EPTOh, and pulling out of a teamfight. I've seen that pros leave a fight early if it seems like its going sour, but in that situation I usually make a desperate effort to turn the fight instead. Plus your team is less likely to rage if you just die with them rather than play it "correctly".
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Oh, and pulling out of a teamfight. I've seen that pros leave a fight early if it seems like its going sour, but in that situation I usually make a desperate effort to turn the fight instead. Plus your team is less likely to rage if you just die with them rather than play it "correctly". | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
Rocket range is not that impressive if you have no crit mechanic / no attack speed / no items. If you overuse it, you're out of mana, if your mechanics in switching it from hitting more than 1 target and longer range to 1on1 and stutter stepping to finish someone off aren't on point, you're gonna mess up the fight. I'm not saying it's completely irrelevant, I'm saying start to see the actual difference once you get your first item, which should be a BF. Then you actually become a lanebully imo. A pickaxe also doesn't feel superstrong, unless they completely overstep their boundaries. And freezing can be shitty for your teammates in certain situations. If you need the farm, because you're behind for example and they've already taken your turret, but there's a huge, juicy wave for you and you can deny the enemy adc so much cs, do you do it? Chances are it's gonna be a 4v5 for a long time then. And if your support is a dumbass, it becomes a 3v5. And if he's even more of a dumbass, he doesn't ward your jungle either so they steal everything away + get picks on you (because they can dive the lonely behind adc) and other people because your jungle isn't warded and rotations are something difficult to do well for some reason. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 23 2015 21:57 Numy wrote: I find that for "fill" the hardest part is the laning phase generally. After the game breaks down knowledge about map movement and objectives kind of passes off, just now what you doing is slightly different. What I've done is essentially created as Slusher would say a "gaping vagina" playstyle when I'm filling in a situation I'm not too familiar with. My goal is just to survive laning phase by going as even as possible with only punishing obviously punishable plays. If I have to I'll sacrifice a bit instead of dying or getting punished myself. I actually think laning is the easiest part when it comes to playing a role I am not familiar with. Laning is easy overall. Some of the harder parts come from being able to make the correct split second decisions in a teamfight on a role/champion I am not familiar with. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
For example, a 35/35/10/10/10 mains 2 positions. A 50/30/10/5/5 mains 2 positions. A 45/30/20/3/2 mains 3 positions. An alternative definition can be: rank-order your position frequency from highest to lowest, then find the highest difference between any two numbers. The positions above that difference are the ones you main. But then I ran into some issues trying to apply it to my own ranked games. I'll crowdsource this question: how many positions do I main? Season 5: 20% / 58% / 1% / 2% / 18% Do I main 1 or 3 positions? Season 4: 41% / 17% / 11% / 3% / 28% Do I main 1, 2, or 3 positions? | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 23 2015 22:07 nafta wrote: The only thing I don't understand is why didn't they add 5 boxes and you check each one for roles you wanna play and instead you MUST put 2 roles that you want to play. Maybe I want to play only 1 role why will I be forced to play 2? Because even if you have general understanding of how to play a lane doesn't mean you can keep up with people who specialize in it or a champion. Qt feeds in lane all the time like a retard so that doesn't really help your example. Forcing people to pick 2 roles makes it a lot easier to put teams together because there are fewer possible combinations. The number of potential combinations increases dramatically with each additional role you allow a player to select, and processing that isn't trivial, even with the sorts of shortcuts and optimizations you typically find in a good algorithm. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 23 2015 23:33 Seuss wrote: Forcing people to pick 2 roles makes it a lot easier to put teams together because there are fewer possible combinations. The number of potential combinations increases dramatically with each additional role you allow a player to select, and processing that isn't trivial, even with the sorts of shortcuts and optimizations you typically find in a good algorithm. It also goes against the whole point of playing whatever you want. If you think you are waiting too long you pick more than 1 role. You could also let players give priority to roles and after an x amount of time the que could add another role to the search. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that most people have alt positions anyway. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Also forgot how there are a lot of people who don't mind playing 4 roles but they really dislike the other one. You are fucking them as well. Just because you have an alt position doesn't mean you consider it as good as your main. While picking 2 roles implies you want both equally since there are no other parameters. Teambuilder is bad because you have to pick your champ before select and there are mirrors. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On September 23 2015 23:55 Numy wrote: I always assumed that they wanted Ranked Teambuilder to eventually take over from normal ranked. Same, I'm almost sure that someone from Riot mentioned that Ranked Teambuilder replace solo queue in the nearest future. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 23 2015 23:57 nafta wrote: It will they said so. Also forgot how there are a lot of people who don't mind playing 4 roles but they really dislike the other one. You are fucking them as well. Just because you have an alt position doesn't mean you consider it as good as your main. While picking 2 roles implies you want both equally since there are no other parameters. Lyte mentioned in that Reddit thread that there will be a "primary" and "secondary" option when you pick your 2 roles. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 23 2015 23:44 Caiada wrote: Teambuilder had a small audience and *barely* worked with you only picking one role. Ranked teambuilder could potentially end up with an even smaller audience. It's almost certainly for matchmaking. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that most people have alt positions anyway. Problem with Teambuilder is there is no ban phase, the team captain and boot people that pick things they don't like, mirrors, and people choose their champion without knowing what they could possibly be put on a team with. From the sound of it, the new system would address these issues. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On the other hand they design for the majority and the majority of people play casually, have one role or maybe too, and often only one champion for each (having people from legit Bronze up to Diamond on my friend list, most of them in Silver, you can tell). "Fill" means "my jungle and mid are worse than top and support, but I believe that I can make the gap not too impactful given the right circumstances"... circumstances which the new queue would deny me by forcing me to pick a role before we start banning and picking. That's more or less my issue with that queue. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:00 Numy wrote: Lyte mentioned in that Reddit thread that there will be a "primary" and "secondary" option when you pick your 2 roles. Then there is the reverse problem. Why can't they just give us a choice? This is the hud all over again. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:05 Alaric wrote: Which still screws over people like me. On the other hand they design for the majority and the majority of people play casually, have one role or maybe too, and often only one champion for each (having people from legit Bronze up to Diamond on my friend list, most of them in Silver, you can tell). Your decision isn't set in stone. You can change your position preference every time. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 It happens with multiple people in the group when we play normals, but hop into ranked and most of them already know what they're going to play then. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
That sounds optimistic. I had a decent time with teambuilder though, always kind of wished it caught on better/got improved. I don't know why mirrors are even an option outside of normal blind pick. People are bringing up edge cases, and I just really don't see how those are that big of a deal. I'd be extremely confident saying the vast majority of people just play whatever the hell they feel like playing, whether that's an actual role or filling. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
unless the system like announces what you picked out loud...but that might make it even better | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:09 Caiada wrote: Oh, it'll replace Ranked Draft if it goes well. That sounds optimistic. I had a decent time with teambuilder though, always kind of wished it caught on better/got improved. I don't know why mirrors are even an option outside of normal blind pick. People are bringing up edge cases, and I just really don't see how those are that big of a deal. I'd be extremely confident saying the vast majority of people just play whatever the hell they feel like playing, whether that's an actual role or filling. So because 90% of players will be satisfied by this the other 10% should go fuck themselves? The fuck kind of logic is that. You literally would have a way to reduce your que times by picking more roles. Everything would be in your hands. Please give me one real reason why this is better to picking each role and giving role priority. | ||
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