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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 25 2015 03:14 GMT
#1061
On April 25 2015 12:00 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2015 11:01 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 25 2015 09:43 niukasu1990 wrote:
On April 25 2015 09:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
I understand the latter obv but when did the former happen??


On April 25 2015 09:38 cLutZ wrote:
And who doesn't think Pawn is better than Rookie?



I typed in the wrong order. What she tweeted was

@karonmoser: Rookie is still better than pawN.

I don't get the boner chinese fans have about certain chinese players.

Then again I'm a snake fan.

Neither Rookie nor Pawn are Chinese.

It was more of a tangential point in regards to the ex lpl commentators/analyst.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 25 2015 03:17 GMT
#1062
Ahh, well the Rookie is better than Pawn comment doesn't make sense in 2 ways:
1. He isn't currently.
2. He never was.

Unless she is talking about Lulu play, Rookie used to be a really good Lulu, and I don't think pawn ever really played it.
Freeeeeeedom
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
April 25 2015 08:02 GMT
#1063
I don't know if anyone here still plays him, but Veigar with Luden's seems pretty neat. His Q is low cooldown enough with CDR to get procs easily, and it really helps his burst rotation.
niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
April 25 2015 12:43 GMT
#1064
LMAO, U said when he was casting LPL as a guest

'I am afraid that tomorrow after we 2:0 LGD, Pawn say to me ' It is your time boy'. Then we lose two games, I will have to say, ‘Lord Pawn, I am not able to do this. We need you.’
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 25 2015 14:31 GMT
#1065
rookie is better than pawn at laning and that's about it. he can still improve though.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 25 2015 14:42 GMT
#1066
so when u do tp /smite top do u still b after first jungle camp then tp to lane or just use pot and go to ur lane ?
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
April 25 2015 14:43 GMT
#1067
On April 25 2015 23:42 kongoline wrote:
so when u do tp /smite top do u still b after first jungle camp then tp to lane or just use pot and go to ur lane ?


Camp, tp, lane.
No reason to go half health and waste pots, lol.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
April 25 2015 15:22 GMT
#1068
Just started playing the game again and need mid lane tips. Especially creep management. At level one against Plat plus who knows what they're doing I always seem to be behind on setting up the wave properly so their waves are always pushed against me. I always auto to push the wave but I think I'm doing something wrong in skill usage. If I spam skill on wave, I lose mana and sometimes get punished on cd as well. Any tips? I play mostly ori in this scenario for context.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 25 2015 15:23 GMT
#1069
On April 25 2015 23:31 oneofthem wrote:
rookie is better than pawn at laning and that's about it. he can still improve though.

Elaborate yo.
Last I saw, PawN does pretty well at laning too. Has Rookie improved that much since moving to CN?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 25 2015 16:45 GMT
#1070
On April 26 2015 00:22 KissBlade wrote:
Just started playing the game again and need mid lane tips. Especially creep management. At level one against Plat plus who knows what they're doing I always seem to be behind on setting up the wave properly so their waves are always pushed against me. I always auto to push the wave but I think I'm doing something wrong in skill usage. If I spam skill on wave, I lose mana and sometimes get punished on cd as well. Any tips? I play mostly ori in this scenario for context.

I almost always get to push because I try trades at early levels with Ori (when they don't have all their abilities to drown my passive's damage in their free retaliation) and draw some minion aggro, plus I use Q 1-2 times.

I don't know if it's the right thing though. We tend to play against mostly Silver players, with the occasional Gold or Plat so I can afford to play aggressively (I pick here in our ranked 5s team).
Had a Plat Azir last game, dunno how the lane would have went without their Lee diving me and dying when I baited him. Azir got a triple afterwards but me taking chunks of his HP felt more like him being antsy with E to try and stay in range/follow me than me really outplaying him. He's so strong compared to me at level 2, and it becomes impossible to auto harass him because range. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 25 2015 17:01 GMT
#1071
Personally I always hated Rookie's Lulu, when I see Lulu's who only self cast W and only use E offensively I just don't think they are getting the full hero potential
Carrilord has arrived.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
April 25 2015 18:11 GMT
#1072
On April 26 2015 01:45 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 00:22 KissBlade wrote:
Just started playing the game again and need mid lane tips. Especially creep management. At level one against Plat plus who knows what they're doing I always seem to be behind on setting up the wave properly so their waves are always pushed against me. I always auto to push the wave but I think I'm doing something wrong in skill usage. If I spam skill on wave, I lose mana and sometimes get punished on cd as well. Any tips? I play mostly ori in this scenario for context.

I almost always get to push because I try trades at early levels with Ori (when they don't have all their abilities to drown my passive's damage in their free retaliation) and draw some minion aggro, plus I use Q 1-2 times.

I don't know if it's the right thing though. We tend to play against mostly Silver players, with the occasional Gold or Plat so I can afford to play aggressively (I pick here in our ranked 5s team).
Had a Plat Azir last game, dunno how the lane would have went without their Lee diving me and dying when I baited him. Azir got a triple afterwards but me taking chunks of his HP felt more like him being antsy with E to try and stay in range/follow me than me really outplaying him. He's so strong compared to me at level 2, and it becomes impossible to auto harass him because range. :<


At the moment even golds seem absolutely terrible. There was a lane I played in where the opposing laner literally just stood and ate every single combo (and then stayed in lane at 10% hp the entire time ...). I checked his MMR and he's Gold 2?! I thought he was high or on drugs or something but subsequent games against golds were just as bad. However, in the inhouse against a plat2, I got absolutely wrecked in lane with an estimated 1K gold difference probably around 10-15 mins. My level one got me completely wrecked as I popped both pots because I misplayed it horribly and somehow ended up in a scenario where at one point he had six minions to my none ...
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 25 2015 18:40 GMT
#1073
I feel like MMR means almost nothing at this point, there's huge variance across all ranks.

Yesterday I ran into a Kalista, who was probably some Korean smurf who gave me sweet sweet nonconsensual buttsex (his Kennen support was pretty decent too).

Just now, I was on Thresh with a Sivir against a Draven/ Lulu. We pretty much won the lane at level 1 because Sivir landed a good boomerang, then I harassed Draven for awhile because he didn't back. Hit lvl 2, EQ, first blood. Lulu stays around, I hook and we pick up another kill. We decide to stay, Draven and Lulu come back and we pick up a double kill. This is about the time we should probably back, but Draven comes back, we kill him AGAIN when he gets out of range of turret, Lulu comes back, we get her low, she finally runs and I kill her with a flash hook under the turret. At 10 minutes we're 6/0. Things don't go perfect, but it's about a 30 minute game with Sivir finishing 24/4 (Draven manages to pick up 1 kill somewhere).
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
April 25 2015 18:44 GMT
#1074
can someone explain to me why gragas jungle is a big thing now? scarra always insists that he be banned. cinderhulk + base damages?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 25 2015 18:46 GMT
#1075
^ u have to take into account not everyone gets his role or plays his main champion every time in ranked, theres also case for smurfs and people who get carried by duoQ/buy elo boosts
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
April 25 2015 19:00 GMT
#1076
On April 26 2015 03:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can someone explain to me why gragas jungle is a big thing now? scarra always insists that he be banned. cinderhulk + base damages?

pretty much, damage is insane for something that build full tank, he has a lot of cc, he clears fast and sustains well, just a very good jungler right now
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-25 19:09:29
April 25 2015 19:08 GMT
#1077
^Thing is, I checked histories and these guys are pretty comparable. The guy who wrecked me actually had a lower winrate for ADs than the other one, and that other guy was Plat/Diamond last season. He fed a lot though. I believe there is a certain state where you're so bad that you get matched with teammates who are strong enough to carry you on a pretty regular basis that it counteracts your badness, and your MMR reaches equilibrium. Maybe.

I think the thing that makes Gragas strongest now is his W (and I'll bet that's what gets nerfed, or maybe it'll be his base stats). It's got 2 components which are both insanely strong-- the damage reduction is constantly up, and he's got a good nuke on a 4s cooldown. His ult is okay since it's relatively hard to use, and I can live with his passive regen.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-25 19:15:51
April 25 2015 19:10 GMT
#1078
On April 26 2015 04:00 SagaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 03:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can someone explain to me why gragas jungle is a big thing now? scarra always insists that he be banned. cinderhulk + base damages?

pretty much, damage is insane for something that build full tank, he has a lot of cc, he clears fast and sustains well, just a very good jungler right now

The main thing that separates him from the other Cinderhulk users is def his team fighting ability. All that CC/displacement/dmg reduction from his kit. He's easily up there with Sejuani.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 25 2015 19:44 GMT
#1079
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JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
April 25 2015 22:34 GMT
#1080
Gragas is also a full tank jungler that can also have a decent/strong presence early game through ganking.

He's got it all at the moment.
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