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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 20 2015 16:09 GMT
#721
isnt it possible to E push entire wave with E then base and Q back to lane in time for next wave ?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
April 20 2015 16:09 GMT
#722

TranslatorBaa!
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
April 20 2015 16:26 GMT
#723
On April 21 2015 00:42 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 20:35 Fildun wrote:
Yeah Riven and Nidalee are the only two really problematic ones. Liss and Vlad are both certainly winnable lanes, same with Teemo and other annoying harassers.
Except Sion. Fuck that champ's base stats.

How do you even play Garen versus those annoying ranged match ups? I take it that it has something to do with intelligent use of your Q as well as just running towards them at appropriate times? I also imagine Boots of Swiftness being a factor as well.

Well, first of all you should probably take mercs with alacrity enchant instead, if the enemy is magic damage.
Secondly, be a man. Show them who is boss in the lane. Make them scared to cs. Then, if they don't respect your manliness, run at them and kill them.
Also, know the range where you can flash q ignite e someone while they have no chance to escape due to silence.
AlreadyHere
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada26 Posts
April 20 2015 17:24 GMT
#724
boots of swiftness are usually bad on Garen because you can remove slows anyway with your q. Mercs are better in nearly every scenario.

I honestly don't see how Garen can deal with a decent player playing lulu, lissandra or Kennen. The only way you will ever kill them is if you flash q and 100-0 them before they can escape. They have too much cc, range and zone potential. What can Garen even do vs lulu? She will just auto attack you to death all laning phase and if you ever go in on her she can shield herself and speed away, once she hits 6 you will never kill her if she gets her ult off.

I guess you jsut need to beg your jungler but otherwise...
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 20 2015 19:39 GMT
#725
On April 21 2015 02:24 AlreadyHere wrote:
boots of swiftness are usually bad on Garen because you can remove slows anyway with your q. Mercs are better in nearly every scenario.

I honestly don't see how Garen can deal with a decent player playing lulu, lissandra or Kennen. The only way you will ever kill them is if you flash q and 100-0 them before they can escape. They have too much cc, range and zone potential. What can Garen even do vs lulu? She will just auto attack you to death all laning phase and if you ever go in on her she can shield herself and speed away, once she hits 6 you will never kill her if she gets her ult off.

I guess you jsut need to beg your jungler but otherwise...


Just accept that you will lose lane and try to make a comeback later in the game.

Lissandra, IMO, is nearly impossible to lane against. All of her tools says "anti-Garen" in big, red ink.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
April 20 2015 19:47 GMT
#726
I usually beat the hell out of Garen with Teemo.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 20 2015 20:14 GMT
#727
On April 21 2015 04:47 Mensol wrote:
I usually beat the hell out of Garen with Teemo.


Teemo is problematic, but I rather lane against a Teemo than a Lissandra. It's easy to outplay a Teemo with a good Flash all-in, Lissandra is just close to impossible. Lissandra also have a much more threatening teamfight presence and easier to play in a team than Teemo.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
April 20 2015 20:21 GMT
#728
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 20 2015 20:38 GMT
#729
Forgiven ama time, dis gunna be good.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 20 2015 20:43 GMT
#730
On April 21 2015 05:21 Fildun wrote:
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.


Her W is fool-proof in stopping Garen's aggression though. Just press a button and good to go.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
April 20 2015 20:46 GMT
#731
On April 21 2015 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:21 Fildun wrote:
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.


Her W is fool-proof in stopping Garen's aggression though. Just press a button and good to go.

Her W is really predictable though, just move back a little bit as soon as you're in W range, she uses W, you run back in.
You might say that's predictable, but you only gotta do it once, then flash on her when your cd's are back up and she's dead.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 20 2015 20:48 GMT
#732
On April 21 2015 05:46 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:21 Fildun wrote:
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.


Her W is fool-proof in stopping Garen's aggression though. Just press a button and good to go.

Her W is really predictable though, just move back a little bit as soon as you're in W range, she uses W, you run back in.
You might say that's predictable, but you only gotta do it once, then flash on her when your cd's are back up and she's dead.


Is this /r/koreanadvice? lol.

I understand what you are saying, but it's really hard to do reliably.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 20:53:53
April 20 2015 20:51 GMT
#733
On April 21 2015 05:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:46 Fildun wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:21 Fildun wrote:
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.


Her W is fool-proof in stopping Garen's aggression though. Just press a button and good to go.

Her W is really predictable though, just move back a little bit as soon as you're in W range, she uses W, you run back in.
You might say that's predictable, but you only gotta do it once, then flash on her when your cd's are back up and she's dead.


Is this /r/koreanadvice? lol.

I understand what you are saying, but it's really hard to do reliably.

Yeah I know it's hard, but you have about 3 shots to do it (with pots + passive). If you actually land it, you do win pretty hard, so as soon as you can do it 1/2 or 1/3 times, the lane does get a lot better.
Also RIP east coast players.
Ofcourse, this is just my strat, Teut probably has a much better one.

Edit: In his AMA Forgiven just said that he respected and admired puszu a lot. Eat it haters.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 20 2015 20:53 GMT
#734
On April 21 2015 05:51 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:48 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:46 Fildun wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:21 Fildun wrote:
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.


Her W is fool-proof in stopping Garen's aggression though. Just press a button and good to go.

Her W is really predictable though, just move back a little bit as soon as you're in W range, she uses W, you run back in.
You might say that's predictable, but you only gotta do it once, then flash on her when your cd's are back up and she's dead.


Is this /r/koreanadvice? lol.

I understand what you are saying, but it's really hard to do reliably.

Yeah I know it's hard, but you have about 3 shots to do it (with pots + passive). If you actually land it, you do win pretty hard, so as soon as you can do it 1/2 or 1/3 times, the lane does get a lot better.
Also RIP east coast players.
Ofcourse, this is just my strat, Teut probably has a much better one.

I wonder if I still get lower ping to EUW...
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 20 2015 20:54 GMT
#735
On April 21 2015 05:51 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:48 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:46 Fildun wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:21 Fildun wrote:
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.


Her W is fool-proof in stopping Garen's aggression though. Just press a button and good to go.

Her W is really predictable though, just move back a little bit as soon as you're in W range, she uses W, you run back in.
You might say that's predictable, but you only gotta do it once, then flash on her when your cd's are back up and she's dead.


Is this /r/koreanadvice? lol.

I understand what you are saying, but it's really hard to do reliably.

Yeah I know it's hard, but you have about 3 shots to do it (with pots + passive). If you actually land it, you do win pretty hard, so as soon as you can do it 1/2 or 1/3 times, the lane does get a lot better.
Also RIP east coast players.
Ofcourse, this is just my strat, Teut probably has a much better one.


I really don't think this is possible on East coast...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 20 2015 20:56 GMT
#736
On April 21 2015 05:51 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:48 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:46 Fildun wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:21 Fildun wrote:
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.


Her W is fool-proof in stopping Garen's aggression though. Just press a button and good to go.

Her W is really predictable though, just move back a little bit as soon as you're in W range, she uses W, you run back in.
You might say that's predictable, but you only gotta do it once, then flash on her when your cd's are back up and she's dead.


Is this /r/koreanadvice? lol.

I understand what you are saying, but it's really hard to do reliably.

Yeah I know it's hard, but you have about 3 shots to do it (with pots + passive). If you actually land it, you do win pretty hard, so as soon as you can do it 1/2 or 1/3 times, the lane does get a lot better.
Also RIP east coast players.
Ofcourse, this is just my strat, Teut probably has a much better one.

Edit: In his AMA Forgiven just said that he respected and admired puszu a lot. Eat it haters.

As someone who actually played vs puszu both when he was on fnc and after all I can say is "lol"
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
April 20 2015 20:56 GMT
#737
did anyone test ludens echo on karma? in theory seems like perfect item for her
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 20:57:58
April 20 2015 20:57 GMT
#738
On April 21 2015 05:56 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:51 Fildun wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:48 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:46 Fildun wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 21 2015 05:21 Fildun wrote:
Ehh, Liss isn't too bad honestly. If you actually trade with her, you win really easily. Abuse cooldowns a lot, your cd's are shorter (at least after a couple levels, since she maxes Q).
Also, you gotta dodge her shit. If you can't do that, the lane is gonna suck obviously.


Her W is fool-proof in stopping Garen's aggression though. Just press a button and good to go.

Her W is really predictable though, just move back a little bit as soon as you're in W range, she uses W, you run back in.
You might say that's predictable, but you only gotta do it once, then flash on her when your cd's are back up and she's dead.


Is this /r/koreanadvice? lol.

I understand what you are saying, but it's really hard to do reliably.

Yeah I know it's hard, but you have about 3 shots to do it (with pots + passive). If you actually land it, you do win pretty hard, so as soon as you can do it 1/2 or 1/3 times, the lane does get a lot better.
Also RIP east coast players.
Ofcourse, this is just my strat, Teut probably has a much better one.

Edit: In his AMA Forgiven just said that he respected and admired puszu a lot. Eat it haters.

As someone who actually played vs puszu both when he was on fnc and after all I can say is "lol"

I know, just poking fun :p
Also yeah, east coast players can't do that I think.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
April 20 2015 21:38 GMT
#739
I've seen some support Kennen in recent pro games.What do people think of this?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 21:39:56
April 20 2015 21:39 GMT
#740
On April 21 2015 06:38 General_Winter wrote:
I've seen some support Kennen in recent pro games.What do people think of this?

Great with Pokemon Trainer Kalista, good for secondary engage, bad if only form of peel and/or engage.
liftlift > tsm
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