EPTalso if this IS all started from ask.fm, you could uh, use it to ask him the method for this number lol
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
also if this IS all started from ask.fm, you could uh, use it to ask him the method for this number lol | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Having that flexibility and freedom is something I enjoy, adapting on the fly in champ select ('cause if I select mid and the enemy first picks Leblanc, usually I simply wouldn't call anything even if I felt like playing mid so I'd go somewhere else, but with this system I either have to awkwardly swap role with someone who may be willing, or play my Viktor into LB?). Of course I'm biased since this is my own experience and champ select trolls (or ragers who don't get their call as 4th pick) are a very large minority of my games, but saying they don't want to enforce the meta then pushing this through is (bitterly) laughable. Then again I'm in the minority when it comes to role flexibility so I guess I can just go and take it up the rear. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I don't think it's enforcing the meta really. You'll always have Carries and supports in Mobas that have items/scaling. You'll also always have people filling specific roles in a team so if say the jungler position can change to do something else then that person that selects jungler should be able to do that. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 ), and would potentially leave me as AD (best way to drop back to Gold IV and beyond), it's different from adapting on the fly.Granted, my reasoning applies wrt my champ pool rather than positions (see example: more "nope, not gonna Viktor into LB" than "nope, not playing mid"), but being able to flex where I go has been valuable in rounding up our comps (now I need to play a decent AP offlaner), and that's something that'd be lost. Going to lastfm directly, it seems that it's a different queue and not the replacement for ranked like the quote here seemed to imply. As long as I still have a player pool to normally queue with, I guess I won't care all that much... ? It's not like one-trick ponies are too much of a thing here. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
Also Alaric I'm a fill main and I only played support in 2 out of my 30 last games. There are a lot of supp mains and also very often if I'm higher pick, only 1-2 people call a role so I can choose whatever I want. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I don't talk when high in picks but immediatly say I'd rather not play AD if I'm low, so that may tip the odds (if we don't have an AD main we're more likely to have a volunteer anyway, which opens another role. I think I jungle and top more than I support when I'm last pick). | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
How do you manage I have no idea:-) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Currently it is a lottery where you hope you will get players with different main roles in your team and not 4 supports or whatever. Win/loss of a game is not just determined by overall player skill but by the role distribution you get in your team. In Korea high Elo players will dodge if the role distribution is not right. Forcing people to dodge can not be a satisfactory permanent solution to the problem. When more people get their roles overall quality of games should rise because: less trolling, team Elo reflects more accurately a team's chance to win, closer games. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
At D4 the most difficulty I can get is jungling because that's a really specialized role and you don't always understand certain intricacies and even so it's only sometimes a stomp. And then you could also say that it can be the same for other roles aswell. Well, yes and no. Yes in the sense that I don't really know how certain matchups work in top and mid (I specialize in bot) so I won't know when to all in, or when I'm strong or when I'm weak. No in the sense that I know the champion I'm playing and the one I'm playing against well enough to survive, not feed my ass off and get into teamfighting and/or splitpushing mode. The thing that baffles me the most, and that's even at the highest level, is how lopsided certain games can be. How is it possible that around challenger level, where everyone is supposedly great at the game, you can get crushed in less than 20 minutes? I understand certain people are "gods" and if you have a really stacked team it's probably going to be a stomp, also, because not everyone can play their specialization that can also factor in (one trick ponies, lane specific players, ...) But then you watch people like imaqtpie (or even nightblue3 can do well in laning at times) and you see that lane specialization doesn't really matter that much if you just understand the game. Granted, qt does have a shitton of games under his belt and experience counts for a lot in games like this. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Because even if you have general understanding of how to play a lane doesn't mean you can keep up with people who specialize in it or a champion. Qt feeds in lane all the time like a retard so that doesn't really help your example. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
Grouping and getting picks is often times far more gamedeciding than that one guy on that one champ that completely takes over. But it does happen. And it does suck. Also, I've seen qt wreck people in every lane, so, I guess we can say he has good and bad games then. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I've mentioned a few times how I get by because I'm playing strong champions I'm experienced with and abusing knowledge. I don't TP gank as much as I could and I'm not a good splitpusher, and I can't beat Vlad or Darius as Irelia (I struggle against Gnar and Jayce). But I roll over Gangplank, Fiora, and with Maokai I've solokilled a Vlad at level 3 and a Darius thrice during laning. People underestimate my champion's burst (Irelia) or my willingness to go aggro (Maokai) and I punish them for that... while missing out on a lot of small other mistakes they make, and opportunities around the map. Went back from Gold IV to II recently, as I get closer to I I won't be able to do this as much and it'll get harder for me because people are more experienced. Usually at that point I relied on the "I'm putting you ahead then keeping you alive, now you carry me" playstyle, mostly as support and from the jungle. It's meta dependant (season 3 LB/Fizz/Zed/Ahri match-ups every game was a boon for Vi; my Braum will drop in value if the meta moves to Zyra/Sona/Nami/Soraka), and jungle is a very good role for this. But I'm full of rust, Nautilus isn't as good anymore (he needs to start Gromp and clears blue so slowly smite's back up by the time he finishes it off, plus various nerfs), my Vi mechanics suck (I keep barely missing Qs) so I can't convert enough ganks compared to before to make up for my suboptimal decision-making. I thrive in the jungle when I find a champ I can be effective with, but that last part as barely more occurrences than there have been seasons, and taking breaks of several months destroys my game sense (compared to laning where I can autopilot a lot of Viktor's/Irelia's match-ups). So clearly if I get to Plat this season it'll be off the back of my top and support and a lucky streak. I don't know if I'd break into Gold playing AD (I can certainly hold my own in Silver, but not carry like I could from mid or top), I've become bad at my playstyle in the jungle (maybe I could try Ekko for early presence), and I don't play high-impact supports like Thresh, Annie or Alistar to roam and win mid too. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Keep in mind the way you climb is punishing mistakes not simply not making any. The highest rated people are generally the best at it which makes games end faster. Another example is freezing. In a lot of situations it is the best thing to do but very few people do it simply because it is boring. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
On September 23 2015 22:33 nafta wrote: Another example is freezing. In a lot of situations it is the best thing to do but very few people do it simply because it is boring. Freezing depends from situation to situation man. A Vladimir is never going to let you freeze for example A hypercary bot wants to freeze and someone like Jinx is perfectly able to, but Vayne is easily pushed in and has issues getting harassed even under turret. Then you have the dynamics of the supports. You may be able to freeze as Jinx, for example, but if you still get hooked, or poked to 20% hp, it's gonna be rough no matter what. My general rule is: -freeze if you're scaling, have an easily gankable lane and/or have a stronger 2v2. That way they always have to play a bit more scared, will lose more cs and will get killed if the jungler actually shows up. -push them in if they have waveclear issues and you can whittle them down with poke or range (or just have an abusive duo). This way you get an automatic creep lead and are able to prevent all ins simply by them having too little hp (but that typical blitz hook under turret though) But mostly the dynamic changes after the first back. If you have accumulated a large lead before first back, it's likely you'll just stomp. If they had good synergy and got good farm, it'll be pretty even, but you still might be able to take the turret first. For Jinx specifically, I like to push untill around lvl 4 and then I wana freeze the wave at the beginning of the river or a little bit closer to my turret. Pushing simply because her big rockets do work at lvl 1-3, you have good control wih zap (and chompers if you wana play safer and feel like all-ins are possible at every turn) and the lvl 4 is just because her range and kit allows for great manipulation/safety and can set up ganks pretty well. She also doesn't gain supermuch from putting points in Q before a first item and any attack speed imo, even though the minigun speedramp is always significant, if you have a BF sword and someone gets caught by 2 aa's, a zap and some more aa's, you can easily finish them off with your ult, or blow both their summoners just by yourself. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
I see it all the time how people could freeze the wave and just sit there for the next 5 minutes but that shit is just boring so they don't. Dunno how can you say putting points in q doesnt matter that much when it increases rocket range. Literally saw qtpie yesterday do this and say sorry to stream for being boring lol. | ||
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