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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:38 MooMooMugi wrote: Lol very likely that TIP sends Gate to mid lane and Adrian back on support during this suspension, terrible decision by XWX but at least he admitted to it instead of denying it I have a feeling Adrian will not play for TiP anymore. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:38 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: I mean, eloboosting consistently for 1,5 years is kinda different. Anyway, Brayl teased an article about XWX's eloboosting heroics, gotta wait for it to get some information. http://www.dailydot.com/esports/xiaoweixiao-suspended-elo-boosting/ It's just a journalized version of the Reddit post from yesterday. Meh. $1400 isn't that much zz thought he was gonan drop some big figures. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
That said, I don't think XWX is valued enough for them to 'lift his ban.' At best, they throw him in a LSPL team and forget about him. The fact is, China is presently in no shortage of talent due to them importing all the best players they find in both the Chinese and Korean ladders. Thus, they give even less shit about XWX. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I'll believe LPL cares what Riot thinks if you can show me a single case where a Riot ruling impacted anything in LPL/LSPL/Chinese leagues. You know a loooot of the pros in China elo boost right? Elo boosting is a huge stream industry too. Also Tencent owns Riot, not the other way around. Do you know who runs LPL? Tencent Games Arena. First, let's assume XWX is going to get suspended for a year. During this time, if XWX is able to play for LPL, it would send a strong message that Riot's ruling has no effect on LPL. This is very different from your supposed theory of LPL turning a blind eye on eloboosting issues so it's not even remotely comparable. Secondly, this will be a huge shitstorm and a PR nightmare, both for Tencent and for Riot. You have to delusional to think Tencent want to have this kind of shitstorm just for a single player - XWX. Tencent gains NOTHING from letting XWX play in LPL and everything to lose from it. Tencent has to be absolutely retarded to think this is a good move. I guess you just hate Tencent and China for some reason, because there is absolutely no realistic scenario that XWX can play in LPL on the main roster while suspended by Riot. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
There will be no PR nightmare in China - Chinese fans don't give two shits about elo boosting. If anything they'd think it's hilarious that XWX can come back to get wrecked in LPL. You should really stop commenting on the topic since you obviously don't really know anything about how League operates in China. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:27 Ansibled wrote: Trick got a 12 game suspension and 60 hour community service. Wait What What kind of community service and was that a Riot punishment or some other league's punishment? | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:43 Sufficiency wrote: First, let's assume XWX is going to get suspended for a year. During this time, if XWX is able to play for LPL, it would send a strong message that Riot's ruling has no effect on LPL. This is very different from your supposed theory of LPL turning a blind eye on eloboosting issues so it's not even remotely comparable. Secondly, this will be a huge shitstorm and a PR nightmare, both for Tencent and for Riot. You have to delusional to think Tencent want to have this kind of shitstorm just for a single player - XWX. Tencent gains NOTHING from letting XWX play in LPL and everything to lose from it. Tencent has to be absolutely retarded to think this is a good move. I guess you just hate Tencent and China for some reason, because there is absolutely no realistic scenario that XWX can play in LPL on the main roster while suspended by Riot. Pretty sure Sheep is Chinese. There probably is some "China strong!" at play here. I dont think he is wrong though, and while Tencent doesnt have much to gain here they also dont have much to lose. In the end this is a rather irrelvant point to the topic at hand though. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:48 AlterKot wrote: Wait What What kind of community service and was that a Riot punishment or some other league's punishment? Riot Korea/KeSPA combo is rather harsh, nothing new. He was supposed to get way stricter punishment initially. On July 23 2015 06:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: http://www.dailydot.com/esports/xiaoweixiao-suspended-elo-boosting/ It's just a journalized version of the Reddit post from yesterday. Meh. $1400 isn't that much zz thought he was gonan drop some big figures. Yea, boring ;; Secondly, this will be a huge shitstorm and a PR nightmare, both for Tencent and for Riot. Holy shit, Sufficiency. Do you seriously believe that league where Baixing exists will care about some benchwarmer is eloboosting. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:48 AlterKot wrote: Wait What What kind of community service and was that a Riot punishment or some other league's punishment? http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/478317-pro-scene-rumor-mill?page=88#1757 XWX won't play in LPL he probably isn't good enough, doubt anyone would care about him in LSPL. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:51 Ansibled wrote: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/478317-pro-scene-rumor-mill?page=88#1757 XWX won't play in LPL he probably isn't good enough, doubt anyone would care about him in LSPL. Considering that Imagine got picked up as jungler for HUYA's team, XWX could probably get into some squads, it's not out of realm of possibilities. Like, he could probably join Newbee and not be awful there for example, at least and so on. But then again, we don't know how will competitive League's world look after this Worlds, how many Koreans will return, etc, etc. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: If XWX doesn't play on a LPL roster it will fully because no team thinks he's good enough (or he doesn't even want to play competitive in China), and not because of any consideration of Riot bans. There will be no PR nightmare in China - Chinese fans don't give two shits about elo boosting. If anything they'd think it's hilarious that XWX can come back to get wrecked in LPL. You should really stop commenting on the topic since you obviously don't really know anything about how League operates in China. I don't think you know how anything works. You don't just abuse your power for fun while in a position of power. You fundamentally assume Tencent is stupid, which it is not. Let's see why Tencent will favour Riot instead of LPL: 1. Riot Games is way bigger of a business than LPL. Does LPL bring in 1 billion dollars in revenue? An internationally recognized brand? If there is a conflict between two departments of Tencent, who do you think Tencent will listen to? Tencent is a conglomerate, how will it acquire other companies if something like this happens? 2. LPL can only function if Riot doesn't go to shit. In fact, LPL depends on Riot Games regardless of your crazy theories. 3. It's ridiculous to think Chinese fans don't give two shits about elo boosting. If you enjoy getting crushed in ranked 24/7 by professional boosters then you have bigger problems. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On July 23 2015 06:21 Sufficiency wrote: If I recall correctly, someone got banned for an entire year for elo boosting recently. Shernfire. It was multiple offenses though. Regardless, XWX has fucked himself here. He is completely dependent on Riot being lenient. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Gate listed as mid, Adrian as support Grats to Gate for being the first emergency NA mid sub that isn't mancloud or jintae :> | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 23 2015 07:00 Sufficiency wrote: 3. It's ridiculous to think Chinese fans don't give two shits about elo boosting. If you enjoy getting crushed in ranked 24/7 by professional boosters then you have bigger problems. Why are you trying to tell someone who is fluent in Chinese and who has actively followed the Chinese League community for years at this point what China is going to think? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On July 23 2015 07:06 Fusilero wrote: http://euw.lolesports.com/na-lcs/2015/summer/teams/team-impulse Gate listed as mid, Adrian as support Grats to Gate for being the first emergency NA mid sub that isn't mancloud or jintae :> Or Regi. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 23 2015 07:00 Sufficiency wrote: Let's see why Tencent will favour Riot instead of LPL: 1. Riot Games is way bigger of a business than LPL. Does LPL bring in 1 billion dollars in revenue? An internationally recognized brand? If there is a conflict between two departments of Tencent, who do you think Tencent will listen to? Tencent is a conglomerate, how will it acquire other companies if something like this happens? 2. LPL can only function if Riot doesn't go to shit. In fact, LPL depends on Riot Games regardless of your crazy theories. See, the thing is here you're misinterpreting who has the initiative here. The ball isn't in Tencent's court to actively defy Riot. It's in Riot's court to actually go to Tencent to tell them to enforce Riot's Western rules in China. Which they won't do because there's literally no incentive to do that. It's a bunch of hassle for nothing. China doesn't give a rat's ass, and once XWX goes back to China, nobody in the West will give a fuck either, because Western audiences have an attention span of 2 weeks tops for "drama" and less than that if it involves someone in an Asian region. So XWX will go back to China, play on some LSPL team, and Riot will do nothing because literally nobody in the community will give a fuck once he's not in LCS anymore. The idea that this is some sort of insurmountable PR nightmare that can only be resolved if Tencent chooses to uphold Riot's decision is not grounded in any reasonable understanding of the League community, Western or Chinese. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 23 2015 07:00 Sufficiency wrote: I don't think you know how anything works. You don't just abuse your power for fun while in a position of power. You fundamentally assume Tencent is stupid, which it is not. Pretty much. Just because Tencent can get away with undermining Riot's authority doesn't mean it's in their best interest to do so or that they'll do so on a whim. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 23 2015 07:11 TheYango wrote: China's blatant disregard for the one team per organization rule since LPL's inception should tell you how little China actually cares about how Riot runs League in the west. Why are you trying to tell someone who is fluent in Chinese and who has actively followed the Chinese League community for years at this point what China is going to think? Does he play in China? No. He is in NYC speculating on what happens in China. Regarding the one team per organization rule, it's not clear that they are actually breaking it. You can go down in the books and demonstrate that certain teams may or may not be owned by the same company and LPL is turning a blind eye on it, but it's very different from Riot saying specifically that "XWX can't compete" and LPL openly violating it. In fact, Riot may or may not have turned a blind eye on EG/LMQ themselves. Like the perceived issue with eloboosting in China, it's not even a comparable scenario. | ||
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