EPTlike it's been said many times before, you can mute everyone on your team and for some people it even helps them win games, but here the only objective is to talk to one another so idk what your game plan is.
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
like it's been said many times before, you can mute everyone on your team and for some people it even helps them win games, but here the only objective is to talk to one another so idk what your game plan is. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 03 2015 04:11 Chexx wrote: doesnt make the champion bad makes the players bad. Also Thresh offers more than just his hook. His E and ultimate are great. Need to communicate more to unlock Thresh whole kit Seriously. Literally every ability Thresh has could be the cornerstone of a kit. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 03 2015 04:24 739 wrote: This 101toss not sure if troll or ... and yeah Blitz is nice but for Bronze-Plat at most mmr. wat? blitz is good at all mmr... | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On March 03 2015 04:17 Slusher wrote: well it's not cool for a forum I wish you could chill out like it's been said many times before, you can mute everyone on your team and for some people it even helps them win games, but here the only objective is to talk to one another so idk what your game plan is. If I don't talk then many people here will still think thresh is GG for solo queue when in fact he is one of the worst supports. Granted I sound like a dick when trying to prove my point, but sounding like a dick and berating people for being bad isn't my intention. What's really sad is that if I wasn't masters, I'm sure all my claims would be dismissed as bronze stupidity instead of just half of my claims. And as for blitz being only good plat-, check the winrates. He can fuck over the enemy jungler really hard with the hook, and while people say "at high elo people dodge blitz hook," tons of people still get hooked. That doesn't even account for the times he just runs up to you, knocks you up, and then hooks you after you use your escape. On a side note, his r passive damage is extremely deceptive in fights | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 03 2015 02:48 MidnightGladius wrote: You're using the ranged positioning trick to prevent blue buff from attacking you, right? I have to think that it's only a matter of time before that gets patched out  Not at all, start Q and spawn a voidling at 1:48 and you can kill blue no problem. With no leash you'll need to use a health pot but with even a minor leash from your laners the voidling timing works out that you'll finish blue with no pots quite easily. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Thresh also gets tankier without items, and although his hooks aren't as much of a death sentence (no pun intended), if you have follow-up, like for example the popular Ahri, you can still wreck people with it, and you don't get punished for hooking a Gnar or Lissandra into your team. | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On March 03 2015 04:35 101toss wrote: If I don't talk then many people here will still think thresh is GG for solo queue when in fact he is one of the worst supports. Granted I sound like a dick when trying to prove my point, but sounding like a dick and berating people for being bad isn't my intention. What's really sad is that if I wasn't masters, I'm sure all my claims would be dismissed as bronze stupidity instead of just half of my claims. And as for blitz being only good plat-, check the winrates. He can fuck over the enemy jungler really hard with the hook, and while people say "at high elo people dodge blitz hook," tons of people still get hooked. That doesn't even account for the times he just runs up to you, knocks you up, and then hooks you after you use your escape. On a side note, his r passive damage is extremely deceptive in fights well I still didnt see any proof that you are masters and your statement wards are bad and sightstone is a noob trap didnt really convince me. If you let Blitz just ran up to you without damaging him then you are just bad. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On March 03 2015 04:49 Slusher wrote: I still maintain thresh's winrate in solo is mainly a result of being a go to pick for people filling support also a good possibility | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On March 03 2015 04:43 Zdrastochye wrote: Only if you can hold onto your R. I'd think (just an opinion of a bronze) that silencing a Kat mid-ult is better than the lightning bolt, but then again I also thought warding was good so I'm sure I'm not on the right path. I was referring more to level 6 all-in fights where it's not mandatory to get off the silence but rather using the ult for the killing burst. Sure, in teamfights you might not get the luxury of holding onto r, but in lane fights the passive damage can mean the difference between going 2-0 and 0-2. Blitz is also naturally tanker than thresh by a large margin (base stats and passive), which gives him even more buffer in fights. Also even though I don't buy wards, that's a bit different than placing 0 wards. My play style revolves around using map awareness and all-inning bot lane with a gold advantage (wards vs no wards) when you know the jungler isn't bot (doable with the trinket and general map awareness). On March 03 2015 04:48 Chexx wrote: well I still didnt see any proof that you are masters and your statement wards are bad and sightstone is a noob trap didnt really convince me. If you let Blitz just ran up to you without damaging him then you are just bad. If you saw what I posted earlier, I can't tell you my current ign due to my history of elo boosting because there's going to be some asshat that sends a ticket to riot support and get my account flagged. The best thing I can offer you is my old ign (G0atsebusters) that was high diamond 1 back when masters wasn't a thing and mid-high diamond 1 is the equivalent of today's master (you'd see me in those high elo streams here and there). You can ask people who knew me, I bought maybe like 2 wards when trinkets weren't a thing. Old habits die hard. It's a shame I can't tell you my current ign, but I'd like not to stake my accounts. You're welcome to believe that I'm making this up, but rest assured if you dig around my post history (from maybe 2 years ago) you'll see that I'm who I claim to be. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 03 2015 04:43 Alaric wrote: But Blitz is also weaker in teamfights, where Thresh has a lower cooldown on Q (and longer effective cc duration unless Blitz can pull a diver out of a fight), Flay is AoE and can catch people without meleeing them, the Lantern is always at least a shield, and his ult rivals Blitz in terms of damage as long as you only get 2-3 people with it, on top of having that huge slow. Thresh also gets tankier without items, and although his hooks aren't as much of a death sentence (no pun intended), if you have follow-up, like for example the popular Ahri, you can still wreck people with it, and you don't get punished for hooking a Gnar or Lissandra into your team. why are you teamfighting with blitz? should always pick, never not pick. If you're trying to compare blitz to Thresh's strong spot, no shit blitz is gunna look bad. Also the higher the mmr, the more important it is to threaten and posture with hook potential, than it is to actually hook. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
because he is comparing the pros and cons of the entire kits holy shit | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On March 03 2015 04:59 101toss wrote: I was referring more to level 6 all-in fights where it's not mandatory to get off the silence but rather using the ult for the killing burst. Sure, in teamfights you might not get the luxury of holding onto r, but in lane fights the passive damage can mean the difference between going 2-0 and 0-2. Blitz is also naturally tanker than thresh by a large margin (base stats and passive), which gives him even more buffer in fights. Also even though I don't buy wards, that's a bit different than placing 0 wards. My play style revolves around using map awareness and all-inning bot lane with a gold advantage (wards vs no wards) when you know the jungler isn't bot (doable with the trinket and general map awareness). Yeah I'm not referring to a no ward style, moreso I did the opposite of what you did and pre 3 max wards I would mostly never get anything more than a gp10 and upgraded boots, all the rest of my items were invested in wards and oracles and I would just blanket whatever side of the map we wanted to take. I noticed it being extremely effective for setting up fights, moreso than any singular item that I could buy for my team to have near 100% vision of their team whenever we're opening ourselves up to a potential fight, as it makes collapsing on them considerably easier if we know how far away they are from each other. If you were anti-ward I'd call myself pro-ward. I think there exists room to have both playstyles without one being a way to get challenger and the other way being bronze level. You can play with minimal warding up to challenger and you can ward frequently and be challenger. I doubt they're mutually exclusive. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
http://efekarakus.github.io/esports/fandom/ | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 03 2015 05:17 Slusher wrote: because he is comparing the pros and cons of the entire kits holy shit conveniently missing out the straight up game winning ability of blitzcrank. There are few abilities that are absolutely game altering, even fewer that are non-ults. Blitz is one of them, and that's why he's good, trying to compare an all-round pick vs a specialist is fucking silly as hell. | ||
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