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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 09:53:28
December 25 2015 09:52 GMT
#2041
On December 25 2015 09:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 09:28 Fusilero wrote:
On December 25 2015 09:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Wait, do LPL teams still have the "no sister teams" rule as the other regions?

Yes, it's just they don't care (I promise you that M3 and World Elite have no connections at all. It's just a coincidence that M3 is being filled by WE.F players)

yeah, that's what I assumed, cuz I was thinking why teams were importing even more koreans.


Because they think local Chinese players are bad? Looks pretty obvious. And don't count on them keeping three Chinese players as the resident rule comes in soon.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 25 2015 15:08 GMT
#2042
riot's rules are hilarious in the lpl context.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 20:06:10
December 25 2015 17:39 GMT
#2043
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2778&l=40127

Watch and Ggoong to Team ZTR (former Team King).

On December 25 2015 18:52 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 09:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 25 2015 09:28 Fusilero wrote:
On December 25 2015 09:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Wait, do LPL teams still have the "no sister teams" rule as the other regions?

Yes, it's just they don't care (I promise you that M3 and World Elite have no connections at all. It's just a coincidence that M3 is being filled by WE.F players)

yeah, that's what I assumed, cuz I was thinking why teams were importing even more koreans.


Because they think local Chinese players are bad? Looks pretty obvious. And don't count on them keeping three Chinese players as the resident rule comes in soon.


Who'd thought that thinking before posting is a cool thing.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 25 2015 18:39 GMT
#2044
I'm pretty sure this isn't what wei meant, but I am surprised they haven't discarded the 3/5 rule since they ignore all other Riot rules. I think I can answer my own question though, in that they would if not for the desire to play in Riot run worlds, where they can't ignore the rules.
Carrilord has arrived.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 25 2015 19:25 GMT
#2045

Goldenglue joins Ember. I assume then that Hard will play in Spring since contractz is underaged and in order to take C9T's spot they'd need 3/5 with yusui retired and sheep on coast/imagine/warlords/whateverthefuck.
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 25 2015 20:02 GMT
#2046
On December 26 2015 03:39 Slusher wrote:
I'm pretty sure this isn't what wei meant, but I am surprised they haven't discarded the 3/5 rule since they ignore all other Riot rules. I think I can answer my own question though, in that they would if not for the desire to play in Riot run worlds, where they can't ignore the rules.

Yeah, I meant why invest in more korean players than the team can legally field. Seems like a waste of money unless sister teams are allowed.
liftlift > tsm
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
December 25 2015 20:10 GMT
#2047
Turns out CLG chose Stixxay over Forgiven. Truly counter logic.
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 20:30:16
December 25 2015 20:27 GMT
#2048
https://medium.com/the-nexus/better-humans-become-better-athletes-c6fd451aa5fd#.ishwjejpx
Somewhere in there Jonathan Pan lists the salaries for Ember's players.
"Gleeb — $57,500 base, $15,000 in bonuses, total comp $72,500
Contractz — $60,000 base, $10,000 in bonuses, total comp $70,000
Goldenglue — $65,000 base, $27,000 in bonuses, total comp $92,000
Solo — $65,000 base, $21,000 in bonuses, total comp $86,000
Benjamin— $60,000 base, $15,000 in bonuses, total comp $75,000"

Good on Ember to take the first step; salaries should be public like any other sport.
Though I do wonder if I should take the NFL approach or not when looking at these numbers (the NFL approach being base salary is the only thing that matters, everything else is assumed to never actually be realized)

And naturally, the base salaries are higher than what KeSPA reported as the average of 40 signed players, even after boosting from SKT/Longzhu/Tigers.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
December 25 2015 20:37 GMT
#2049
These salaries are fucking absurd. Goldenglue making more then most KR/EU pros.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 20:37:12
December 25 2015 20:37 GMT
#2050
Pretty disgusting how much money they can make being irrelevant in NA let alone anywhere else, and people call WCS welfare.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 20:41:26
December 25 2015 20:40 GMT
#2051
jesus christ those salaries

and they have free housing/healthcare/etc

no wonder fury wants to come to NACS lmao

also the org seems pretty damn idealistic reading through that
"that an NA team will kiss the Summoner’s Cup within two years" lol s7 NA world champs hype
TL/SKT
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
December 25 2015 20:42 GMT
#2052
You get what the guy across the table is willing to offer you.
From the other side of the table, you offer what is needed to get the other guy to accept.
Supply and demand. It speaks more about the leverage players in Korea and Europe have.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 25 2015 20:43 GMT
#2053
Well its a nice thing if you have investor money that you can piss away. Some orgs have to actually earn the money they spend though. Which is why all this public comparing of salaries does not make much sense imo. And players have a pretty good idea of what other players earn anyway.
Off-season = best season
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 20:54:18
December 25 2015 20:45 GMT
#2054
Alright let's take bets on if this team will still exist in a years time.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 20:52:38
December 25 2015 20:51 GMT
#2055
Public salary information is more leverage for the players' side.

Speaking of, it's a funny thing; fans tend to automatically be on the players' side of things on most topics, but then when it comes to the one thing that actually matters in this world (how much money a player actually gets), people get a lot more divided with their responses.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 25 2015 20:54 GMT
#2056
On December 26 2015 05:43 Redox wrote:
Well its a nice thing if you have investor money that you can piss away. Some orgs have to actually earn the money they spend though. Which is why all this public comparing of salaries does not make much sense imo. And players have a pretty good idea of what other players earn anyway.

True for veterans, not true for rookies.
liftlift > tsm
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 20:56:02
December 25 2015 20:54 GMT
#2057
Than an NA team will kiss the Summoner's Cup within two years.

How delusional these people are?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 21:06:24
December 25 2015 20:55 GMT
#2058
I think it's just Eu fans being (understandably) salty that being able to fill a resident slot in na is literally worth 60k

60k in eu (as far as we know) is 1v5 capabilities and that is kinda bs
Carrilord has arrived.
bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
December 25 2015 20:57 GMT
#2059
On December 26 2015 05:37 Ansibled wrote:
Pretty disgusting how much money they can make being irrelevant in NA let alone anywhere else, and people call WCS welfare.

Why is it disgusting that other regions give their players peanuts.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 25 2015 20:59 GMT
#2060
On December 26 2015 05:57 bbc23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 05:37 Ansibled wrote:
Pretty disgusting how much money they can make being irrelevant in NA let alone anywhere else, and people call WCS welfare.

Why is it disgusting that other regions give their players peanuts.

Because these salaries are completely reasonable and sustainable : )
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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