EPT[Patch 5.12] Runeglaive General Discussion - Page 9
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 26 2015 12:12 Slusher wrote: how about, just don't rework a champion that has uses as is. But $$$$$$  | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
But I don't think there's any way for her to go that fans will be happy with, tbh. Much like old Xerath. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On June 26 2015 13:09 Caiada wrote: Diana just needs numbers changes to stop the assassin thing and make her a proper bruiser. Nobody with a decent shield and decent aoe initiation should kill in 2 seconds or be so heavily balanced towards building to do so. But I don't think there's any way for her to go that fans will be happy with, tbh. Much like old Xerath. I was an old Xerath player, equally salty about that one. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 26 2015 13:13 cLutZ wrote: I don't think Diana has fundamental problems, Riot just needs to tinker with her values. Maybe more E centric? W? I'm not sure, but the problem is she is way too invectivized to RR the same target which makes her a tanky Ap talon, which just can't work the way they have developed Ap and ad carries. Diana has problems. Her play pattern is kind of bad and Riot needs to decide on what she should be instead of the limbo state she is in right now. I think Diana shoild be made a bruiser and resemble Irelia more. But given Diana's current AP ratio and W, she is more of an assassin in playstyle without a good kit for an assassin. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On June 26 2015 14:30 Sufficiency wrote: Diana has problems. Her play pattern is kind of bad and Riot needs to decide on what she should be instead of the limbo state she is in right now. I think Diana shoild be made a bruiser and resemble Irelia more. But given Diana's current AP ratio and W, she is more of an assassin in playstyle without a good kit for an assassin. Riot's gone on record saying that there's a weird dichotomy with Diana's kit: you want to play her as an AP assassin, but that's so hard to balance properly and if you build her as a AP bruiser that's almost ok, but it's still not everything they want out of her. If memory serves, they like how Q and R work and that combo, and are kinda ok with the W's shield (in that it's meant to be how she keeps herself alive during a trade/all-in), but the E is so weird to the kit that they don't know what to do with it, and if they want to give her a new skill, should they move her R to E and give her a new ult, or let her have this really weak early game because she's lacking a core part of her kit pre-6, when not many champions have a core part of their kit locked away until 6. | ||
739
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On June 26 2015 16:29 739 wrote: I just saw on PBE that they're updating game HUD, that's awesome. Also green dot saying if your allies ultimate is ready, wee. You know we already have that last part, right? | ||
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739
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On June 26 2015 17:30 739 wrote: Oh, do we? I've played yesterday after 2 month break and I didn't notice :D We've had it for more than 2 years at this point. | ||
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739
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On June 26 2015 17:37 Fildun wrote: We've had it for more than 2 years at this point. Oh we're talking about two different things then. ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5fYtLkxDe20/VYumjRAd_nI/AAAAAAAAsZk/jPQ8k30gA-U/s640/allyR.jpg) Edit : yeah, my bad, I wasn't precise on what I've meant. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Edit: ya but you talked about a dot. We have a dot, black if on cd, green if not.  And I really dislike how super rightmost the HUD is, without letting you decide if you wanna move things around or just switch sides or something. I want my items on the left right with my champion stats dammit. | ||
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kongoline
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Either her W or E needs to go for something else. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 26 2015 21:46 Sufficiency wrote: Speaking of Diana, I see her as being somewhat similar to Irelia who can be very sticky so long as she lands her Q for R resets. But Diana has a shield (scales with AP), a vacuum (a considerable initiation), and worst of all she is packed with AOE damage. Either her W or E needs to go for something else. In that light, you can look at the shield as replacing the healing from Irelia's W and R. Moonflair Spellblade, Rito pls. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 26 2015 21:56 gobbledydook wrote: I don't really get what the problem with diana is. She's a slightly harder to kill melee ap assassin so similar to fizz. I think her identity is fine. Riot's design philosophy is that an assassin that is doing well should be able to go in, kill something, and get out. Diana when behind goes in and can't kill anything. When even, goes in and kills somebody, then dies. Or lastly, when ahead, goes in and kills everyone. In none of those cases can she "get out." In one of those cases, she isn't an assassin. In the end, Riot wants her to be more of an AP bruiser than an assassin but that's tricky to balance with the QRR burst. That is, so they say. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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