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On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote: Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities? Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs. How does the game get recorded normally? Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens? When a nexus goes boom, I would expect.
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On June 23 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote: Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities? Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs. How does the game get recorded normally? Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens? When a nexus goes boom, I would expect. Doesn't sound like a great idea.
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On June 23 2015 05:35 Seuss wrote: That's pretty ridiculous. If I still played seriously I'd easily quit over that (it's literally why I quit War3 back in the day, the first disconnect hack came out).
honestly with all the scripters/drophackers if i had something else to do i wouldnt be playing league
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On June 23 2015 06:48 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 05:35 Seuss wrote: That's pretty ridiculous. If I still played seriously I'd easily quit over that (it's literally why I quit War3 back in the day, the first disconnect hack came out).
honestly with all the scripters/drophackers if i had something else to do i wouldnt be playing league If only we had a life... But in absence of that, better play League.
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On June 23 2015 06:32 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote: Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities? Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs. How does the game get recorded normally? Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens? When a nexus goes boom, I would expect. Doesn't sound like a great idea. Better then the server holding a ton of active games with nobody playing them and having one side win because #winions.
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On June 23 2015 06:59 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 06:32 cLutZ wrote:On June 23 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote: Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities? Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs. How does the game get recorded normally? Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens? When a nexus goes boom, I would expect. Doesn't sound like a great idea. Better then the server holding a ton of active games with nobody playing them and having one side win because #winions. Well they could pause the game... You know like of a player DCs in StarCraft, or like they do in lcs.
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Please return Ryze to his beta days where his R used to be his Q.
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On June 23 2015 09:41 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 06:59 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 06:32 cLutZ wrote:On June 23 2015 06:25 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 06:20 cLutZ wrote:On June 23 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:On June 23 2015 05:40 cLutZ wrote: Is the game totally disappearing an artifact of their client basically being two separate entities? Nope, that's a ddos kicking everybody from the game. Since nobody is playing the server drops the game. Same way if you make a custom game by yourself and then leave it the game poofs. How does the game get recorded normally? Does it only register a game when the postgame lobby opens? When a nexus goes boom, I would expect. Doesn't sound like a great idea. Better then the server holding a ton of active games with nobody playing them and having one side win because #winions. Well they could pause the game... You know like of a player DCs in StarCraft, or like they do in lcs. And then the ddoser knocks people out again.
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Sounds like I just made DDOSing less advantageous
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The obnoxious thing is that it sounds like Riot cannot do anything against it.
First it is hard to investigate because the game disappears from match history and few people take the time to screenshot the teams+open a support ticket.
Even if you do, there are 10 people in the game, anyone of them could be drop hacking (even if obviously there's a high chance the cheater is on the losing team and the guy opening the ticket is innocent).
Riot support just tells you that they have forwarded everything to the investigation team but they can't give you any details about if anyone will get punished.
Even if somehow the guy gets banned he can just create an other account, riot has already stated that they ban accounts and not people.
The only solution would be tackling the problem at its root : server side.
I mean there's no way these cheating kids have thousands of botnets on their hands so they are probably paying for some software with bots behind it, these could be blocked by riot's security infrastructure before reaching their servers.
A more strict method would be to allow only the 10 ip addresses from the start of the game to ever connect to that game's server, that would cause problems for people rebooting their routers during the game and getting an other ip address though... so I can see why they are not doing it.
I'm really curious as to what riot is doing about this, it seems like they are just hoping that it doesn't grow too much and affects only a small % of the playerbase so it doesn't become a "real" problem for them.
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Part of the problem as well is that there's a bunch of people who don't even know that a drophack exists, and when the game just goes belly-up they assume it's one of the myriad of bugs we've all seen over the time we've played league. Up to about diamond league it doesn't happen much apparantly, and I have 2 friends in d1 who had no idea what it was untill I duo'd with them a few times, so it seems 'localized' around mid/low diamond. This drops the number of reports even further.
Pushing out information on the hack would probably only create more people who do it, so it's a no-win situation. I don't know what they can do about it on the coding end but I guess it's not all that simple.
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If it's a form of DDOS then it's extremely difficult to fix. Not impossible, but certainly on the opposite end of the spectrum from trivial.
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On June 23 2015 16:03 cLutZ wrote: Sounds like I just made DDOSing less advantageous It'd have the sideeffect of easily bogging down the gameserver with tons of unfinished games and make higher Elo unplayable since a lot of people could be 'locked' up in a game rather than just queuing up again.
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On June 21 2015 14:50 MagnusWolf wrote: Im in there too, just plat5 atm T_T
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edit - oh god this was old, uhhh league content...
Just played against Varus mid for the first time. It was just annoying as hell, and neither I nor jungler had hard CC, so he just ghosted away any time there was danger.
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On June 23 2015 20:08 RouaF wrote: The obnoxious thing is that it sounds like Riot cannot do anything against it.
First it is hard to investigate because the game disappears from match history and few people take the time to screenshot the teams+open a support ticket.
Even if you do, there are 10 people in the game, anyone of them could be drop hacking (even if obviously there's a high chance the cheater is on the losing team and the guy opening the ticket is innocent).
Riot support just tells you that they have forwarded everything to the investigation team but they can't give you any details about if anyone will get punished.
Even if somehow the guy gets banned he can just create an other account, riot has already stated that they ban accounts and not people.
The only solution would be tackling the problem at its root : server side.
I mean there's no way these cheating kids have thousands of botnets on their hands so they are probably paying for some software with bots behind it, these could be blocked by riot's security infrastructure before reaching their servers.
A more strict method would be to allow only the 10 ip addresses from the start of the game to ever connect to that game's server, that would cause problems for people rebooting their routers during the game and getting an other ip address though... so I can see why they are not doing it.
I'm really curious as to what riot is doing about this, it seems like they are just hoping that it doesn't grow too much and affects only a small % of the playerbase so it doesn't become a "real" problem for them.
You have to be crazy to think dropped games are foreverly lost with no records at all.
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I saw 3 morde tops last night?? Was there a front page reddit video or something?
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On June 23 2015 23:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:\o/ edit - oh god this was old, uhhh league content... Just played against Varus mid for the first time. It was just annoying as hell, and neither I nor jungler had hard CC, so he just ghosted away any time there was danger.
Yesterday I played as varus mid and it was hilarious. Bot lane was absolutely trash so vayne got super fed and ended the game with 30 kills or something. But they had like zero siege so when they tried to take tier 2 mid or inhib turret I just poked the entire team down until vayne was left pretty much by herself so we could 5 man her. We actually won the game because my poke was too stronk lol
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So I want to pick up toplane. Been a jungle/support main for like... 4 years, highest ranking D3. What to do? Use a smurf and spam ranked games top? I did pretty good with Lulu top when that was a thing, and I can play Garen and Cho.
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Truth is riot just dont give a shit about individual cases.Have sent replays/screenshots of people so many times already and all of them are still playing daily.
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It's entirely possible that Riot is pulling a Blizzard and is collecting information to do a mass banning once they have a fix for the problem. I hope that's the case but only Riot knows.
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