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On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about.
I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it.
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On May 27 2015 05:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about. I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it.
Do you have a list of Faker's lane performances? In the last 20 games he's went 1/8/2 on Azir, 3/5/6 on Zed, and 1/6/2 on Vel'koz. That's just the games he's bombed out on. There's a handful of other games that have not so stellar scores that I don't care to open an op.gg file and watch the first ten minutes to see how lane goes. Stop making statements that you have no evidence to back it up with.
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On May 27 2015 07:06 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 05:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about. I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it. Do you have a list of Faker's lane performances? In the last 20 games he's went 1/8/2 on Azir, 3/5/6 on Zed, and 1/6/2 on Vel'koz. That's just the games he's bombed out on. There's a handful of other games that have not so stellar scores that I don't care to open an op.gg file and watch the first ten minutes to see how lane goes. Stop making statements that you have no evidence to back it up with.
I don't get it what are you trying to say? Are you saying Faker never goes 0-4 in lane?
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On May 27 2015 07:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 07:06 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about. I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it. Do you have a list of Faker's lane performances? In the last 20 games he's went 1/8/2 on Azir, 3/5/6 on Zed, and 1/6/2 on Vel'koz. That's just the games he's bombed out on. There's a handful of other games that have not so stellar scores that I don't care to open an op.gg file and watch the first ten minutes to see how lane goes. Stop making statements that you have no evidence to back it up with. I don't get it what are you trying to say? Are you saying Faker never goes 0-4 in lane?
I don't see what was confusing about my post.
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On May 27 2015 07:17 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 07:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 07:06 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about. I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it. Do you have a list of Faker's lane performances? In the last 20 games he's went 1/8/2 on Azir, 3/5/6 on Zed, and 1/6/2 on Vel'koz. That's just the games he's bombed out on. There's a handful of other games that have not so stellar scores that I don't care to open an op.gg file and watch the first ten minutes to see how lane goes. Stop making statements that you have no evidence to back it up with. I don't get it what are you trying to say? Are you saying Faker never goes 0-4 in lane? I don't see what was confusing about my post.
Well you just gave a rambling account of some of Faker's recent solo queue games and followed it with ... ?
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Hes saying its moronic to use dyrus losing lane in one soloq game as a barometer for TSM's chances at worlds.
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On May 27 2015 07:23 MagnusWolf wrote:
Hes saying its moronic to use dyrus losing lane in one soloq game as a barometer for TSM's chances at worlds.
It would be if it wasn't, you know, par for the course. Which is what I was illustrating in my post.
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well except Dyrus usually losing his lane against random NA soloQ players, its not based on one game.
how do you even expect him to go toe to toe likes marin, koro1, duke, acorn etc? didnt you see what happened at msi? marin vs dyrus was just sad.
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Guys, guys, have some faith in America. If you don't, why are you even here?
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On May 27 2015 07:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 07:17 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 07:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 07:06 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about. I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it. Do you have a list of Faker's lane performances? In the last 20 games he's went 1/8/2 on Azir, 3/5/6 on Zed, and 1/6/2 on Vel'koz. That's just the games he's bombed out on. There's a handful of other games that have not so stellar scores that I don't care to open an op.gg file and watch the first ten minutes to see how lane goes. Stop making statements that you have no evidence to back it up with. I don't get it what are you trying to say? Are you saying Faker never goes 0-4 in lane? I don't see what was confusing about my post. Well you just gave a rambling account of some of Faker's recent solo queue games and followed it with ... ?
The point was that it's silly to go "lol this guy had a bad soloq game" and extrapolate it to actual competition when it happens to literally everybody and isn't "par for the course." I'm sorry I didn't spell it out for you.
On May 27 2015 07:28 Mensol wrote:
well except Dyrus usually losing his lane against random NA soloQ players, its not based on one game.
how do you even expect him to go toe to toe likes marin, koro1, duke, acorn etc? didnt you see what happened at msi? marin vs dyrus was just sad.
People that watched MSI and thought that TSM was playing anywhere near their normal level is deluded.
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On May 27 2015 07:31 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 07:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 07:17 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 07:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 07:06 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about. I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it. Do you have a list of Faker's lane performances? In the last 20 games he's went 1/8/2 on Azir, 3/5/6 on Zed, and 1/6/2 on Vel'koz. That's just the games he's bombed out on. There's a handful of other games that have not so stellar scores that I don't care to open an op.gg file and watch the first ten minutes to see how lane goes. Stop making statements that you have no evidence to back it up with. I don't get it what are you trying to say? Are you saying Faker never goes 0-4 in lane? I don't see what was confusing about my post. Well you just gave a rambling account of some of Faker's recent solo queue games and followed it with ... ? The point was that it's silly to go "lol this guy had a bad soloq game" and extrapolate it to actual competition when it happens to literally everybody and isn't "par for the course." I'm sorry I didn't spell it out for you.
That's literally what I said. Faker loses lane sometimes too, but people don't give him shit for it cause he doesn't feed in tournament on a consistent basis like Dyrus does, which is why Dyrus gets shit for it and Faker doesn't. I'm sorry your favorite player is getting heat cause he feeds, no reason to be salty about it.
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On May 27 2015 07:31 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 07:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 07:17 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 07:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 07:06 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about. I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it. Do you have a list of Faker's lane performances? In the last 20 games he's went 1/8/2 on Azir, 3/5/6 on Zed, and 1/6/2 on Vel'koz. That's just the games he's bombed out on. There's a handful of other games that have not so stellar scores that I don't care to open an op.gg file and watch the first ten minutes to see how lane goes. Stop making statements that you have no evidence to back it up with. I don't get it what are you trying to say? Are you saying Faker never goes 0-4 in lane? I don't see what was confusing about my post. Well you just gave a rambling account of some of Faker's recent solo queue games and followed it with ... ? The point was that it's silly to go "lol this guy had a bad soloq game" and extrapolate it to actual competition when it happens to literally everybody and isn't "par for the course." I'm sorry I didn't spell it out for you. Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 07:28 Mensol wrote:
well except Dyrus usually losing his lane against random NA soloQ players, its not based on one game.
how do you even expect him to go toe to toe likes marin, koro1, duke, acorn etc? didnt you see what happened at msi? marin vs dyrus was just sad. People that watched MSI and thought that TSM was playing anywhere near their normal level is deluded.
Some of TSM players wasnt at their best condition but that was exactly what people expected from Dyrus.
I dont think its something to do with his team.
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On May 27 2015 07:36 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 07:31 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 07:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 07:17 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 07:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 07:06 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 27 2015 05:29 Gahlo wrote:On May 27 2015 05:03 Mensol wrote:
meanwhile Dyrus (Rumble) going 0-3 against someone called BillyBoss (Gnar) on NA SoloQ.
He just going to destroy TSM's WC chances at this point.
edit: whoops 0-4. I mean, yeah it was a pretty bad game, but it's silly to just cherry pick his bad soloq games to talk about. I mean he gets "cherry picked" cause that's exactly how every international game plays out for him. Faker sometimes goes 0-4 in lane too but no one bothers talking about those cause he doesn't make a habit out of it. Do you have a list of Faker's lane performances? In the last 20 games he's went 1/8/2 on Azir, 3/5/6 on Zed, and 1/6/2 on Vel'koz. That's just the games he's bombed out on. There's a handful of other games that have not so stellar scores that I don't care to open an op.gg file and watch the first ten minutes to see how lane goes. Stop making statements that you have no evidence to back it up with. I don't get it what are you trying to say? Are you saying Faker never goes 0-4 in lane? I don't see what was confusing about my post. Well you just gave a rambling account of some of Faker's recent solo queue games and followed it with ... ? The point was that it's silly to go "lol this guy had a bad soloq game" and extrapolate it to actual competition when it happens to literally everybody and isn't "par for the course." I'm sorry I didn't spell it out for you. On May 27 2015 07:28 Mensol wrote:
well except Dyrus usually losing his lane against random NA soloQ players, its not based on one game.
how do you even expect him to go toe to toe likes marin, koro1, duke, acorn etc? didnt you see what happened at msi? marin vs dyrus was just sad. People that watched MSI and thought that TSM was playing anywhere near their normal level is deluded. Some of TSM players wasnt at their best condition but that was exactly what people expected from Dyrus. I dont think its something to do with his team.
To be fair, if Bjergsen and Santorin were playing better, perhaps Dyrus would have gotten more help in top lane and fewer ganks from the enemy jungler top lane. Then he might have died less.
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Why are we even arguing about this wtf Dyrus has fed from the top lane in like every international tournament whereas faker dragged 4 dead teammates and nearly made worlds last year
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On May 27 2015 07:30 ghrur wrote:
Guys, guys, have some faith in America. If you don't, why are you even here?
faith in america was lost when korea got their own server
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Gahlo, I don't even know what you're arguing about when even TSM fans painted the picture of Dyrus feeding and "drawing jungle pressure" with the rest of TSM making it back elsewhere. Even at/after IEM that was TSM's apparent "game plan" to people.
What MSI exposed wasn't Dyrus feeding harder than expected, it was that the "make it back elsewhere" gameplan doesn't work when Santorin doesn't work to make that happen, and when Bjergsen doesn't absolutely dumpster enemy mids and carry by himself, and instead is just winning by like 10-ish CS (which is in and of itself respectable at that level of play, it's just that it's totally unreasonable to expect someone to consistently trash lane opponents by 20+ CS and solo-kills at that level of play).
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I picked up Irelia. I'm doing incredibly well with her topside in gold. It's Bolstering my confidence in top and I've got a pretty sick win-rate after 17 games. I get why they keep nerfing her. ;D
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v3yqjCy.png)
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On May 27 2015 08:10 TheYango wrote:
Gahlo, I don't even know what you're arguing about when even TSM fans painted the picture of Dyrus feeding and "drawing jungle pressure" with the rest of TSM making it back elsewhere. Even at/after IEM that was TSM's apparent "game plan" to people.
What MSI exposed wasn't Dyrus feeding harder than expected, it was that the "make it back elsewhere" gameplan doesn't work when Santorin doesn't work to make that happen, and when Bjergsen doesn't absolutely dumpster enemy mids and carry by himself, and instead is just winning by like 10-ish CS (which is in and of itself respectable at that level of play, it's just that it's totally unreasonable to expect someone to consistently trash lane opponents by 20+ CS and solo-kills at that level of play).
This is TSM's problem. But for me the real problem is that NA couldn't expose it as TSM's problem. Which means that TSM can't have faith in any future strategy it develops to be viable against major international opponents.
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To be fair, I'm pretty sure people expected it to be unsustainable at international-level play, it's just that TSM's run at IEM gave people the hope that it was, lol.
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