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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 20 2015 06:32 GMT
#701
not sure if anyone is interested, but montecristo is doing series breakdown of tsm vs c9. very interesting.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 20 2015 07:48 GMT
#702
I can't really tell if his analyses are good or just hindsight 20/20. Especially on parts which someone gets ganked / caught. And this is not just a criticism to him, but nearly all "analysts" in general.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 20 2015 07:58 GMT
#703
On April 20 2015 16:48 Sufficiency wrote:
I can't really tell if his analyses are good or just hindsight 20/20. Especially on parts which someone gets ganked / caught. And this is not just a criticism to him, but nearly all "analysts" in general.


I've increasingly come to the conclusion that most casters, Monte not excluded, is 20/20 hindsight.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 20 2015 08:11 GMT
#704
On April 20 2015 12:03 Sonnington wrote:
If you're looking to 5 man, just spam invite people from playwithriot, noob, party, or general discussion chatrooms.

Please no. LP was as silent as ever but I got invites from randoms jumping into the chatroom and inviting the whole chan to their games all week-end long.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
April 20 2015 08:44 GMT
#705
On April 20 2015 16:48 Sufficiency wrote:
I can't really tell if his analyses are good or just hindsight 20/20. Especially on parts which someone gets ganked / caught. And this is not just a criticism to him, but nearly all "analysts" in general.


I think for Monte specifically with his little VOD reviews, it's meant to help him dissect the important parts to help him improve as an analyst for casting and with his Countdown show on OGN plus. In general, I feel he's trying to show/talk about the "ideal" situation for each team on how to play their comp out and how to win, because obviously both teams playing a "perfect" game is damn near impossible period. The closest we saw was the 64 minute Jin Air game from early on in the LCK for 2015 (the game where it was 1 kill combined until like the last 10 seconds of the match).
Kaethis
Profile Joined January 2015
Netherlands112 Posts
April 20 2015 08:51 GMT
#706
On April 20 2015 11:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 22:37 AlreadyHere wrote:
On April 18 2015 07:27 Sufficiency wrote:
Garen is really good. It's just that unless he faces his few good matchups, his laning phase is incredibly garbage.

mmm, I disagree. Garen works vs nearly every melee toplaner and the only ranged ones I struggle with regularly are Lissandra, teemo, Kennen and lulu.


Unfortunately a good majority of "melee" top laners have at least one ranged poke that will make Garen's life a living hell. The most notable is Rumble.

Overall, Garen's laning phase greatly rely on his passive; but his passive's performance greatly depends on his lane matchup. This creates a really weird situation which Garen has some really awesome matchups due to his opponent's inability to poke him (see: Nasus, Riven) and some really bad matchups due to non-stop poking/DoT (see: Rumble, Nidalee).


Riven's a shit matchup for Garen, at least in lane. Her cd's line up in such a way that she can do a little more damage then you can on much higher frequency in trades. Your Q also blows against her because it has a super long animation which means it's easy to react to with E or W.

Ofcourse, if you manage to get through lane in one piece and without ceding too much farm Garen shits on Riven because silence pretty good vs melee casters.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 08:56:39
April 20 2015 08:53 GMT
#707
--- Nuked ---
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
April 20 2015 10:04 GMT
#708
If Riven knows her shit it's at worst an even matchup, but I can definitely see Garen being a hard counter in low elos.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Kaethis
Profile Joined January 2015
Netherlands112 Posts
April 20 2015 10:17 GMT
#709
The annoying thing with playing against a Riven is is that the variance in skill of people playing her is so huge. You literally have no idea when you start a game if you can just roflstomp your way to victory (Riven that loses her lane is pretty much useless) or that you're gonna get stomped (Riven's a popular smurf character too which adds to this). It makes her probably my least favorite character to see locked in on the other side.

Except Nidalee.

Fuck Nidalee.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
April 20 2015 11:35 GMT
#710
Yeah Riven and Nidalee are the only two really problematic ones. Liss and Vlad are both certainly winnable lanes, same with Teemo and other annoying harassers.
Except Sion. Fuck that champ's base stats.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 20 2015 12:06 GMT
#711
Do you include "base damage" in base stats? I tend to separate both, and Sion has pretty bad base HP and armour. The shield is damn strong however and he has very high base Hp5 (2nd highest at level 1, tied for 7th at 18, Heimer's an outlier because his old passive was included in his base regen for the rework).

I'm surprised that Gnar's, Soraka's and Morde's is so low, although I can see it.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 20 2015 12:34 GMT
#712
On April 20 2015 10:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 10:31 petered wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:19 petered wrote:
Who was I arguing with about luden's being good on AP kog? I think Bjerg going tear luden's in the NA lcs finals means I won that argument.

Luden's is perfect for Kog, I dunno why someone would argue otherwise.


HAHAHA you are the best wei2coolman.

And I quote, from the patch 5.5 general discussion:
Too much mana requirement before you can hit any ludens timing.


Would you like to guess who said that?

that was me, and it was dumb of me to say. That was when Luden's just released tho. Luden's simply too effective at wave clear. :/

though to be fair, when i was on my ap kog binge, pre 5.5, I would go almost triple mana items with roa+seraph+morello, and at that point, I needed voidstaff, and ludens would have been an after thought. had to change my play style, to get away with less mana items.


dont worry man, even self proclaimed best coach in the west has made 2 hour long video content explaining in detail why Luden's not viable :>
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 20 2015 13:15 GMT
#713
On April 20 2015 21:34 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 10:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:31 petered wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:19 petered wrote:
Who was I arguing with about luden's being good on AP kog? I think Bjerg going tear luden's in the NA lcs finals means I won that argument.

Luden's is perfect for Kog, I dunno why someone would argue otherwise.


HAHAHA you are the best wei2coolman.

And I quote, from the patch 5.5 general discussion:
Too much mana requirement before you can hit any ludens timing.


Would you like to guess who said that?

that was me, and it was dumb of me to say. That was when Luden's just released tho. Luden's simply too effective at wave clear. :/

though to be fair, when i was on my ap kog binge, pre 5.5, I would go almost triple mana items with roa+seraph+morello, and at that point, I needed voidstaff, and ludens would have been an after thought. had to change my play style, to get away with less mana items.


dont worry man, even self proclaimed best coach in the west has made 2 hour long video content explaining in detail why Luden's not viable :>


Teehee.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
April 20 2015 14:11 GMT
#714
On April 20 2015 21:34 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 10:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:31 petered wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:19 petered wrote:
Who was I arguing with about luden's being good on AP kog? I think Bjerg going tear luden's in the NA lcs finals means I won that argument.

Luden's is perfect for Kog, I dunno why someone would argue otherwise.


HAHAHA you are the best wei2coolman.

And I quote, from the patch 5.5 general discussion:
Too much mana requirement before you can hit any ludens timing.


Would you like to guess who said that?

that was me, and it was dumb of me to say. That was when Luden's just released tho. Luden's simply too effective at wave clear. :/

though to be fair, when i was on my ap kog binge, pre 5.5, I would go almost triple mana items with roa+seraph+morello, and at that point, I needed voidstaff, and ludens would have been an after thought. had to change my play style, to get away with less mana items.


dont worry man, even self proclaimed best coach in the west has made 2 hour long video content explaining in detail why Luden's not viable :>


I didn't know Bill Bellicheck played league.
Freeeeeeedom
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
April 20 2015 14:35 GMT
#715
On April 20 2015 23:11 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 21:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:31 petered wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:19 petered wrote:
Who was I arguing with about luden's being good on AP kog? I think Bjerg going tear luden's in the NA lcs finals means I won that argument.

Luden's is perfect for Kog, I dunno why someone would argue otherwise.


HAHAHA you are the best wei2coolman.

And I quote, from the patch 5.5 general discussion:
Too much mana requirement before you can hit any ludens timing.


Would you like to guess who said that?

that was me, and it was dumb of me to say. That was when Luden's just released tho. Luden's simply too effective at wave clear. :/

though to be fair, when i was on my ap kog binge, pre 5.5, I would go almost triple mana items with roa+seraph+morello, and at that point, I needed voidstaff, and ludens would have been an after thought. had to change my play style, to get away with less mana items.


dont worry man, even self proclaimed best coach in the west has made 2 hour long video content explaining in detail why Luden's not viable :>


I didn't know Bill Bellicheck played league.



Except other people agree with Bill.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 14:59:11
April 20 2015 14:58 GMT
#716
On April 20 2015 21:34 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 10:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:31 petered wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 20 2015 10:19 petered wrote:
Who was I arguing with about luden's being good on AP kog? I think Bjerg going tear luden's in the NA lcs finals means I won that argument.

Luden's is perfect for Kog, I dunno why someone would argue otherwise.


HAHAHA you are the best wei2coolman.

And I quote, from the patch 5.5 general discussion:
Too much mana requirement before you can hit any ludens timing.


Would you like to guess who said that?

that was me, and it was dumb of me to say. That was when Luden's just released tho. Luden's simply too effective at wave clear. :/

though to be fair, when i was on my ap kog binge, pre 5.5, I would go almost triple mana items with roa+seraph+morello, and at that point, I needed voidstaff, and ludens would have been an after thought. had to change my play style, to get away with less mana items.


dont worry man, even self proclaimed best coach in the west has made 2 hour long video content explaining in detail why Luden's not viable :>

Maybe every pro player who is building it is wrong? There aren't that many, right?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 15:01:15
April 20 2015 15:00 GMT
#717
[image loading]

im now on Cassio train. I still dont know how you can make 1k stacks tho :D
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 20 2015 15:05 GMT
#718
The max is 500, and it depends mostly on hitting your DoTs on champions regularly. So if you stay passive you'll hit it eventually, but if you can tag multiple champions with Q or W, you shave off a few extra seconds every time. Iirc the standard is around 30-35 minutes for 500 stacks?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
April 20 2015 15:08 GMT
#719
oh i see, i thought you were getting 30% increased ability power at 1k stacks. It's not that hard then.

I had like 380ish stacks in 30 mins in that game.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
April 20 2015 15:42 GMT
#720
On April 20 2015 20:35 Fildun wrote:
Yeah Riven and Nidalee are the only two really problematic ones. Liss and Vlad are both certainly winnable lanes, same with Teemo and other annoying harassers.
Except Sion. Fuck that champ's base stats.

How do you even play Garen versus those annoying ranged match ups? I take it that it has something to do with intelligent use of your Q as well as just running towards them at appropriate times? I also imagine Boots of Swiftness being a factor as well.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
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