[Patch 7.15] Urgot General Discussion - Page 7

On August 02 2017 05:21 Gahlo wrote:

Riot's game design is also a lot more favorable to AP champions

I think, to the contrary, that its strength is its the only position that can always shift champs to take advantage of the strongest items. ARP is in, so are Zed & Talon. AP Burst? There are assassins. DPS? Cassio. Crit is strong, support your AD with Ori.

On August 02 2017 06:31 DarkCore wrote:
Tarzaned is really good, but listening to his stream with all the whining and dripping sarcasm is tiring, honestly not surprised he made that reddit thread. It's interesting that he doesn't play Lee Sin and still made it so far up the ladder, proof that you don't actually need to be a Lee god to dominate soloQ (except now his own champion pool has been nerfed).



I don't think mid lane is particularly dominated by any one item right now, that's exactly why we see so many different champions there. The last 'meta-defining item' in the mid lane I can think of is Morellos, back when everyone had to get it first item.

On August 02 2017 06:31 DarkCore wrote:
Tarzaned is really good, but listening to his stream with all the whining and dripping sarcasm is tiring, honestly not surprised he made that reddit thread. It's interesting that he doesn't play Lee Sin and still made it so far up the ladder, proof that you don't actually need to be a Lee god to dominate soloQ (except now his own champion pool has been nerfed).



I don't think mid lane is particularly dominated by any one item right now, that's exactly why we see so many different champions there. The last 'meta-defining item' in the mid lane I can think of is Morellos, back when everyone had to get it first item.

On August 07 2017 14:33 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The whole catch-up XP meme is very misleading. Without getting into why catch-up XP is super necessary for the game (which VA already got into), there's a bunch of unintelligent people that are conflating catch-up XP with 1) jungle CS, which has never accurately predicted XP gained, and 2) the fact that level differentials naturally shrink over time because of the increased XP required to level up. If you gain a 500 XP advantage over your opponent, that's nearly a 2 level lead at the start of a game, and less than a third of a level lead by the end of the game.

The proof that catch-up XP isn't nearly as strong as they make it out to be is that mid lane XP is usually much closer despite much more dramatic differentials. For example, in LZ v KT game 2, Crumbz was all over the catchup XP and how Score was "only" 2 levels up on Cuzz despite being 1/0/4 to 0/3/1 and 126 to 52 CS. When meanwhile the 3-0-4 Pawn and the 0-1-0 Bdd were the same level for most of the game despite major KDA/CS advantages for Pawn.

On August 08 2017 05:40 DarkCore wrote:
The ones who complain seem to be those who have played the game long enough to remember the days when counter jungling was introduced and was a big thing. The days of S2 Shyv and Lee , who legit lived in the enemy jungle and would destroy games when they got ahead because the enemy jungler became irrelevant. Riot spent a good few years trying to get the jungle sorted out, remember all the items they released to try and constant adjusting of how jungle creeps work? Not to mention adding jungle camps precisely to prevent champions from being zoned from their own jungle (less camps mean it's easier to deny when ahead).

I've never been a jungle main, but imo the nice thing about catch up XP is that it evens out the difference in power between heavy gankers and farming champs. It means that if Lee does nothing but gank, while Yi does nothing but farm, neither is going to find themselves at a major lv advantage, both are viable ways to play the game.