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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 14 2015 03:09 GMT
#221
On June 14 2015 11:51 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 11:41 Ansibled wrote:
So I played a few games of Leblanc, W just feels really unsatisfying to use and it's pretty easy to get it interrupted now.

I would prefer they revert speed and just nerf her damage/cd... it's not like people couldn't dodge/interrupt it before anyway but now it's so slow and it becomes easy to lose your damage from it.

it's a .087 second difference

While it may seem small, considering human reaction time threshold, it makes a huge difference.
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 14 2015 03:12 GMT
#222
Quick, how the hell to people rune Eve jungle?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 14 2015 03:21 GMT
#223
On June 14 2015 12:12 iCanada wrote:
Quick, how the hell to people rune Eve jungle?

http://champion.gg/champion/Evelynn
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 14 2015 03:30 GMT
#224
On June 14 2015 11:51 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 11:41 Ansibled wrote:
So I played a few games of Leblanc, W just feels really unsatisfying to use and it's pretty easy to get it interrupted now.

I would prefer they revert speed and just nerf her damage/cd... it's not like people couldn't dodge/interrupt it before anyway but now it's so slow and it becomes easy to lose your damage from it.

it's a .087 second difference


Yea, us East coasters have been playing nerfed Leblanc all along!
Freeeeeeedom
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 14 2015 03:49 GMT
#225
On June 14 2015 12:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 11:51 Frolossus wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:41 Ansibled wrote:
So I played a few games of Leblanc, W just feels really unsatisfying to use and it's pretty easy to get it interrupted now.

I would prefer they revert speed and just nerf her damage/cd... it's not like people couldn't dodge/interrupt it before anyway but now it's so slow and it becomes easy to lose your damage from it.

it's a .087 second difference

While it may seem small, considering human reaction time threshold, it makes a huge difference.

taking ping into account i don't think it's significant at all. it might feel different for the person playing it but for the people playing against her it wouldn't be noticeable
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 14 2015 04:06 GMT
#226
I've been running Magus Eve jungle and its really not that bad, tons of AP and CDR from a single item and once you get Fheart its 40% cdr for massive downtime on your ult
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 14 2015 04:34 GMT
#227
On June 14 2015 12:49 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 12:09 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:51 Frolossus wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:41 Ansibled wrote:
So I played a few games of Leblanc, W just feels really unsatisfying to use and it's pretty easy to get it interrupted now.

I would prefer they revert speed and just nerf her damage/cd... it's not like people couldn't dodge/interrupt it before anyway but now it's so slow and it becomes easy to lose your damage from it.

it's a .087 second difference

While it may seem small, considering human reaction time threshold, it makes a huge difference.

taking ping into account i don't think it's significant at all. it might feel different for the person playing it but for the people playing against her it wouldn't be noticeable


Median human reaction time is about .2 seconds for a non-mechanical action when you're prepared for it

So if you change something from .348 to .435 seconds that will have a very significant effect on the ability of people to react to an ability use.

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 14 2015 04:35 GMT
#228
On June 14 2015 12:49 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 12:09 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:51 Frolossus wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:41 Ansibled wrote:
So I played a few games of Leblanc, W just feels really unsatisfying to use and it's pretty easy to get it interrupted now.

I would prefer they revert speed and just nerf her damage/cd... it's not like people couldn't dodge/interrupt it before anyway but now it's so slow and it becomes easy to lose your damage from it.

it's a .087 second difference

While it may seem small, considering human reaction time threshold, it makes a huge difference.

taking ping into account i don't think it's significant at all. it might feel different for the person playing it but for the people playing against her it wouldn't be noticeable

Well I play with sub 20 ping most of the time. So.....
liftlift > tsm
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-14 04:54:50
June 14 2015 04:54 GMT
#229
On June 14 2015 13:34 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 12:49 Frolossus wrote:
On June 14 2015 12:09 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:51 Frolossus wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:41 Ansibled wrote:
So I played a few games of Leblanc, W just feels really unsatisfying to use and it's pretty easy to get it interrupted now.

I would prefer they revert speed and just nerf her damage/cd... it's not like people couldn't dodge/interrupt it before anyway but now it's so slow and it becomes easy to lose your damage from it.

it's a .087 second difference

While it may seem small, considering human reaction time threshold, it makes a huge difference.

taking ping into account i don't think it's significant at all. it might feel different for the person playing it but for the people playing against her it wouldn't be noticeable


Median human reaction time is about .2 seconds for a non-mechanical action when you're prepared for it

So if you change something from .348 to .435 seconds that will have a very significant effect on the ability of people to react to an ability use.

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime


i don't understand. how does a person taking .2 seconds to react to something help them react after it was changed by .087? shouldn't they not be able to react because it is less then .2?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 14 2015 05:17 GMT
#230
Spells to dodge or interrupt often have cast times as well. It's basically like moving from Albany to LA for how much extra time you have.
Freeeeeeedom
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 14 2015 05:17 GMT
#231
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 14 2015 05:18 GMT
#232
On June 14 2015 13:54 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 13:34 Goumindong wrote:
On June 14 2015 12:49 Frolossus wrote:
On June 14 2015 12:09 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:51 Frolossus wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:41 Ansibled wrote:
So I played a few games of Leblanc, W just feels really unsatisfying to use and it's pretty easy to get it interrupted now.

I would prefer they revert speed and just nerf her damage/cd... it's not like people couldn't dodge/interrupt it before anyway but now it's so slow and it becomes easy to lose your damage from it.

it's a .087 second difference

While it may seem small, considering human reaction time threshold, it makes a huge difference.

taking ping into account i don't think it's significant at all. it might feel different for the person playing it but for the people playing against her it wouldn't be noticeable


Median human reaction time is about .2 seconds for a non-mechanical action when you're prepared for it

So if you change something from .348 to .435 seconds that will have a very significant effect on the ability of people to react to an ability use.

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime


i don't understand. how does a person taking .2 seconds to react to something help them react after it was changed by .087? shouldn't they not be able to react because it is less then .2?

Threshold is very different mechanic than percent change. Think of threshold as prerequisites to do an action for a person. The leblanc w changes is significant enough that it matches with people's threshold to react, before it was below most people's reaction time.
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 14 2015 05:45 GMT
#233
Shyvana with those W buffs hits like an absolute truck. Not a huge buff, but definitely noticeable.

I been running her in the jungle w/ exhaust should I need to gank, and man you end up as farmed as solo laners. With Challenging smite and nearly full tank (Maybe add a Hexdrinker / Lifesteal item depending on game) you can be near the top of the damage charts at the end of the game.

So so tanky, you press R then Smite+Exhuast their AD while you have like 5k HP w/ 300 armor and 200 MR.

Just... you know dont expect your laners to be too impressed when you can't gank that well. That being said, I find people play a little dumber when you jungle Shy than when you jungle other jungles, die to ganks they normally wouldnt be in danger of.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 14 2015 05:57 GMT
#234
On June 14 2015 14:45 iCanada wrote:
Shyvana with those W buffs hits like an absolute truck. Not a huge buff, but definitely noticeable.

I been running her in the jungle w/ exhaust should I need to gank, and man you end up as farmed as solo laners. With Challenging smite and nearly full tank (Maybe add a Hexdrinker / Lifesteal item depending on game) you can be near the top of the damage charts at the end of the game.

So so tanky, you press R then Smite+Exhuast their AD while you have like 5k HP w/ 300 armor and 200 MR.

Just... you know dont expect your laners to be too impressed when you can't gank that well. That being said, I find people play a little dumber when you jungle Shy than when you jungle other jungles, die to ganks they normally wouldnt be in danger of.

been doing the same thing but with chilling smite

at 30 minutes you come out with 70+ devourer stacks and full build then just win
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-14 06:33:36
June 14 2015 06:19 GMT
#235
i love how after first back i can ward enemy jungle and just live there stealing all the camps, if they pick "weakish" jungler like khazix theres nothing he can do (i play with cinderhulk and chilling smite tho)
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-14 06:39:52
June 14 2015 06:34 GMT
#236
It is such a beautiful playstyle.

In-elegant perhaps, but who needs elegance when you can turn into a dragon and kill everything.

/shrug

Chilling smite might actually be stronger mid game, not sure. I like Challenging smite though because you can get pretty cheeky and just straight up kill solo lanes that think they have you dead.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-14 07:54:37
June 14 2015 07:53 GMT
#237
I play a lot of Shy, even before this patch. Originally Dev user but I've switched over to Cinderhulk in the past couple weeks because tankiness is just silly in 5s.
Stalkers early on because you really need the slow utility over more damage early on but you swap to Skirmishers later (once you have 4th item or later). Too many times pre-6 or when ulti is down that people Flash or jump away and Burnout is down, a free kill just runs away to safety.
I think I used to run Smite/Exhaust last season but I went back to Flash because what's better than have one gap closer? Two.
You pretty much build full on tank with one offensive item. I think I prefer Bork the most on her.

Could be using the Shyvana thread but hue.
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
June 14 2015 10:22 GMT
#238
Holy. Fucking. Shit. Zyra support is op.

The damage is retarded.

I just picked her up again after almost a year of not touching her yesterday. Spamming team builder just to get her down again. So I have actually a little control over what teams I play with - I take lobbies with a tanky jungle and strong laning phase champs OR competetive picks in the solo lanes.

8-2 so far and it is retarded how EASY those games are. One loss was some weird shit where we were HARD outclassed everywhere and I played really bad as well.

I just tell my ADC before every game to just chill out, farm and auto them when they overextend. To not greed on them when they get low and just force them b. As long as my ADC doesn't die it doesn't matter what happens, I just win bot lane on my own.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 14 2015 10:47 GMT
#239
That's because your first games of teambuilder with a "new" role+position combo for a champion intentionally lower your Elo to account for "learning".
Her base damage is still retarded because plants though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-14 13:10:25
June 14 2015 13:08 GMT
#240
ive been watching MaRin's stream for like 1.5 months. Everyone should check his stream for once.

He has the most smoothest style i have ever seen. I mean his playstyle cant be explained by words, just watch it and you'll see. Also Bard+Cassio combo on KR server is godlike.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
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