[Patch 5.4] Wubwubwub General Discussion - Page 34

On March 03 2015 11:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
What counterplay is there to Annie in lane? When are they adding a 0.75 second delay to a 0.25 cast time on Tibbers?

On March 03 2015 11:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
What counterplay is there to Annie in lane? When are they adding a 0.75 second delay to a 0.25 cast time on Tibbers?

On March 03 2015 11:59 Frolossus wrote:

mid or bot?
in any case i think the answer to both is morg or bend over

On March 03 2015 11:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Don't get stunned.

On March 03 2015 11:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
What counterplay is there to Annie in lane? When are they adding a 0.75 second delay to a 0.25 cast time on Tibbers?

On March 03 2015 12:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


So you literally just sit at tower until her swirl goes away, or when she's one stack short because she can just E while the spell is midair?

On March 03 2015 12:50 sob3k wrote:
I assume you are talking about support annie because thats all people play now, you can also try something like karma and velkoz and poke her out.

On March 03 2015 13:18 GolemMadness wrote:
Unless they're extremely high or extremely low, I don't think win rates really mean much. Yeah, if a win rate is under 40%, the champion's probably pretty bad. But saying that if a champion has a 49% win rate it's bad is pretty silly.

On March 03 2015 13:27 Amui wrote:

I'd probably say any champion below 46% should just get a buff(small) the next patch, and anything above 54% should be looked at.

But I'm not working for Riot so I don't get to make decisions on whether Elise or Zac should come back into meta, or if urgot should even be a non-troll pick(outside urf. He's fucking amazing on urf, because one grenade = kill).

On March 03 2015 12:50 sob3k wrote:
I assume you are talking about support annie because thats all people play now, you can also try something like karma and velkoz and poke her out.

On March 03 2015 02:48 MidnightGladius wrote:


You're using the ranged positioning trick to prevent blue buff from attacking you, right? I have to think that it's only a matter of time before that gets patched out

On March 03 2015 10:23 iCanada wrote:


Couple things: don't take ms quints. Jungle too hard imo, Ms quints a luxury junglers can't afford imo.

I use ad quints, as / ar pen red, flat armor yellows, and cd / as blues. Dunno if that's optimal or not, but definitely stops you from getting your ass kicked as hard. Lots of peopla hev told me I am trash for using the blue spots to help my jungle clear, but I like that too.

The other is Darius is one of the few champions that can still kite jungle camps Oldschool like due to his bleed damage.

On March 03 2015 19:14 TheHumanSensation wrote:
I ward more than 93% of players this season. Overall warding score 2310. I know I definitely overvalue warding (especially deep warding) as a player, but I'm comfortable with my style and I don't really focus on winning games or improving tbh. I suspect my score is lower because I frequently replace not-yet-expired wards with my SS before I go back to base or when setting up for an objective / defense. I also generally back more often than most other players and usually get early homeguards, though. Basically complete opposite of 101toss and I'm only silver so no conclusions pls



I'm assuming you're talking about the thing that the one person posted in the Zyra jungle video. For Malzahar, I think this trick only works if you don't summon a voidling, which kills your clear time. Additionally, Malzahar doesn't actually need to abuse this trick in order to clear blue buff effectively if you pre-charge the voidling correctly. Alternatively, you can still kite blue very well due to it's slow MS, and on the bottom-left side of the map you can loop the blue buff around the wall quite far.



This isn't quite true. The current machete gives everyone a DoT effect on autos, making DoTs on champion kits irrelevant for kiting. Also I'm not sure kiting ever relied on DoTs to begin with - it was completely possible to do it without, unless you're talking like s1 or beta when I didn't play.

Also, largely unrelated question about the relationship between pickrate and winrate. Because the global winrate (and presumably winrate within divisions as well) is necessarily 50%, shouldn't a higher pickrate naturally (but not necessarily until 100% I guess) gravitate toward a 50% winrate?