EPT[Patch 5.18] League of Legends General Discussion - Page 15
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:15 VayneAuthority wrote: y'all ready know what trolls like me are gonna do, can't wait to queue up as support only and then in champ select be like ok guys top main here :^) unless the system like announces what you picked out loud...but that might make it even better Trolls will always be trolls and find a way, the question here is will this improve the post-trolls, people who become trolls because they did not get what they hoped for | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:05 Alaric wrote: Which still screws over people like me. On the other hand they design for the majority and the majority of people play casually, have one role or maybe too, and often only one champion for each (having people from legit Bronze up to Diamond on my friend list, most of them in Silver, you can tell). "Fill" means "my jungle and mid are worse than top and support, but I believe that I can make the gap not too impactful given the right circumstances"... circumstances which the new queue would deny me by forcing me to pick a role before we start banning and picking. That's more or less my issue with that queue. for what I understood there will be fill role, so you can just press this and you dont need to go for 2 roles | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
Anything else is just a far tier below these two options | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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739
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
That sounds optimistic. I had a decent time with teambuilder though, always kind of wished it caught on better/got improved. I don't know why mirrors are even an option outside of normal blind pick. Teambuilder has tons of issues like that, it's what makes it so unappealing for me. I use normal draft to practice because it takes so much less time (even with 5 dodges, which isn't too uncommon I've found), and you don't get kicked for wanting to try out support Kennen. If I want to play a real game, I go play ranked. But Teambuilder is only good if you want a game where you play a specific champion in a specific role, and isn't really good for general practice. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:29 Seuss wrote: I've lost track of what you guys are complaining about. Sounds like some people don't want to be tied down to a role before getting into a lobby and think Fill just means support. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:15 VayneAuthority wrote: y'all ready know what trolls like me are gonna do, can't wait to queue up as support only and then in champ select be like ok guys top main here :^) unless the system like announces what you picked out loud...but that might make it even better From the sound of it your teammates will know what position you ended up with and picking outside of it without discussing it with your team will be reportable. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:58 Sufficiency wrote: Anyone with some experience with Team Builder will tell you that no one likes to play support and it can potentially take a very long time until you can find someone. With this in mind, it is worrisome how Ranked Team Builder will turn out. A decent number of people play support in ranked, think it goes up past Plat because people realize you can actually win games by being a good support. But yeah, a lot of supports I see are just filling, they don't actually play the role. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
woah fucking fnatic. They are providing the best possible environment for players. im surprised that CLG is also there, HSGG is badass. The place TSM staying looks like a joke compared to this. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:24 M2 wrote: for what I understood there will be fill role, so you can just press this and you dont need to go for 2 roles I really do not want to play AD. Their system won't let me do this, I'll have to negociate whenever I get it. It also means the "fill" is skewed toward the least popular roles, which doesn't necessarily correlate with my kind of filling.  | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
The problem, essentially, is what happens when a person with a large number of roles picks first and takes a common as opposed to uncomon role. Now someone is in an off role. Or the FP gets a knock for playing what they want. This will happen with duo queues as well since they will not likely play their off role unless picking last. So unless you can structure pick order as well as team comp I can see a lot of problems. That doesn't seem impossible but it also doesn't seem ideal. Since then you can manipulate pick order by selecting your number of roles, and things like duo queues will almost never get their priority. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 24 2015 00:31 739 wrote: Ranked Teambuilder probably. I meant on a more specific level than that. That's probably because there are different people complaining about different things. On September 24 2015 01:02 Alaric wrote: I really do not want to play AD. Their system won't let me do this, I'll have to negociate whenever I get it. It also means the "fill" is skewed toward the least popular roles, which doesn't necessarily correlate with my kind of filling. What you mean is, the system won't let you choose "anything but AD". If we're assuming the system doesn't directly enforce the roles beyond players potentially reporting you for picking outside your selection, what's to stop you from picking two and then simply being more flexible than your selection implied? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 24 2015 01:43 TheYango wrote: Because being able to pick 4 roles would give you faster queue times than picking 2? That doesn't seem to be Alaric's focus, but regardless that depends on Riot's algorithms and available processing power. I noted this earlier, but the number of possible setups/combinations increases significantly as you increase the number of roles a player selects. "Fill" is probably only an option because there's an implicit assumption that you can be used as a pure wildcard and no weighting/preferences need to be considered. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On September 24 2015 02:03 Seuss wrote: That doesn't seem to be Alaric's focus, but regardless that depends on Riot's algorithms and available processing power. I noted this earlier, but the number of possible setups/combinations increases significantly as you increase the number of roles a player selects. "Fill" is probably only an option because there's an implicit assumption that you can be used as a pure wildcard and no weighting/preferences need to be considered. I doubt that matchmaking algorithms take up a lot of server power, compared to the data being transferred during a game it should be minuscule. Also, this isn't probability, the system sees you signed up for role A and B, a game with your MMR has a spot available for role A, you get put into role A (there's probably an order for filling specific roles). I would find it strange if the system considered a player for multiple games, because then players would always be being taken out of teams when they get into lobby. In the view of the system, there would be difference between the fill role and a normal player, you get put into the first available spot for you. Makes stuff faster too that way. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
overall the system should reduce champ select grief quite a bit. another option is to press fill and dodge if you get the 1 in 5 roles that you don't play. On September 24 2015 00:58 Sufficiency wrote: Anyone with some experience with Team Builder will tell you that no one likes to play support and it can potentially take a very long time until you can find someone. With this in mind, it is worrisome how Ranked Team Builder will turn out. this is because TB only lets you pick one role. by picking multiple you'd get more cases of people willing to support. the one thing i don't want, is this distinction that exists in TB between 'fighter', 'mage', 'assassin' etc this is what leads to 20 minute queues | ||
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