• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:51
CEST 08:51
KST 15:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202542Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up5LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced55
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins EWC 2025 Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Would you prefer the game to be balanced around top-tier pro level or average pro level? Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers? [G] Progamer Settings Help, I can't log into staredit.net BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine 9/11 Anniversary Possible Al Qaeda Attack on 9/11
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 591 users

[Patch 5.13] Tahm Kench General Discussion - Page 33

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 31 32 33 34 35 41 Next All
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 18 2015 11:22 GMT
#641
On July 18 2015 20:10 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +

Bjergson, as the in game shot caller (IIRC) needs to be an expert on team compositions. Because you have to be an expert on team compositions to know when and how your team can engage and you have to do that to shot call.


Yeh you might have a point. That said, when noone on the team understands team compositions properly, isn't that also the role of the coach to teach them how to play in different scenarios? Creating that knowledge might take time, but Loco has been a year at TSM.

Based on what Regi says about Bjergsen, the latter is constantly willing to learn and thus I think he is definitely open for well-reasoned arguments/analysis about teamcompositions.

Problem with bjerg is he has too much on his plate.He has to basically be the shotcaller/the carry/the emotional leader/the one who questions the coach.It isn't a coincidence his shotcalling is based around making santorin/lustboy help him mid.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-18 12:15:03
July 18 2015 12:14 GMT
#642
clearly bjerg should let the inferior players make the calls and let has-been/never-was loco decide on comps
works in the wildly different arena of regular sports lol
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 18 2015 12:26 GMT
#643
Problem is who exactly is gonna shotcall if it isn't bjergsen?Let's be honest it's not like bjergsen is a good shotcaller problem is everyone else is even worse at it.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 18 2015 12:31 GMT
#644
im not sure if you detected my sarcasm or you did and you're just musing
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-18 12:43:53
July 18 2015 12:37 GMT
#645
On July 18 2015 13:25 iCanada wrote:
Wtf does one build on Karthus now a days? I just rolled him in ARAM.

Man those AP Itemization changes kick him when he was down. RoA nerfs make him noticeably Squishier. Without Sivir he can't even get into the back line to die without flash.

Would be sick engage though if you had a Tahm Kench on your team.


Skip Roa. Rylai's/Liandry's replaces it wholesale. He's now a lot stronger. Tear>Rylai's>Archangel's>Dcap>Liandry's or Void>Whichever you didn't get. Occasionally skip Void for Zhonya's if you need it.

Karthus is probably one of the biggest benefactor's of Liandry's now being godtier, Rylai's being a NLR item, and Seraph's giving a fuckton more AP. He's never built CDR so loved tear anyway, loves the extra health and slow of Rylai, and benefits enormously from Liandry's in any counter-engage scenario.
XDG Mata
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 18 2015 12:40 GMT
#646
I thought Tear --> Rylai was the favoured Karthus build already.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-18 13:11:05
July 18 2015 13:03 GMT
#647
So I started playing league again. Every single game I have a teammate feeding uncontrollably. What do. Feel like I'm going to be placed in bronze at this rate. Down 3 tiers!

edit: Oh guess placements don't mean that much, went silver 2, so only down a little from last season lol. Went 1-9 ROFL
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
July 18 2015 16:37 GMT
#648
either embrace it, feed harder than them, start drinking or turn into a god that can hard carry
you can pick more than one
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-18 16:53:16
July 18 2015 16:52 GMT
#649
On July 19 2015 01:37 SagaZ wrote:
either embrace it, feed harder than them, start drinking or turn into a god that can hard carry
you can pick more than one

Picking all was how I got to 10 minute ARAM queue time. Stay away from picking multiple, makes you carry too hard and too often.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
July 18 2015 18:19 GMT
#650
On July 18 2015 20:10 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +

Bjergson, as the in game shot caller (IIRC) needs to be an expert on team compositions. Because you have to be an expert on team compositions to know when and how your team can engage and you have to do that to shot call.


Yeh you might have a point. That said, when noone on the team understands team compositions properly, isn't that also the role of the coach to teach them how to play in different scenarios? Creating that knowledge might take time, but Loco has been a year at TSM.

Based on what Regi says about Bjergsen, the latter is constantly willing to learn and thus I think he is definitely open for well-reasoned arguments/analysis about teamcompositions.

Oh, absolutely. Bjerg needs to be an expert to shot call. But he shouldn't be coordinating pick ban because he needs to be using that time to evaluate how to play the game.

If loco can't pick/ban he needs to be let go for someone who can.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 18 2015 18:22 GMT
#651
Lyte is actually insane.

[image loading]
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-18 18:37:54
July 18 2015 18:36 GMT
#652
It's kind of funny how anal Riot are about "toxic". People are assholes all the time in real life, it's a part of living yet they come up with such insane excuses for not having features based on that. The beautiful thing about online is that you can just mute the guy and never see him again where as most of the time getting rid of an asshole bothering you in real life is rather hard.
On July 19 2015 01:37 SagaZ wrote:
either embrace it, feed harder than them, start drinking or turn into a god that can hard carry
you can pick more than one


Wise man. I shall do this. It's gotten a bit easier since I got placed.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 18 2015 19:49 GMT
#653
--- Nuked ---
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-18 21:20:59
July 18 2015 21:17 GMT
#654
Ok guys really pls stop comparing irl and the fucking anonymous internet.If you tried to play some games with teenagers who aren't scared of getting beat up on the spot they would behave the same unless there is a specific reason they shouldn't.It isn't a coincidence tons of the people who are toxic online don't behave like that irl.

I honestly think lyte is trolling at this point and trying to see just how much of this bs people will buy.

If only you could press mute and the guy who intentionally fed the last 3 games who is on your team again stopped suiciding at the tower....But no focus on the people who write random words which are "offensive" when you can just make them go away with the press of a button.

Also let's be real most people who play a lot of videogames tend to be nerds angry at the world.Not a surprise they take it out on random people on the internet.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 18 2015 21:29 GMT
#655
Riot's obsession with chat is cult-like. And let me defend gamers. They are not all nerds angry at the world, and most the time people aren't toxic. And when they are, its usually not chat related, and if it is chat related, its usually because someone else was a jerk in a non-chat way first. The people who seem angry at the world are the chat-crusaders who follow Lyte as if he was Jarvan charging into battle.
Freeeeeeedom
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 19 2015 00:29 GMT
#656
On July 18 2015 15:38 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't see why you would want Seraph instead of RoA unless you enjoy being instantly blown up.

is the way to play karthus not
cast w turn on e and run in and die anymore?

cause that was always the most fun way to play, then drop r when you died while your team made them fight in defile
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 19 2015 00:32 GMT
#657
On July 19 2015 09:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 15:38 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't see why you would want Seraph instead of RoA unless you enjoy being instantly blown up.

is the way to play karthus not
cast w turn on e and run in and die anymore?

cause that was always the most fun way to play, then drop r when you died while your team made them fight in defile


Try to get through Maokai+Nautlilus to die in their back line. lol. You die pretty much instantly then dont really do much after you die.

Thats why no one plays Karthus anymore.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 19 2015 00:36 GMT
#658
You can't be a deathbot anymore. He's counterengage. Too much burst and disengage in the meta right now.

Also nobody builds Liandry's because they're stupid.
XDG Mata
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 19 2015 01:19 GMT
#659
On July 19 2015 09:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 15:38 Sufficiency wrote:
I don't see why you would want Seraph instead of RoA unless you enjoy being instantly blown up.

is the way to play karthus not
cast w turn on e and run in and die anymore?

cause that was always the most fun way to play, then drop r when you died while your team made them fight in defile


I don't think that's the right way to play him, especially when a lot of people build tanky.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 19 2015 01:59 GMT
#660
Normally I rather dislike Thorin...

But I really agree with what he has to say RE: TSM drama.

Prev 1 31 32 33 34 35 41 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
Elite Rising Star #16 - Day 1
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
-ZergGirl 134
ProTech33
StarCraft: Brood War
ggaemo 1881
Pusan 466
Leta 314
PianO 103
Backho 89
Noble 66
GoRush 49
HiyA 26
Bale 12
NaDa 4
Dota 2
ODPixel21
League of Legends
JimRising 683
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K843
Other Games
summit1g10106
Tasteless243
NeuroSwarm56
Pyrionflax51
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1226
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 41
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH360
• davetesta30
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1836
• Stunt485
• HappyZerGling192
Other Games
• Scarra983
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 10m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4h 10m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
8h 10m
PiGosaur Monday
17h 10m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 4h
Stormgate Nexus
1d 7h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 9h
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
LiuLi Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
CSO Cup
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
RotterdaM Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.