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First impression of PBE Urgod jungle is that he will be a viable jungler. First clear is a little slow for my liking, but its pretty clean if you kite well. He slaughters AoE camps like nothing, single target is a bit slow but manageable. He really sucks at Golems. I wouldn't call him top tier, maybe same solo-queue tier as like Shyv/Graggy/Reksai?
Not sure on jungler runes for him; Normally I'd say pure attack damage reds/quints, but even with them he still his doing the minimum damage to creeps / monsters with his W. As such, movespeed or CDR runes facilitate a much better clear; I'd lean towards movespeed for ganks and not capping out CDR later. CDR has a slightly quicker full-clear than movespeed, but its mostly golems killing prowess. AD runes make him scary as fuck to 1v1 in the jungle though, like flat out if you don't get surprised and have red with AD runes pre-first buy the other guy is dead because his W is pretty silly when you aren't hitting anything but the champion (like 80 HP shield + 500 damage minus passive, LOL). I think the level of PBE games AD runes definitely best because you can hunt other junglers, but I think in a more even game I would prolly go movespeed for better ganks? I think once people try to fight Urgot in the jungle 1v1 once they never will again. Scary as hell for the average melee jungler, like Kindred w/ a shield so even if you get on him he wins.
I have to say, new Urgod is pretty gross with a bit of items / gold lead. Like 600 damage shield every 5 seconds and 650 damage AOE shotgun bursts for days. I think game is free if you get a lead, but not sure how easy that would be against laners that ward and junglers that know how to farm. He will likely replace Volibear as my pub-stomp jungler; a little safer, a little less hard countered by good support players. Fucking Janna. Not sure what he is like while even or behind, stomped all my games so far, but thats PBE for you.
I think CotC too good on Urgot to not use, but I could see Fervor being pretty sweet too. I dunno. Would have to play around more.
Have to say though even when fed he has a rough go taking towers. He does no tower damage. LOL.
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Cho buffs seem pretty good as his E scales with his size and now they slow and do % max hp damage
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Urgod E -> Flash works. Budget insec available at level 1.
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Wait, isnt Gragas and Reksai basically toppest % junglers?
If Urgot is as good as them, thats pretty epic although you will excuse me if Im a bit sceptical at first.
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thats the first thing that stood out to me in his numbers on PBE if I read them correctly. His charge stuns at rank 1 for 1.25 seconds? thats pretty great for ganks/gank assist. Looks like he'll maintain status as an early game god at any rate with that single target stun/shield/range etc.
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On July 12 2017 20:12 Scip wrote:
Wait, isnt Gragas and Reksai basically toppest % junglers?
If Urgot is as good as them, thats pretty epic although you will excuse me if Im a bit sceptical at first.
To be clear, we're talking about purely soloqueue. My experience right now is that several junglers just way better then them; Zac, Warwick, Sej, Elise. Then there's another tier inbetween comprising like Kindred, J4, Ivern. That's based on my own feel and stats per op.gg
Anyway you shake it, don't think he's top percentage. Id guess middle of the road to mediocre. To be clear, I meant viable as in I'd pick him and not feel like I'm trolling, not that he's top tier top contested pick.
I'd also guess he's horrible for competitive play as a junglers. But they are different games. Sjit like graggy, reksai, Lee and graves dominate competitive but I'd say they aren't great soloqueue picks.
I'm also a bad player who gets in maybe 3 games a week; I'm sure a lot if my experience is garbage at the top of a ladder.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
In soloQ generally speaking farming playstyles work a bit better than in competitive, think old xJ9 style. Laners dont know how to deal with junglers that dont do anything xD
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is there actually an official not official statement from riot where they want the new urgot to stay?
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I think the tank jungle item change actually helped a decent amount, it's so cheap to get now. It seems like Maokai is getting pretty popular too.
I didn't know Kindred was still a champion to be honest.
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kindred will be a problem in the future, shes overbuffed but farming jungle meta is so shit right now that it doesnt matter. If jungle ever goes back to farming she will be strong, granted there is some good tanks top lane in the meta
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kayn's ability set is kind of straight forward though. Outside of the transformation mechanic, which is not even that hard to understand, his kit is pretty simple, around darius' level of complexity if you ask me, maybe harder, but overall simple and easy to pick
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I'm still at work but twitter is buzzing about leathality on adc, I don't really see how the change to it being based on your level benefits adc but I am curious if anyone here has tried it?
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On July 13 2017 05:01 Slusher wrote:
I'm still at work but twitter is buzzing about leathality on adc, I don't really see how the change to it being based on your level benefits adc but I am curious if anyone here has tried it?
The theory behind it is that in lane it doesnt matter because your targets and yourself are the same level anyway, so the bonus 3 lethality per item is a net buff?
not sure why thats such a big deal though. but honestly the lethality formula is so obtuse and hidden from view i couldnt tell you the net % damage increase from 1 point anyway.
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Whoever thought of the whole concept of lethality should be fired. Why does it have to be so complicated for no reason?
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On July 13 2017 06:54 nafta wrote:
Whoever thought of the whole concept of lethality should be fired. Why does it have to be so complicated for no reason?
Scarra's commentary on this change was the best.
"I thought the whole point of adding lethality was to prevent snowballing, but now it rewards you for it"
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On July 12 2017 23:55 Ansibled wrote:
I think the tank jungle item change actually helped a decent amount, it's so cheap to get now. It seems like Maokai is getting pretty popular too.
I didn't know Kindred was still a champion to be honest.
Kindred is actually in a pretty good spot right now I think. But like VA says I could see he being ridiculously op with very minor changes elsewhere.
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How important are stacks now? Could you lane her?
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On July 13 2017 07:13 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2017 23:55 Ansibled wrote:
I think the tank jungle item change actually helped a decent amount, it's so cheap to get now. It seems like Maokai is getting pretty popular too.
I didn't know Kindred was still a champion to be honest.
Kindred is actually in a pretty good spot right now I think. But like VA says I could see he being ridiculously op with very minor changes elsewhere.
I think that is just the date of Kindred so long as she is going to be the only squishy, high damage, champion that riot considers a jungler. I mean, if Karthus and Tryndamere were balanced for the jungle then they would serve as a counterweight if ever power farming was meta.
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On July 13 2017 06:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 06:54 nafta wrote:
Whoever thought of the whole concept of lethality should be fired. Why does it have to be so complicated for no reason? Scarra's commentary on this change was the best. "I thought the whole point of adding lethality was to prevent snowballing, but now it rewards you for it"
Even still, it's a nerf to armor pen.
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On July 12 2017 22:58 Scip wrote:
In soloQ generally speaking farming playstyles work a bit better than in competitive, think old xJ9 style. Laners dont know how to deal with junglers that dont do anything xD
Don't need to XJ9 if you set your taxes high enough. ♡
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