EPTsufficiency, i would definitely recommend reading at least the beginning of his NA LCS player performance analysis where he discusses the winning-bias inherent in raw KDA if you're going to be working with that stat.
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
sufficiency, i would definitely recommend reading at least the beginning of his NA LCS player performance analysis where he discusses the winning-bias inherent in raw KDA if you're going to be working with that stat. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On December 09 2014 01:12 Purge wrote: Hello! :D Just checking out the TL forums for the first time in a while and this conversation is really intriguing. I am just curious though, Anyone know how the dragons math out compared to relative gold leads right now? I used to just compare the difference between gold earned by teams against the losing teams score as a percentage and that usually gave me a good indicator of relative strength, but now thats not possible because its a bit harder to quantify and is a fair bit abstract. I know the Also so on the topic of this Its sounds so much like a catch 22 that its unbelieveable. Noone is going to tell you their advanced stats because as it stands anyone with the technical knowhow is going to be getting snapped up by a team. By that rationale shouldnt people just start at least giving ideas an ear instead of dismissing them out of hand? And what do you guys think of Viktor on 4.20? I honestly think he is sleeper OP and completely competitively viable just based on his recent rework, but Im not sure in what context. All the arguments against him look the same to the ones given by people who discarded Syndra as a competitive pick last year. I haven't looked at the stats in a while but Vik should be bad. 46% diamond win rate irrc. He doesn't have the tools like other mids have really. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I am aware that winning => higher KDA. In fact that's the whole point (for my purposes). | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Syndra has much stronger clear because she has better range in general, easier AoE (Viktor is a line, it sucks against balled up waves), shorter cooldowns. Viktor's clear relies on his E augment which isn't always practical (line, again, and the delay on the explosion) and can't be used twice before the wave reaches the tower in sieges. Syndra doesn't have cast times on any of her basics spells, she has animations but they don't matter because she can cast while moving, which is part of what makes her amazing. She has a long range slow, an instant cone displacement/stun to stop gap closers reactively and defend against ganks, while Viktor's W is more of a zoning tool that won't protect you from dives/gap closers. Syndra can create picks at up to 1100 range by fishing with an EQ combo, all while having the potential to 100-0 squishies by herself without big items (like DFG or deathcap first), her ultimate's cooldown is also lower than most mages up until level 16. Viktor can't create picks because of the W range and delay, and unless fed and against no-MR people he shouldn't be able to 100-0 them (until very late in the game to make use of Q's big base and the augment's AP's level-scaling), on top of that his ult has a longer cooldown than most mages (it used to be a flat 120 and damn if you don't feel it rough). A bunch of the above are compounded by the fact that rushing CDR usually isn't the best choice on Viktor: it was sub-optimal or even outright bad pre-rework (he really needed his power spikes and to make use of the augment's cost-efficiency), not so much now, but he's better off betting on one-shotting the wave with augmented E (even moreso in the preseason since MPen won't work) than trying to get 2 Es off, even with the mp5 generally associated with CDR items (his E, contrary to a ton of more recent champions, has an actual mana cost). Syndra, on the other hand, is perfectly fine doing it because of Q's low base cooldown and the nature of her ultimate (up more often = people blown up more often = more effective gpm/xpm). On top of that Q's reasonable cost means she can spam it on the wave to clear it at 800+ range, and it also greatly improves her damage in skirmishes, while the bonus at level 5 makes it very good on champions (0.7 AP, < 3s cd, 800 range AoE nuke? Yes pls) in terms of dps while Viktor struggles more in that department. Viktor has other strengths, of course, but Syndra's still more than a notch above him overall, and he doesn't match her strengths and what makes her good competitively, so you can't really compare them. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
I haven't played League for some time and I was wondering what the meta was for top lane. Would anyone be so kind as to tell me? Also I apologize if this topic was literally discussed a few pages ago. I did some looking and it doesn't seem like you guys covered anything. Thanks! | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On December 09 2014 05:18 Sufficiency wrote: Which part are you referring to? I am aware that winning => higher KDA. In fact that's the whole point (for my purposes). i just thought the first 4 paragraphs or so might provide some perspective or give you some ideas that might help, but i'm not even sure if you are using individual or teamwide KDA numbers so i might be wrong. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On December 09 2014 05:30 Frudgey wrote: Hey guys, I haven't played League for some time and I was wondering what the meta was for top lane. Would anyone be so kind as to tell me? Also I apologize if this topic was literally discussed a few pages ago. I did some looking and it doesn't seem like you guys covered anything. Thanks! Irelia, Liss, Mao is current meta for Top. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 09 2014 05:36 NeoIllusions wrote: Irelia, Liss, Mao is current meta for Top. Poppy vs Mao as counter pick is pretty meta too now. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 09 2014 05:36 NeoIllusions wrote: Irelia, Liss, Mao is current meta for Top. Gnar and rumble are meta tops as well | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 09 2014 05:58 onlywonderboy wrote: Top lane got weird. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Friend's reaction: "It's missing the character designed to sell toys merchandise". | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
aura, where are you? | ||
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Alaric
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Purge
Canada372 Posts
Viktor has other strengths, of course, but Syndra's still more than a notch above him overall, and he doesn't match her strengths and what makes her good competitively, so you can't really compare them. I read it and it makes sense mostly. I would argue though that after putting some thought into it Viktor should really be running CDR runes because he really doesnt need AP per lvl Blues because of Hex Core, so there is that. @ max cdr E cd is 5 seconds which is about Syndra level waveclear. More theorycrafting to sate that curiosity will happen I guess. Edit: I did end up looking up Spellsy as mentioned by someone in this thread and couldnt find anything statistically related that he has done. pointers? | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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NeoIllusions
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 09 2014 06:23 NeoIllusions wrote: I've never ever felt like I had mana probs with Panth. I think people that have mana problems with Panth are playing super scared instead of just going balls to the wall constantly. | ||
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