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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#201
I used to play Viktor best so I always picked him when I had to mid. I tried to avoid going mid altogether when LB or Zed were already picked because these are match-ups he can't do shit about after a few levels though. I've been playing a bit more Orianna recently because I'm mid in our ranked 5s team and we go for teamfight comps.
I'd love to play Swain or Cass but I'm garbage and Swain's prob not good in the current meta.

Vlad is an obnoxious snowballing low-skillfloor PvE champ.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 15 2015 15:17 GMT
#202
Viktor he was kinda forgotten since being disabled for lcs but still top3 pick imo. the Other really strong champs which I have no problem blindpicking currently are cassiopeia/cho and obviously leblanc.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 15:20:12
May 15 2015 15:19 GMT
#203
Against Vlad just pick any champion with a level 1/2 gapcloser and go ham on him whenever he tries to cs and take the outer tower as late as possible. He's so hilariously weak early that you'll eventually hit a point where you start farming him.

Xin Zhao or Jarvan shits all over him since he has to bloodpool everytime you jump on him 'cause you will trade for more than 20% of his health if he doesn't leaving him extremely weak to ganks or dives. Basically just be hyper aggressive.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 15 2015 15:24 GMT
#204
On May 16 2015 00:19 Jek wrote:
Against Vlad just pick any champion with a level 1/2 gapcloser and go ham on him whenever he tries to cs and take the outer tower as late as possible. He's so hilariously weak early that you'll eventually hit a point where you start farming him.

Xin Zhao or Jarvan shits all over him since he has to bloodpool everytime you jump on him 'cause you will trade for more than 20% of his health if he doesn't leaving him extremely weak to ganks or dives. Basically just be hyper aggressive.


Then their jungler comes and you RIP.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 15 2015 15:24 GMT
#205
Yea just pick xin/j4 mid and kill him in this super short lane so easy rofl
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 15 2015 15:30 GMT
#206
On May 16 2015 00:19 Jek wrote:
Against Vlad just pick any champion with a level 1/2 gapcloser and go ham on him whenever he tries to cs and take the outer tower as late as possible. He's so hilariously weak early that you'll eventually hit a point where you start farming him.

Xin Zhao or Jarvan shits all over him since he has to bloodpool everytime you jump on him 'cause you will trade for more than 20% of his health if he doesn't leaving him extremely weak to ganks or dives. Basically just be hyper aggressive.


and then you're still stuck playing xin/jarvan mid, most likely not even coordinating with your toplaner to pick an ap champion haha
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 15 2015 15:30 GMT
#207
Okay you killed him once in level 3/4, what will you do once Vlad get his Hextech Revolver/Will of Ancients? You just can't trade with Vlad, and he'll outscale you in late game.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 15 2015 15:33 GMT
#208
Aight I'll try some vlad, but I kinda feel like an all-in mid will fuck me up even if I finish my hextech because at this point he'll have too big advantage + from my experience vlad isn't as ungankable as you make it seem.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 15 2015 15:35 GMT
#209
If you play him properly he is pretty close to ungankable.Obviously that doesn't mean it is literally impossible to die but there doesn't really exist a champion that legit can't die.Out of the popular mids the only one that can be hard is cass if you can't dodge her q.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 15:52:05
May 15 2015 15:51 GMT
#210
On May 16 2015 00:30 Mensol wrote:
Okay you killed him once in level 3/4, what will you do once Vlad get his Hextech Revolver/Will of Ancients? You just can't trade with Vlad, and he'll outscale you in late game.

You just keep on going, his sustain cant keep up with your damage as long as you dont eat free harass. Lane Jarvan is much stronger than people expect, he flippin' oneshoot carries.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Kaethis
Profile Joined January 2015
Netherlands112 Posts
May 15 2015 15:52 GMT
#211
Xin and j4 are good vs him top though, which is probably what the suggestion was about. Mid no idea, I'm potato at mid but I also always ban Vlad when I have the chance. Champion turns every lane into a snoozefest.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
May 15 2015 15:54 GMT
#212
Azir is really annyoing in midlane for a melee character to face, about on par with old Orianna.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
May 15 2015 15:56 GMT
#213
Cassiopeia is super strong against mid Vlad, she scales just as well if not better and can bully him around with massive kill potential early.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 16:13:28
May 15 2015 15:57 GMT
#214
Bring back JERICHO SWAINNNNNN vs. Vlad mid.

Anyone who's strong vs. Vlad mid is probably better top though. Vlad mid is just much better than Vlad top,

On May 16 2015 01:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
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On May 16 2015 00:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bring back JERICHO SWAINNNNNN vs. Vlad mid.

Anyone who's strong vs. Vlad mid is probably better top though. Vlad mid is just much better than Vlad top,

Stop posting, I hate having to agree with you.


You know I'm almost always right anyways bb <3
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 15 2015 16:04 GMT
#215
On May 16 2015 00:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Bring back JERICHO SWAINNNNNN vs. Vlad mid.

Anyone who's strong vs. Vlad mid is probably better top though. Vlad mid is just much better than Vlad top,

Stop posting, I hate having to agree with you.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
May 15 2015 16:04 GMT
#216
vlad just bullies melee champions vs ranged he isnt anything special i would argue most mids can bully him
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
May 15 2015 16:11 GMT
#217
On May 15 2015 23:53 Mensol wrote:
Only Cho? Zed is definitely more cancer.

I hate to play mid.

you can at least remove zed's kill threat w/ hourglass
leblanc is straight bullshit to lane vs
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 15 2015 16:14 GMT
#218
yeah but mages>everything else so if you play vlad you get 2x mages so you're at an advantage
same thing with cassio top
Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-15 16:24:15
May 15 2015 16:24 GMT
#219
Is the MSI mystery gift thing still available?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 15 2015 16:26 GMT
#220
On May 16 2015 01:14 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah but mages>everything else so if you play vlad you get 2x mages so you're at an advantage
same thing with cassio top


Mages is such a broad term, it's all the new age bullshit that are good. Traditional mages are absolutely garbage ATM (and have been for quite a while).
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