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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
June 22 2015 21:25 GMT
#561
On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote:
Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities?

Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs.

How does the game get recorded normally?

Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens?

When a nexus goes boom, I would expect.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 22 2015 21:32 GMT
#562
On June 23 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote:
Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities?

Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs.

How does the game get recorded normally?

Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens?

When a nexus goes boom, I would expect.

Doesn't sound like a great idea.
Freeeeeeedom
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 22 2015 21:48 GMT
#563
On June 23 2015 05:35 Seuss wrote:
That's pretty ridiculous. If I still played seriously I'd easily quit over that (it's literally why I quit War3 back in the day, the first disconnect hack came out).


honestly with all the scripters/drophackers if i had something else to do i wouldnt be playing league
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
June 22 2015 21:51 GMT
#564
On June 23 2015 06:48 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 05:35 Seuss wrote:
That's pretty ridiculous. If I still played seriously I'd easily quit over that (it's literally why I quit War3 back in the day, the first disconnect hack came out).


honestly with all the scripters/drophackers if i had something else to do i wouldnt be playing league

If only we had a life...
But in absence of that, better play League.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 22:00:02
June 22 2015 21:59 GMT
#565
On June 23 2015 06:32 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote:
Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities?

Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs.

How does the game get recorded normally?

Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens?

When a nexus goes boom, I would expect.

Doesn't sound like a great idea.

Better then the server holding a ton of active games with nobody playing them and having one side win because #winions.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 23 2015 00:41 GMT
#566
On June 23 2015 06:59 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 06:32 cLutZ wrote:
On June 23 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote:
Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities?

Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs.

How does the game get recorded normally?

Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens?

When a nexus goes boom, I would expect.

Doesn't sound like a great idea.

Better then the server holding a ton of active games with nobody playing them and having one side win because #winions.

Well they could pause the game... You know like of a player DCs in StarCraft, or like they do in lcs.
Freeeeeeedom
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
June 23 2015 03:25 GMT
#567
Please return Ryze to his beta days where his R used to be his Q.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
June 23 2015 04:34 GMT
#568
On June 23 2015 09:41 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 06:59 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 06:32 cLutZ wrote:
On June 23 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:
On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote:
Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities?

Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs.

How does the game get recorded normally?

Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens?

When a nexus goes boom, I would expect.

Doesn't sound like a great idea.

Better then the server holding a ton of active games with nobody playing them and having one side win because #winions.

Well they could pause the game... You know like of a player DCs in StarCraft, or like they do in lcs.

And then the ddoser knocks people out again.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 23 2015 07:03 GMT
#569
Sounds like I just made DDOSing less advantageous
Freeeeeeedom
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
June 23 2015 11:08 GMT
#570
The obnoxious thing is that it sounds like Riot cannot do anything against it.

First it is hard to investigate because the game disappears from match history and few people take the time to screenshot the teams+open a support ticket.

Even if you do, there are 10 people in the game, anyone of them could be drop hacking (even if obviously there's a high chance the cheater is on the losing team and the guy opening the ticket is innocent).

Riot support just tells you that they have forwarded everything to the investigation team but they can't give you any details about if anyone will get punished.

Even if somehow the guy gets banned he can just create an other account, riot has already stated that they ban accounts and not people.

The only solution would be tackling the problem at its root : server side.

I mean there's no way these cheating kids have thousands of botnets on their hands so they are probably paying for some software with bots behind it, these could be blocked by riot's security infrastructure before reaching their servers.

A more strict method would be to allow only the 10 ip addresses from the start of the game to ever connect to that game's server, that would cause problems for people rebooting their routers during the game and getting an other ip address though... so I can see why they are not doing it.

I'm really curious as to what riot is doing about this, it seems like they are just hoping that it doesn't grow too much and affects only a small % of the playerbase so it doesn't become a "real" problem for them.
Kaethis
Profile Joined January 2015
Netherlands112 Posts
June 23 2015 12:25 GMT
#571
Part of the problem as well is that there's a bunch of people who don't even know that a drophack exists, and when the game just goes belly-up they assume it's one of the myriad of bugs we've all seen over the time we've played league. Up to about diamond league it doesn't happen much apparantly, and I have 2 friends in d1 who had no idea what it was untill I duo'd with them a few times, so it seems 'localized' around mid/low diamond. This drops the number of reports even further.

Pushing out information on the hack would probably only create more people who do it, so it's a no-win situation. I don't know what they can do about it on the coding end but I guess it's not all that simple.

Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 23 2015 12:54 GMT
#572
If it's a form of DDOS then it's extremely difficult to fix. Not impossible, but certainly on the opposite end of the spectrum from trivial.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
June 23 2015 13:08 GMT
#573
On June 23 2015 16:03 cLutZ wrote:
Sounds like I just made DDOSing less advantageous

It'd have the sideeffect of easily bogging down the gameserver with tons of unfinished games and make higher Elo unplayable since a lot of people could be 'locked' up in a game rather than just queuing up again.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-23 14:54:27
June 23 2015 14:52 GMT
#574
On June 21 2015 14:50 MagnusWolf wrote:
Im in there too, just plat5 atm T_T


\o/

edit - oh god this was old, uhhh league content...

Just played against Varus mid for the first time. It was just annoying as hell, and neither I nor jungler had hard CC, so he just ghosted away any time there was danger.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 23 2015 15:30 GMT
#575
On June 23 2015 20:08 RouaF wrote:
The obnoxious thing is that it sounds like Riot cannot do anything against it.

First it is hard to investigate because the game disappears from match history and few people take the time to screenshot the teams+open a support ticket.

Even if you do, there are 10 people in the game, anyone of them could be drop hacking (even if obviously there's a high chance the cheater is on the losing team and the guy opening the ticket is innocent).

Riot support just tells you that they have forwarded everything to the investigation team but they can't give you any details about if anyone will get punished.

Even if somehow the guy gets banned he can just create an other account, riot has already stated that they ban accounts and not people.

The only solution would be tackling the problem at its root : server side.

I mean there's no way these cheating kids have thousands of botnets on their hands so they are probably paying for some software with bots behind it, these could be blocked by riot's security infrastructure before reaching their servers.

A more strict method would be to allow only the 10 ip addresses from the start of the game to ever connect to that game's server, that would cause problems for people rebooting their routers during the game and getting an other ip address though... so I can see why they are not doing it.

I'm really curious as to what riot is doing about this, it seems like they are just hoping that it doesn't grow too much and affects only a small % of the playerbase so it doesn't become a "real" problem for them.


You have to be crazy to think dropped games are foreverly lost with no records at all.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 23 2015 16:16 GMT
#576
I saw 3 morde tops last night?? Was there a front page reddit video or something?
Carrilord has arrived.
thejuju
Profile Joined January 2015
United States413 Posts
June 23 2015 16:26 GMT
#577
On June 23 2015 23:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 14:50 MagnusWolf wrote:
Im in there too, just plat5 atm T_T


\o/

edit - oh god this was old, uhhh league content...

Just played against Varus mid for the first time. It was just annoying as hell, and neither I nor jungler had hard CC, so he just ghosted away any time there was danger.


Yesterday I played as varus mid and it was hilarious. Bot lane was absolutely trash so vayne got super fed and ended the game with 30 kills or something. But they had like zero siege so when they tried to take tier 2 mid or inhib turret I just poked the entire team down until vayne was left pretty much by herself so we could 5 man her. We actually won the game because my poke was too stronk lol
@whyjujuwhy | THE BIGGEST FRAUD ON LL | Ultimate Passionlord | N E V E R G I V E U P
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-23 16:59:28
June 23 2015 16:59 GMT
#578
So I want to pick up toplane. Been a jungle/support main for like... 4 years, highest ranking D3. What to do? Use a smurf and spam ranked games top? I did pretty good with Lulu top when that was a thing, and I can play Garen and Cho.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 23 2015 17:12 GMT
#579
Truth is riot just dont give a shit about individual cases.Have sent replays/screenshots of people so many times already and all of them are still playing daily.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 23 2015 17:32 GMT
#580
It's entirely possible that Riot is pulling a Blizzard and is collecting information to do a mass banning once they have a fix for the problem. I hope that's the case but only Riot knows.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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