EPT[Patch 5.7] More Executes General Discussion - Page 43
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 22 2015 08:35 AlterKot wrote: Alright I need advice again. How to survive as Xerath? I constantly die in lane against mid/jungler, forcing 2-3 summoner's at best (and once they have an advantage they can just 100-0 me without summs). I usually bounce back but I don't remember when's last time my opponent wasn't fed. I tried different summs myself (heal, cleanse, ghost) and nothing seems to really work. Additionally should I try to buy items like RoA, Rylai's, Banshee's or Guardian Angel to survive flashgapclosers later? I only tried Zhonya and it seems like if someone jumped on me then I'm dead, no matter if I have Zhonya's, flash, heal or cleanse. As xerath you should be very hard to gank, because you can stay so far back in lane. Ward one side of mid, then stay on that side as far back as you can while harassing and csing. Later on and depending on matchup you can do that and get your opponent low enough that its pretty dangerous for them to go in for a gank. Xerath has a ton of luxury in his positioning, as you can even support a gank with Q and ult from 1400 range away, so there is no reason to be up in lane unless you know their jungler location and are pushing the tower down. If their jungler does come at you from the unwarded brush, it sets you up for an easy E stun if you see them coming from that distance away. Mostly though just stay far back. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 22 2015 09:57 wei2coolman wrote: Considering the purpose of the ult is a disengage, and not an engage tool, the cast range is more than gratuitous for an ult that large. It's super lame to be a support whose one good skill lets you run away. Most supports can disengage and engage, like Sona, Nami, Braum, Thresh, etc. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 22 2015 10:28 ticklishmusic wrote: It's super lame to be a support whose one good skill lets you run away. Most supports can disengage and engage, like Sona, Nami, Braum, Thresh, etc. that sounds more like a complaint in dislike of playstyle, and less so the champion's issues tho. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On April 22 2015 09:39 aurawashere wrote: if ure constantly dying mid lane u probably have shit lane management, be conscious of how ur spells are pushing the lane and be smart with how u aim ur spells Not sure if I understand that advice. Should I always aim for pushed/frozen/even lane or are you basically telling me that I should correctly assess situation and figure out what's most beneficial for me and how to achieve it :p ? Guess I'll just try to watch some midlane streamers and see if I learn anything, since apparently I might have entirely wrong idea of how to lane with him. For example someone advised me to just stay back and use spells and almost never get in AA range from what I understand, but then other person tells me to start codex since I shouldn't have mana issues? Guess I might need entire guide and not just couple of advice :f | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
you said the jungler was a big part of the problem hence that advice. if you are having problems getting killed 1v1 by like Fizz or LeBlanc then your old build is actually better. like in your original statement you said that you normally bounce back and I asked if this is normally around the time you reach a strength where you can reset the wave quickly and easily, if the answer is yes, then you will definitely feel an improvement by going codex before chalice. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On April 22 2015 09:58 Slusher wrote: Graves nerfs seem kinda weird, he's already non ideal except to punish ads who are better than him at killing tanks in lane, seems like a fair trade off to me. because hes better than lucian, so better nerf graves. With tank meta graves is already dead for like 1-2 patches, nerfing jinx is kinda ok but I am looking forward to cheaper adc items than balancing these heroes. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 22 2015 10:31 wei2coolman wrote: that sounds more like a complaint in dislike of playstyle, and less so the champion's issues tho. No, I'm stating Zyra is just straight up inferior to most supports after laning phase. Honestly, I'd almost rather have Heimer because at least his ult-Q/E is good. | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:39 ticklishmusic wrote: No, I'm stating Zyra is just straight up inferior to most supports after laning phase. Honestly, I'd almost rather have Heimer because at least his ult-Q/E is good. I don't think anyone disagrees with her being a tier below meta, but what needs changing probably isn't her ult. | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
If they want it to be like Ezreal ult they need to reduce the cooldown to compensate (maybe something like 80/65/50). If they want it to be like Caitlyn ult, then the AoE splash needs to be bigger. Also, I don't get these nerfs to ADCs right now. Aren't we having issues with dealing damage to tanks as is? Why are you nerfing the archetype that's meant to (eventually) cut through tanks? | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
and ideally she can't just Graves ult you for a burst of power unless you're incredibly low on health. I ranted since Jinx hit PBE about the numbers on her ult because teamfight AoE burst was part of Graves' thing and he paid for it with range, low dps, meh base stats (he's not much tankier than Ashe if you discount his passive, and his passive doesn't kick in vs frontloaded burst)... while Jinx also has excellent reach and extreme sustained damage/AoE dps. It only took over a year for Riot to realise this. Yay! | ||
Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I guess it's also a level 1 buff.  | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I can't say I didn't see it coming. | ||
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