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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 23 2016 04:24 Zess wrote: The thing that prevents esports from becoming mainstream is spelling it "eSports" Fite me I think it looks cooler that way. | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
On January 22 2016 03:55 Frolossus wrote: this is completely wrong a person with gold 1 playing ability will get to gold 1 given enough games. runes do not change this in any way. if the person cannot do this they are simply not a gold 1 player. ping doesn't matter either for the casual solo queue player you mentioned. if you obsess over these details instead of improving your gameplay it becomes a list of excuses as to why you can't rank up. just like blaming your team for everything. Runes absolutely matter. If runes didn't matter, then stats wouldn't matter, then there'd be no reason to ever by any item that provides only stats. There is also nothing magical that makes stats matter at high elo but not at lower elo. If runes make no difference whatsoever at gold 1, then they don't make a difference at challenger level either. I can just as well say that if you can't make challenger with an empty rune page then "you are simply not a challenger player", and it's just as stupid as the same thing for any other league. Optimizing runes beyond basic ad or ap rune pages makes a small difference compared to a player's skill, and obsessing over optimizing rune pages is not a productive use of your time if you have fundamental flaws in your gameplay that you could fix in the same time instead. But runes still make a difference, whether you're bronze or gold. If your AAs do more damage, you'll have an easier time last hitting, you'll win more trades, you'll kill people faster. It makes no difference whether the source of your AD is runes, base stats, or items, stats are just stats. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
Frolo is saying, there are more important things that effect the game than runes and in most situations, win/losing a lane isn't from runes but rather from skill disparity. Clutz is saying runes are important because they're what gives you an advantage in trades. I mean they're both correct because these two arguments aren't actually disagreeing with each other. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On January 23 2016 04:36 bmn wrote: Runes absolutely matter. If runes didn't matter, then stats wouldn't matter, then there'd be no reason to ever by any item that provides only stats. There is also nothing magical that makes stats matter at high elo but not at lower elo. If runes make no difference whatsoever at gold 1, then they don't make a difference at challenger level either. I can just as well say that if you can't make challenger with an empty rune page then "you are simply not a challenger player", and it's just as stupid as the same thing for any other league. Optimizing runes beyond basic ad or ap rune pages makes a small difference compared to a player's skill, and obsessing over optimizing rune pages is not a productive use of your time if you have fundamental flaws in your gameplay that you could fix in the same time instead. But runes still make a difference, whether you're bronze or gold. If your AAs do more damage, you'll have an easier time last hitting, you'll win more trades, you'll kill people faster. It makes no difference whether the source of your AD is runes, base stats, or items, stats are just stats. having more damage doesn't mean that you win more trades. trading correctly does. for instance if i'm bad at hitting skill shots, 3 ap quints are going to do less damage than landing 1 extra skillshot that would've otherwise missed. if you aren't getting perfect or near perfect cs then the stat increases are wasted because you are behind the stat line you could have by getting more item components or upgrades anyways. what good is +15 ap and an amp tome in the face of a blasting wand obtained by just farming better? it's only when someone has the blasting wand and the +15 ap that it becomes oppressive. until that point it doesn't matter at all what runes people are using. being able to last hit more easily and actually being able to get more CS are two different things. runes don't teach people how to farm and manage waves. say you have a full flat AD page. in the best case scenario they might help you pick up a few extra CS under tower or something. but what good does it do if you either get killed in lane and have the wave shoved to your tower forcing you to miss it all anyways? how does flat AD help you when you take a bad trade and get zoned off the wave? in neither of these cases having runes will help you. these things indicate that in order to extract value out of runes there is in fact a minimum skill barrier and that the further you get from the theoretical skill ceiling of the game, the less value they have. so for the overwhelming majority of players they don't matter. it is simply never the case that -someone should be a higher rank but because they don't have certain runes they can't be there -that any individual game was lost primarily because someone didn't own or use certain runes. the things that do matter and are important in this game are the ones that directly cause you to win or lose games. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 23 2016 04:02 KissBlade wrote: Wut if you hate pastrytime you hate freedom. Which just makes you Hitler. I must hate freedom then. Or maybe you are a dirty Joe Buck fan. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:02 cLutZ wrote: I must hate freedom then. Or maybe you are a dirty Joe Buck fan. Uncalled for. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 23 2016 03:25 Osmoses wrote: Good lord EU LCS is putting me into a coma. This meta is torture. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
The tigers make it look fun. Then again, I've only watched tigers games, and LGD. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
This isn't meta! This is trading towers uncontested for 20 minutes and then maybe a teamfight that ends with someone at half health oO | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On January 23 2016 08:04 IMoperator wrote: I'm still not sold on the Reaver -> rapidfire build on lucian. feels like you do way less damage than just IE/Rapidfire. Not sold on blue ezreal either, think triforce is better. Dunno how those became the meta builds. I am guessing it's because over time the CDR gains you have from Reaver trump the extra dmg you get from possible crits on IE? Like IE gives you a possible chance at a crit while Reaver guarantees your spells being faster which procs your passive faster. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Generally, ER also has better build-up. IE's stronger once you've got two items but since with the ambient snowballing people just go at each other's throat way before they've farmed 7k gold, that's important too. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On January 23 2016 08:23 lilwisper wrote: I am guessing it's because over time the CDR gains you have from Reaver trump the extra dmg you get from possible crits on IE? Like IE gives you a possible chance at a crit while Reaver guarantees your spells being faster which procs your passive faster. imo lucians passive isnt that great. The second shot from his passive only does 60% of your AD at level 16, so it's not that much damage. I'd much rather get an earlier last whisper item or BT over ER | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On January 23 2016 04:24 Zess wrote: The thing that prevents esports from becoming mainstream is spelling it "eSports" Zess I don't think people are going to properly appreciate how hilarious and well layered this joke is, but I love it so much. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 23 2016 08:43 Alaric wrote: More CDR = more passive triggers on Lucian (plus if you're into objectives you can just ult almost anyone on cd and then take the tower). Generally, ER also has better build-up. IE's stronger once you've got two items but since with the ambient snowballing people just go at each other's throat way before they've farmed 7k gold, that's important too. Not to mention it isn't even worth combining IE until you've at built Zeal. | ||
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