fights than one with zzrot nasus or udyr or whatever.

I'm talking more "okay, we can't actually siege the tower because our comp can't break through their defense, so lets get a Zzrot on our support and have it splitpush a lane for us."

I don't discuss the game on a soloq level because it's all monkey business.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 18:01:50
July 26 2017 18:01 GMT
#33
idk fam, zzrot is just kind of annoying but you can always clear the wave when you kill the wave they are sieging

might be helpful to get a wave shoved quicker but you still need a split pusher to get any work down

never seen zzrot active used too effectively tbh

i saw banner of command siege minion basically 1v1 a rumble though LOL
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 18:52:31
July 26 2017 18:52 GMT
#34
One of my favorite things I've ever seen in League is a baron/bannered seige minion plinking at a tower while the team huddles around it daring the enemy team to come out and try to kill it.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
July 26 2017 19:08 GMT
#35
On July 26 2017 20:00 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2017 18:08 DarkCore wrote:
I think Lux might show up as Support a bit more now. Increasing her shield is pretty strong. The problem is her ult does nothing for a support. I'm curious if it's good enough.


I think Zyra is a better support in pretty much every way. Only thing Lux has going for her is shields, but Zyra is a much better tank buster, which is also where the meta is.

Uh, did Kayn get even stronger? I don't like that at all, even if it's just bug fixes.

The two are not remotely similar ... Zyra is definitely a stronger support but Lux has much stronger single-target CC + damage. Lux level 6 combo is over 600 damage and a 2.5 AP ratio plus a 2s root; Zyra is nowhere close to that.


Someone else already answered it, but yeah, Zyra support does more damage (forget about ratios, Zyra plants are just far more reliable for lane harass), and is more reliable with her damage (massive AoE ult, plants). Lux has the range, but that's not exactly Zyra's weak point either. A fed Zyra support can practically 1vs1 the enemy ADC in early/mid game. Plus with Liandries she's a decent tank shredder, there have multiple instances in LCK where Zyra support did the most damage on her team.

How exactly does Lux have better single target CC? Her binding can only go through one unit (probably the biggest reason Lux isn't top tier), and Zyra can chain her ult knockup.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
July 26 2017 19:18 GMT
#36
Even if Lux were better than Zyra, noone plays Zyra anyway right now, so it doesn't really matter whether a champ is better than her.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 26 2017 19:21 GMT
#37
comparing lux and zyra is stupid anyway, lux doesn't have plants to block hooks which is a big reason why shes even viable bot in the first place
I come in for the scraps
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 26 2017 20:47 GMT
#38
I feel like galio is increasingly mediocre but people play him because they know him.
Freeeeeeedom
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 21:31:48
July 26 2017 21:28 GMT
#39
sivir buff already reverted
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/6pqrkd/sivir_hotfix_out/
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
July 26 2017 21:32 GMT
#40
Dunno why sup lux is even discussed. She sucks. Itll just help mid lux buff up her maokais and carries
TL/SKT
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 9m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 165
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 4281
Pusan 302
ToSsGirL 154
Aegong 136
ProTech126
Backho 84
910 60
JulyZerg 54
yabsab 39
soO 33
[ Show more ]
SilentControl 20
Icarus 13
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm134
League of Legends
JimRising 664
Counter-Strike
summit1g7502
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King206
Other Games
C9.Mang0466
WinterStarcraft365
ceh999
Trikslyr16
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream1705
Other Games
gamesdonequick718
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH143
• practicex 34
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1167
• Stunt701
• TFBlade321
Other Games
• Scarra1568
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
3h 9m
KCM Race Survival
3h 9m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4h 9m
Gerald vs herO
Clem vs Cure
ByuN vs Solar
Rogue vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs TBD
OSC
8h 9m
CranKy Ducklings
17h 9m
Escore
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
Universe Titan Cup
2 days
Rogue vs Percival
[ Show More ]
Ladder Legends
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Ladder Legends
3 days
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-22
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.