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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 23 2015 11:02 AlterKot wrote: http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/132719129282 Ranked in Season 6/preseason I assume. I wonder how it will work in practice, will being a fill main result in me just playing the least popular role in 99% games? i think this will be good for the game | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Derp, maybe I should just read the reddit comments. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On average, Ranked players only play 2.2 positions There is no way this is true. Then again, it's not clear at all what he actually means, so who knows. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
90-95% of my ranked games are either mid or jungle. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 23 2015 11:56 Ketara wrote: How is it not true? 90-95% of my ranked games are either mid or jungle. The statement is vague enough that it can be true and false. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 23 2015 11:55 Sufficiency wrote: Lyte said: There is no way this is true. Then again, it's not clear at all what he actually means, so who knows. The average doesn't fit into a while #. If somebody like me plays Jungle/Support and another player plays Top/Jungle/Mid, we play an average of 2.5 positions. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 23 2015 11:58 Gahlo wrote: The average doesn't fit into a while #. If somebody like me plays Jungle/Support and another player plays Top/Jungle/Mid, we play an average of 2.5 positions. The problem is what he means by "play 2.2 positions". What does he mean by "play X position"? If I am forced to play top in one game out of one hundred (even though I clearly prefer jungle), am I considered to have played the top position? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 23 2015 12:06 Sufficiency wrote: The problem is what he means by "play 2.2 positions". What does he mean by "play X position"? If I am forced to play top in one game out of one hundred (even though I clearly prefer jungle), am I considered to have played the top position? They probably look at it and go "This guy plays 40% jungle, 30% support, 15% top, 10% AD, and 5% mid. Probably safe to say he plays 2 positions." | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Edit: Only thing i could think of would be Sum(1 if >20%, %/20% if below 20%) So if you played precisely 20% of your games in each role you would play 5 roles. On the other hand, the only way to get 2.2 roles out of that is if most players played two main roles for 96% of their games. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 23 2015 12:15 Goumindong wrote: Yea, i have no idea how to construct a statistic which is going to tell you your average number of roles per 5 games or what not Here's one way: Parse pregame chatlogs and see how many roles on average a person calls. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 23 2015 12:15 Ketara wrote: Sounds to me like you are intentionally trying to obfuscate/misread what he's saying, sufficiency. I am not trying to obfuscate anything. I am just pointing out that the numbers he gave is misleading, if not just wrong. It's kind of like those tips you see at the beginning of the game "players who follow Summoners' Code wins 22% more games). | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 23 2015 12:18 Ketara wrote: Here's one way: Parse pregame chatlogs and see how many roles on average a person calls. But if they looked at pregame chat they would find the actually problematic players as opposed to the ones who call feeders "shit" and say "gg ez". | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 23 2015 12:15 Goumindong wrote: Yea, i have no idea how to construct a statistic which is going to tell you your average number of roles per 5 games or what not Where are you getting /5 games from? I'm sure somewhere Riot has a log of all the ranked games played this season. Do they have Teleport? Probably a top laner. Smite? Probably a jungler. Playing an ADC? Probably AS. Have a support item? Probably support. You can make very general assumptions to narrow down the most possible position played in that game without even having to look at full rosters. Yes, I realized that I didn't list anything for Mid, but that falls under process of elimination. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 23 2015 12:20 Gahlo wrote: Where are you getting /5 games from? I'm sure somewhere Riot has a log of all the ranked games played this season. Do they have Teleport? Probably a top laner. Smite? Probably a jungler. Playing an ADC? Probably AS. Have a support item? Probably support. You can make very general assumptions to narrow down the most possible position played in that game without even having to look at full rosters. Yes, I realized that I didn't list anything for Mid, but that falls under process of elimination. That part is easy. I have all of those in my own database. The problem is how Lyte defines a player to "play position X". If I played top Vladimir once because I was forced to, am I a top lane player now? Or is it based on self-reports like Ketara suggested? By the way I highly doubt that's what they did because that's really complicated. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 23 2015 12:24 Sufficiency wrote: That part is easy. I have all of those in my own database. The problem is how Lyte defines a player to "play position X". If I played top Vladimir once because I was forced to, am I a top lane player now? Or is it based on self-reports like Ketara suggested? By the way I highly doubt that's what they did because that's really complicated. On September 23 2015 12:13 Gahlo wrote: They probably look at it and go "This guy plays 40% jungle, 30% support, 15% top, 10% AD, and 5% mid. Probably safe to say he plays 2 positions." | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
So you are saying I can name my own cutoff (you set it at 30%, for example) to suit my own needs? What is so magical about 30%? | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On September 23 2015 12:20 Gahlo wrote: Where are you getting /5 games from? . Because you can only play 1 role per game so this stat caps at 1, more or less. Re: Chat parsing. Possible but i am not sure i would trust that self reporting. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It seems to me like it would be easy to use data from champ select to figure out what roles a person is likely to prefer to play, and then average that out amongst the while population. | ||
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