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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
March 02 2015 21:46 GMT
#621
Laning with a blitz at low elo is hell because 9/10 times it's a 1v2 lane because hes busy chillin like a villain in the back. But as soon as lane is over, he magically becomes godhand and hooks their adc 3 times in a row causing you to snowball into a 20 minute victory.
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Painmaker
Profile Joined December 2010
Uruguay230 Posts
March 02 2015 21:51 GMT
#622
So, anyone playing Cho Gath here? I started playing him a few days ago, running Devourer Wits FH in the jungle.
On top lane I'm using that build on solomid.net Tri force Rylais Fh... I'm 9/2 on him so far...
It's a good day to die
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
March 02 2015 22:33 GMT
#623
Just to add in on the blitz vs thresh discussion (in lane), when Blitz Q is on cooldown the enemy duo can zone your ADC off cs, while with Thresh you can still maintain some presence because of ranged auto's/E having some range.
Also with the current heal/flash meta, unless the enemy heals during ignite it becomes pretty hard to kill off one hook.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 22:38:30
March 02 2015 22:37 GMT
#624
On March 03 2015 07:33 Fildun wrote:
Just to add in on the blitz vs thresh discussion (in lane), when Blitz Q is on cooldown the enemy duo can zone your ADC off cs, while with Thresh you can still maintain some presence because of ranged auto's/E having some range.
Also with the current heal/flash meta, unless the enemy heals during ignite it becomes pretty hard to kill off one hook.

Ever since his mana nerfs, you should really be posturing with him in lane. The threat of the hook is stronger than the hook in itself, plus you really shouldn't be aiming to kill off one hook, you should be looking to chunk around half way, then zone the enemy from CS afterwords.
On March 03 2015 06:51 Painmaker wrote:
So, anyone playing Cho Gath here? I started playing him a few days ago, running Devourer Wits FH in the jungle.
On top lane I'm using that build on solomid.net Tri force Rylais Fh... I'm 9/2 on him so far...

most popular thing I've seen is the standard maokai build on him, with RoA into Frozenheart, and he just becomes an unkillable juggernaut.
liftlift > tsm
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 02 2015 23:05 GMT
#625
On the Blitz/Thresh discussion, I feel they fill very different roles. Blitz lands a good hook, he can decide the fight before it happens. Thresh's kit is 100% about the cc he brings during the fight. Ever since his release he has been the most annoying support to get through to reach the adc, bar none (except possibly Janna).

The fact that he has low winrate (if he does, haven't looked myself) seems to me a simple case of high skill ceiling. Anyone can play Jarvan or Janna, but good threshes that don't just play his kit straight from the gimmicks they've seen on lcs can carry games.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 02 2015 23:13 GMT
#626
On March 03 2015 05:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 05:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 03 2015 05:17 Slusher wrote:
On March 03 2015 05:09 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:43 Alaric wrote:
But Blitz is also weaker in teamfights, where Thresh has a lower cooldown on Q (and longer effective cc duration unless Blitz can pull a diver out of a fight), Flay is AoE and can catch people without meleeing them, the Lantern is always at least a shield, and his ult rivals Blitz in terms of damage as long as you only get 2-3 people with it, on top of having that huge slow.

Thresh also gets tankier without items, and although his hooks aren't as much of a death sentence (no pun intended), if you have follow-up, like for example the popular Ahri, you can still wreck people with it, and you don't get punished for hooking a Gnar or Lissandra into your team.

why are you teamfighting with blitz?


because he is comparing the pros and cons of the entire kits holy shit

conveniently missing out the straight up game winning ability of blitzcrank. There are few abilities that are absolutely game altering, even fewer that are non-ults. Blitz is one of them, and that's why he's good, trying to compare an all-round pick vs a specialist is fucking silly as hell.


veigar stun WAS one of them, but apparently buying merc treads is just too hard for counterplay

Path 5.5: Blitz Q now has a .75 second delay before firing and range reduced to 500.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 02 2015 23:23 GMT
#627
On March 03 2015 08:13 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 05:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 03 2015 05:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 03 2015 05:17 Slusher wrote:
On March 03 2015 05:09 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:43 Alaric wrote:
But Blitz is also weaker in teamfights, where Thresh has a lower cooldown on Q (and longer effective cc duration unless Blitz can pull a diver out of a fight), Flay is AoE and can catch people without meleeing them, the Lantern is always at least a shield, and his ult rivals Blitz in terms of damage as long as you only get 2-3 people with it, on top of having that huge slow.

Thresh also gets tankier without items, and although his hooks aren't as much of a death sentence (no pun intended), if you have follow-up, like for example the popular Ahri, you can still wreck people with it, and you don't get punished for hooking a Gnar or Lissandra into your team.

why are you teamfighting with blitz?


because he is comparing the pros and cons of the entire kits holy shit

conveniently missing out the straight up game winning ability of blitzcrank. There are few abilities that are absolutely game altering, even fewer that are non-ults. Blitz is one of them, and that's why he's good, trying to compare an all-round pick vs a specialist is fucking silly as hell.


veigar stun WAS one of them, but apparently buying merc treads is just too hard for counterplay

Path 5.5: Blitz Q now has a .75 second delay before firing and range reduced to 500.

Still better than veigar
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 02 2015 23:24 GMT
#628
On March 03 2015 08:13 obesechicken13 wrote:
Path 5.5: Blitz Q now has a .75 second delay before firing and range reduced to 500.

If it was coded as a cast time i'd be actually super hyped about that. it'd allow some sweet shenanigans, like flashing mid cast time to change angles and stuff.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 23:34:37
March 02 2015 23:25 GMT
#629
Contrary to popular belief thresh is actually not a useful champion if you are bad and isn't really faceroll unlike a lot of other supports so it makes perfect sense.Is pretty surprising to me that people are saying nobody clicks lantern.I am only d3 currently and it is extremely rare for people to just ignore my lantern.The funniest thing is this only happens in lane sometimes from ad players who should be used to it the most...

Saying blitz is amazing and at the same time saying you don't buy sighstone because it is useless are 2 statements that don't really go together.

Personally I don't like playing him too much cuz enemy just picks morgana and it forces you to roam and snowball other lanes while hoping your ad doesn't ragequit.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 02 2015 23:34 GMT
#630
On March 03 2015 08:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 08:13 obesechicken13 wrote:
Path 5.5: Blitz Q now has a .75 second delay before firing and range reduced to 500.

If it was coded as a cast time i'd be actually super hyped about that. it'd allow some sweet shenanigans, like flashing mid cast time to change angles and stuff.

You mean release thresh?

rip sweet prince.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 02 2015 23:43 GMT
#631
On March 03 2015 08:25 nafta wrote:
Contrary to popular belief thresh is actually not a useful champion if you are bad and isn't really faceroll unlike a lot of other supports so it makes perfect sense.Is pretty surprising to me that people are saying nobody clicks lantern.I am only d3 currently and it is extremely rare for people to just ignore my lantern.The funniest thing is this only happens in lane sometimes from ad players who should be used to it the most...

Saying blitz is amazing and at the same time saying you don't buy sighstone because it is useless are 2 statements that don't really go together.

Personally I don't like playing him too much cuz enemy just picks morgana and it forces you to roam and snowball other lanes while hoping your ad doesn't ragequit.


Nothing is more annoying than playing Thresh and someone not clicking the lantern. Its one of those things that irks you really a lot so if it happens once and they click the next ten times you still remember. I had one of those sick madlife hook lantern plays set up during placements and my jungler didn't click and I still remember that lol.
Freeeeeeedom
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 02 2015 23:46 GMT
#632
On March 03 2015 08:43 cLutZ wrote:

Nothing is more annoying than playing Thresh and someone not clicking the lantern. Its one of those things that irks you really a lot so if it happens once and they click the next ten times you still remember. I had one of those sick madlife hook lantern plays set up during placements and my jungler didn't click and I still remember that lol.

the best is when they pull a doublelift and dash away from the lantern and then flash into it to grab it.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 03 2015 00:16 GMT
#633
On March 03 2015 08:43 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 08:25 nafta wrote:
Contrary to popular belief thresh is actually not a useful champion if you are bad and isn't really faceroll unlike a lot of other supports so it makes perfect sense.Is pretty surprising to me that people are saying nobody clicks lantern.I am only d3 currently and it is extremely rare for people to just ignore my lantern.The funniest thing is this only happens in lane sometimes from ad players who should be used to it the most...

Saying blitz is amazing and at the same time saying you don't buy sighstone because it is useless are 2 statements that don't really go together.

Personally I don't like playing him too much cuz enemy just picks morgana and it forces you to roam and snowball other lanes while hoping your ad doesn't ragequit.


Nothing is more annoying than playing Thresh and someone not clicking the lantern. Its one of those things that irks you really a lot so if it happens once and they click the next ten times you still remember. I had one of those sick madlife hook lantern plays set up during placements and my jungler didn't click and I still remember that lol.


I play thresh quite a lot in teambuilder with people mostly in the plat/diamond range and more than people not clicking lantern, is people in trouble just not running towards thresh. They just don't even think about lantern and just run off in some random direction and die while I can't even get close enough to throw it.

I have a very good winrate with him but I rarely save people with lantern due to this, I mostly just pick people with hook and teamfight well. Its annoying to not even get to use a huge part of his kit though.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 03 2015 00:28 GMT
#634
On March 03 2015 09:16 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 08:43 cLutZ wrote:
On March 03 2015 08:25 nafta wrote:
Contrary to popular belief thresh is actually not a useful champion if you are bad and isn't really faceroll unlike a lot of other supports so it makes perfect sense.Is pretty surprising to me that people are saying nobody clicks lantern.I am only d3 currently and it is extremely rare for people to just ignore my lantern.The funniest thing is this only happens in lane sometimes from ad players who should be used to it the most...

Saying blitz is amazing and at the same time saying you don't buy sighstone because it is useless are 2 statements that don't really go together.

Personally I don't like playing him too much cuz enemy just picks morgana and it forces you to roam and snowball other lanes while hoping your ad doesn't ragequit.


Nothing is more annoying than playing Thresh and someone not clicking the lantern. Its one of those things that irks you really a lot so if it happens once and they click the next ten times you still remember. I had one of those sick madlife hook lantern plays set up during placements and my jungler didn't click and I still remember that lol.


I play thresh quite a lot in teambuilder with people mostly in the plat/diamond range and more than people not clicking lantern, is people in trouble just not running towards thresh. They just don't even think about lantern and just run off in some random direction and die while I can't even get close enough to throw it.

I have a very good winrate with him but I rarely save people with lantern due to this, I mostly just pick people with hook and teamfight well. Its annoying to not even get to use a huge part of his kit though.

Imagine your winrate if you picked blitz
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 03 2015 00:48 GMT
#635
Anyone else played Jungle Darius? I ended up playing it in ranked (wanted to play top, pick "error" by 5th pick meant either dodge or jungle) but I was actually quite impressed.

He actually has a really strong clear. The Cripple attack speed slow is really good. Not particularly fast clear, but it doesn't matter because he can do 6 camps on his first clear. He also isn't exactly slow. He can build sightstone because he wants the stats anyway and doesn't particularly need the early game combat stats.

His ganks are kinda mediocre in that can be hard to close on an enemy laner; but if, unless you get to them in which case there is no escape, you actually do a ridiculous amount of base damage even if you are like 2 levels behind the laner, and apprehend makes someone flashing laughable. I think he either needs ghost or Righteous Glory... to me both options are kind of iffy, because you need the speed ASAP and want to get like a S.S, Boots, Jungle item first, but flash is also just hard to give up. He can easily just buy chilling smite though. His clear is better than Vi's by quite a bit.

His dragon control is pretty good, his team fighting as a jungler is awesome because he is one of the few that you can just build pure defensive items and still hit hard / peel well. His lack of engage kind of sucks, but with the amount of Leblanc / Liss / Annie / Sivir / Sion /Mao / Leona / Braum / etc being played at the moment this is mitigated if you have the right team comp.

Based on my small sample size (5 games, all ranked 4-1) I think he is actually a viable jungler, not quite J4 / Vi tier, but good. Honestly, if they didn't nerf smite range I would have said he was freelo.

Does someone else want to try him out and see if I stumbled on to something?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 03 2015 00:49 GMT
#636
On March 03 2015 09:48 iCanada wrote:
Anyone else played Jungle Darius? I ended up playing it in ranked (wanted to play top, pick "error" by 5th pick meant either dodge or jungle) but I was actually quite impressed.

He actually has a really strong clear. The Cripple attack speed slow is really good. Not particularly fast clear, but it doesn't matter because he can do 6 camps on his first clear. He also isn't exactly slow. He can build sightstone because he wants the stats anyway and doesn't particularly need the early game combat stats.

His ganks are kinda mediocre in that can be hard to close on an enemy laner; but if, unless you get to them in which case there is no escape, you actually do a ridiculous amount of base damage even if you are like 2 levels behind the laner, and apprehend makes someone flashing laughable. I think he either needs ghost or Righteous Glory... to me both options are kind of iffy, because you need the speed ASAP and want to get like a S.S, Boots, Jungle item first, but flash is also just hard to give up. He can easily just buy chilling smite though. His clear is better than Vi's by quite a bit.

His dragon control is pretty good, his team fighting as a jungler is awesome because he is one of the few that you can just build pure defensive items and still hit hard / peel well. His lack of engage kind of sucks, but with the amount of Leblanc / Liss / Annie / Sivir / Sion /Mao / Leona / Braum / etc being played at the moment this is mitigated if you have the right team comp.

Based on my small sample size (5 games, all ranked 4-1) I think he is actually a viable jungler, not quite J4 / Vi tier, but good. Honestly, if they didn't nerf smite range I would have said he was freelo.

Does someone else want to try him out and see if I stumbled on to something?

I have a friend who does it in normals (he's d5 in ranked), he gets insanely fed with it, but from what he said chilling smite nerf makes it much harder for him to gap close.
liftlift > tsm
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-03 01:05:53
March 03 2015 00:59 GMT
#637
On March 03 2015 09:28 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 09:16 sob3k wrote:
On March 03 2015 08:43 cLutZ wrote:
On March 03 2015 08:25 nafta wrote:
Contrary to popular belief thresh is actually not a useful champion if you are bad and isn't really faceroll unlike a lot of other supports so it makes perfect sense.Is pretty surprising to me that people are saying nobody clicks lantern.I am only d3 currently and it is extremely rare for people to just ignore my lantern.The funniest thing is this only happens in lane sometimes from ad players who should be used to it the most...

Saying blitz is amazing and at the same time saying you don't buy sighstone because it is useless are 2 statements that don't really go together.

Personally I don't like playing him too much cuz enemy just picks morgana and it forces you to roam and snowball other lanes while hoping your ad doesn't ragequit.


Nothing is more annoying than playing Thresh and someone not clicking the lantern. Its one of those things that irks you really a lot so if it happens once and they click the next ten times you still remember. I had one of those sick madlife hook lantern plays set up during placements and my jungler didn't click and I still remember that lol.


I play thresh quite a lot in teambuilder with people mostly in the plat/diamond range and more than people not clicking lantern, is people in trouble just not running towards thresh. They just don't even think about lantern and just run off in some random direction and die while I can't even get close enough to throw it.

I have a very good winrate with him but I rarely save people with lantern due to this, I mostly just pick people with hook and teamfight well. Its annoying to not even get to use a huge part of his kit though.

Imagine your winrate if you picked blitz


I used to play him a lot, but I stopped after nerfs because he sucks ass in lane, and his teamfighting is weaker. In lane you land a hook and still lose the trade. You're totally reliant on your jungler and in teamfights he is just worse than Thresh. I never want to rely on jungle in soloque. I can actually win lane with thresh without needing to get lucky.

On March 03 2015 09:48 iCanada wrote:
Anyone else played Jungle Darius? I ended up playing it in ranked (wanted to play top, pick "error" by 5th pick meant either dodge or jungle) but I was actually quite impressed.

He actually has a really strong clear. The Cripple attack speed slow is really good. Not particularly fast clear, but it doesn't matter because he can do 6 camps on his first clear. He also isn't exactly slow. He can build sightstone because he wants the stats anyway and doesn't particularly need the early game combat stats.

His ganks are kinda mediocre in that can be hard to close on an enemy laner; but if, unless you get to them in which case there is no escape, you actually do a ridiculous amount of base damage even if you are like 2 levels behind the laner, and apprehend makes someone flashing laughable. I think he either needs ghost or Righteous Glory... to me both options are kind of iffy, because you need the speed ASAP and want to get like a S.S, Boots, Jungle item first, but flash is also just hard to give up. He can easily just buy chilling smite though. His clear is better than Vi's by quite a bit.

His dragon control is pretty good, his team fighting as a jungler is awesome because he is one of the few that you can just build pure defensive items and still hit hard / peel well. His lack of engage kind of sucks, but with the amount of Leblanc / Liss / Annie / Sivir / Sion /Mao / Leona / Braum / etc being played at the moment this is mitigated if you have the right team comp.

Based on my small sample size (5 games, all ranked 4-1) I think he is actually a viable jungler, not quite J4 / Vi tier, but good. Honestly, if they didn't nerf smite range I would have said he was freelo.

Does someone else want to try him out and see if I stumbled on to something?


I played him a lot, I think I posted a while back in his thread. Yeah he jungles well, does good under certain conditions. I just stopped because his lack of gap closers as a champ made him just weaker to play. He has exactly the same problems as lane Darius. Just not much outplay potential on him, really really hard to carry on, when you just can't get to anyone. I totally agree he could be a strong pick in a comp built for him with some hastes. His kit is pretty sick in the jungle. I would agree he is just a tier lower than top picks.

I always wanted to see a wombo comp built with his E as an enabler, as his flash hook stacks everyone hit onto literally one point.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 03 2015 01:03 GMT
#638
On March 03 2015 09:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 09:48 iCanada wrote:
Anyone else played Jungle Darius? I ended up playing it in ranked (wanted to play top, pick "error" by 5th pick meant either dodge or jungle) but I was actually quite impressed.

He actually has a really strong clear. The Cripple attack speed slow is really good. Not particularly fast clear, but it doesn't matter because he can do 6 camps on his first clear. He also isn't exactly slow. He can build sightstone because he wants the stats anyway and doesn't particularly need the early game combat stats.

His ganks are kinda mediocre in that can be hard to close on an enemy laner; but if, unless you get to them in which case there is no escape, you actually do a ridiculous amount of base damage even if you are like 2 levels behind the laner, and apprehend makes someone flashing laughable. I think he either needs ghost or Righteous Glory... to me both options are kind of iffy, because you need the speed ASAP and want to get like a S.S, Boots, Jungle item first, but flash is also just hard to give up. He can easily just buy chilling smite though. His clear is better than Vi's by quite a bit.

His dragon control is pretty good, his team fighting as a jungler is awesome because he is one of the few that you can just build pure defensive items and still hit hard / peel well. His lack of engage kind of sucks, but with the amount of Leblanc / Liss / Annie / Sivir / Sion /Mao / Leona / Braum / etc being played at the moment this is mitigated if you have the right team comp.

Based on my small sample size (5 games, all ranked 4-1) I think he is actually a viable jungler, not quite J4 / Vi tier, but good. Honestly, if they didn't nerf smite range I would have said he was freelo.

Does someone else want to try him out and see if I stumbled on to something?

I have a friend who does it in normals (he's d5 in ranked), he gets insanely fed with it, but from what he said chilling smite nerf makes it much harder for him to gap close.


Yeah, I definitely feel that range nerf, lol. I've been preforming well with it, but I can't help but think he would have killed everything and been unstoppable pre nerf.

He also has huge level 2 gank threat, you can just do red and walk behind almost any lane with Q and E for easy kills ala S2. Kind of cheesy atm though, if it became meta I think it'd be warded against. No one expects a gank at like 2 20 right now.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
March 03 2015 01:08 GMT
#639
All of this talk of jungle Darius is making me giddy. Going to try it out later when I get the chance!

But I have to ask: How do you guys manage to get all 6 camps on your first clear as Darius? I've tried and I can only get 4 at very best.

Which route do you guys take? Also what runes do you guys run? I do Attack Marks, Armour Seals, Scaling MR Glyphs, and Movement Speed Quints. Is my jungle rune page off?

Or is there some sort of magic to kiting the jungle monsters that I don't understand?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 03 2015 01:13 GMT
#640
There was a Graves in the enemy team, with 35% crit.
First time I see him he crits me 3 out of 4 autos.
Second time crit crit auto.
Third time he just ks'd me from someone with a single auto, crit too.

I stopped counting at that point. Riot pls.

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