EPT[Patch 7.15] Urgot General Discussion - Page 4
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Though i guess it's kinda okay for like.... Junglers? I guess you could go Cinderhulk -> Knights -> Zekes -> Locket on tank junglers, and snag a bunch of armor/mres/HP/CDR. Kayn is the only champ that uses the bonus effectively outside of alistar and it seems not great on him. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 28 2017 01:29 Gahlo wrote: I've not seen a good consistent use case. I think they effectively killed it with the rework. Stat distribution is decent, but leaves a lot to be desired. Its like they had a cool effect, but technical limitations prevented them from both allowing you to select an ally AND activate the item to activate it at will, so they tied it to your ultimate, without figuring out if there were any champs that WANT to use their ultimate and then stand next to an opponent. the definition of forcing a design into a place it doesnt belong. It would have been strictly better to just be an offensive locket. give % AP/AD xD | ||
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Sent.
Poland9296 Posts
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geript
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On July 28 2017 02:22 Sent. wrote: That item should be the most optimal on Leona and Leonas never buy it. Dunno how Riot could buff it without making it broken. don't know about that one. like leona dives in on squishies zekes is an item that helps you focus the front line with your adc I have a diamond leona one trick on my flist (we won a legit 4v5 with adc dc at 3 minutes) who goes ward item-->locket-->knights vow--> some combo of thornmail/frozen heart/randuins with mobo boots as full build i don't know why people think knights vow/zekes are optimal on tanks. The people who want the knights vow healing the most are usually bruisers who need to stay healthy to do damage, Tanks like leona braum malphite or something are already really tanky and tend to be looking to buy utility or cdr. Tanks supports usually want the knights vow for the 12% less dmg on their AD, but usually the AD doesn't take that much damage anyway, so the healing is really nice on bruisery champs. Similarly with zekes it's really nice on juggernaught type champs who like to have the slow and like to boost their adcs damage so they can manfight tanks favourably.in tfs. The main problems with zekes are 1: Doesn't give any HP when its the hardest stat to get. Loads of really good resist items locket/stoneplate 2: Lots of insanely broken other tank items to compete with e.g locket, knights vow, RG With leona who already gets free resists it seems like you want to favour stuff like -the anti healing thornmail so you dont give free healing to ads -randuins for the slow and drastically reduced dmg from ads -other utility items like locket RG | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 28 2017 02:42 Slayer91 wrote: Similarly with zekes it's really nice on juggernaught type champs who like to have the slow and like to boost their adcs damage so they can manfight tanks favourably.in tfs. But like, what Juggernaut uses their ult in a way that would even benefit from a 20% slow, who wouldnt just rather Righteous glory for the bigger slow, speed boost and better stats? Darius, Garen both prefer using ults to kill not set up fights, Mundo Maybe? but no health, and mana instead, Volibear? no Health, Yorick's Ult isn't really used that way, Trundle? but Trundle prefers a different bit of stats, Olaf? no, Shyv? Manaless. Illaoi maybe? Nasus? i guess, but he likes different items first so it'd be pretty late.... | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
if you want to do that playstyle just run janna/sona/nami and get ardent instead, way better | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
but stopped getting it because you lack hp, maybe okay with cinderhulk build though, forgot about it a bit because new RG is too good aram isnt the best testing ground.. otherwise sona would be a god zekes is a hard engage item which is exactly whats terrible in aram | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
probably your best bet to use that item, but not sure if thats ideal either. Gargoyles probably just better buy in most situaitons. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 28 2017 03:24 Slayer91 wrote: ive had good numbers on zekes on udyr but stopped getting it because you lack hp, maybe okay with cinderhulk build though, forgot about it a bit because new RG is too good aram isnt the best testing ground.. otherwise sona would be a god zekes is a hard engage item which is exactly whats terrible in aram sona is god though, at least on NA. highly abused support in higher elo here by mains/semi mains like consensualclown | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
janna way more broken sona is the highest wr champ until like platinum | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
If people ban Zac and Kayn before me, I tend to ban him as well. Especially because I feel half my supports have no idea how to play against him in lane (if he misses hook, please harass him.) | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4152 Posts
On July 28 2017 04:07 DarkCore wrote: Every Blitz in my game makes me think of the Shaco syndrome: my Blitz is terrible, but the other one is godly. Last game their Blitz managed to hook me at max range from a brush three times, and he did fantastic roams. The last one I had supporting me was a worse caster minion, at least they get agroe'd when you take harass from the enemy champ. If people ban Zac and Kayn before me, I tend to ban him as well. Especially because I feel half my supports have no idea how to play against him in lane (if he misses hook, please harass him.) why would anyone ban kayn? am I missing something? also zac ban is kind of doable too, but I can understand that more or less | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On July 28 2017 11:21 Slayer91 wrote: btw the secret pro way to hit galio E without being super obvious is to get close and E behind you says teutonica after demoting me in duoQ, forcing me to play some solo games to get back to dia2 | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
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