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TheYango

United States47024 Posts

November 21 2014 23:58 GMT

#241

On November 22 2014 08:53 PrinceXizor wrote:
but yeah its not supposed to be enforceable more than just this one time. they got the result they wanted from the rule. i doubt it'll ever come up again.

Then what was the actual point of this other than to fuck with Alex Garfield?

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

November 21 2014 23:58 GMT

#242

On November 22 2014 08:56 739 wrote:

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tl;dr, summary anyone?

Because Alex garfield owns the brands EG and Alliance. he's not allowed to do that. He had to pick between having his company that sells sponsorships to both teams, pick between having only 1 brand be supported by him, and keep that brand name, OR stop selling his brand to those teams and have them both have to find new names, but his company can continue controlling their sponsorships.

On November 22 2014 08:58 TheYango wrote:

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Then what was the actual point of this other than to fuck with Alex Garfield?

I think thats it exactly. They felt Alex garfield had too much control over "THEIR" scene. so they punished him for it.

thats why i want him to begin selling sponsorships to the rest of the scene, but that was explicitly allowed by riot. and alex ends up with even more control than before the rule.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

November 22 2014 00:00 GMT

#243

Or his 3rd option is to restructure his organization so that there's no explicit link between him and the teams but he still implicitly owns them. Since it would be a huge fucking waste of time for Riot to prove he still controls both teams anyway.

EDIT: I guess that's actually the same thing from a practical standpoint as the second option, since, again, he still owns both teams, he just profits indirectly by selling the rights for someone to put their brand on the team rather than directly selling his own brand.

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

November 22 2014 00:04 GMT

#244

On November 22 2014 09:00 TheYango wrote:
Or his 3rd option is to restructure his organization so that there's no explicit link between him and the teams but he still implicitly owns them. Since it would be a huge fucking waste of time for Riot to prove he still controls both teams anyway.

EDIT: I guess that's actually the same thing from a practical standpoint as the second option, since, again, he still owns both teams, he just profits indirectly by selling the rights for someone to put their brand on the team.

yeah pretty much the same thing. I'd love for a company to have the brand for the new EG, and that company owns another company that owns the new brand for Alliance. and have the company put GoodGame Agency in charge.

because if the companies are incorporated, they are separate individuals from alex garfield, even if he's CEO of them, by US law. so riot can't prove anything.

chalice

United States1945 Posts

November 22 2014 00:04 GMT

#245

On November 22 2014 08:31 Jek wrote:
Twitch is a special case, he can do jungle without taking damage thanks to his DoT passive - just like Teemo. Lulu could do it too, haven't tried her yet in new jungle, with a lot of AS runes/quints since her passive would hit later than her auto.

AS reds+AP quints Xin is hilarious now. Can full clear and have a pot left, strong ganks and fast clears.

thx for reminding me, i forgot all about lulu, she's definitely my most played ranged jungler, way better ganks than lucian.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

November 22 2014 00:07 GMT

#246

On November 22 2014 09:04 PrinceXizor wrote:

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I mean that's still sort of against what the new rule actually states, but again, it's entirely impossible for Riot to actually enforce that because it involves hundreds of man-hours sniffing around every LCS team organization and every sponsor/branding organization that they are each involved in order to look for something that may or may not exist, and if it does exist and is found, doesn't even practically benefit Riot to find.

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

November 22 2014 00:09 GMT

#247

On November 22 2014 09:07 TheYango wrote:

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Yeah but i want them to have to spend the money to do it. more so out of spite for them making rule after rule in order to hold on to absolute power.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

November 22 2014 00:13 GMT

#248

The more ridiculous part is that it includes the possibility of cross-regional team ownership (well, it actually has to in order to affect Alex Garfield at all) AND includes ALL potential Worlds-qualifying Leagues. Riot can't possibly expect it to be believable that they have the ability to maintain control over all possible indirect associations between the teams that encompasses.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

November 22 2014 00:15 GMT

#249

On November 22 2014 09:13 TheYango wrote:
The more ridiculous part is that it includes the possibility of cross-regional team ownership (well, it actually has to in order to affect Alex Garfield at all) AND includes ALL potential Worlds-qualifying Leagues. Riot can't possibly expect it to be believable that they have the ability to maintain control over all possible indirect associations between the teams that encompasses.

I don't think they thought it through, similar to their patches.

That being said, RIP EG

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

November 22 2014 00:16 GMT

#250

I'm pretty sure that riot believes they can do anything they want with league of legends and lcs.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

November 22 2014 00:19 GMT

#251

Wtf is that new Maokai portrait, I'd have thought it was some deformed Mega Gnar is there wasn't already one on Qtpie's team. That makes no fucking sense, it's on Udyr's level fo "wtf is that and how does it have any relation to the champion it supposedly depicts".

TheHumanSensation

Canada1210 Posts

November 22 2014 00:33 GMT

#252

Borderless mode doesn't run as nicely as fullscreen on my 4yo laptop, woah. But at least I know how to take screencaps now.

Jungle range abuse mini-guide (should I refine this into a separate thread / guide eventually? Open to thoughts):

Not that it matters, but I guess it can't hurt to include these
Twitch
Runes: +29% AS, +9 armour, +27 MR@18
Masteries: 21/9/0
Not optimal but that's not the point of this guide. AS can affect resetting stuff, so important to include. 0.90 AS @ lv1.

While I didn't start every camp with full HP (picture taking and typing between camps gave me weird downtime for HP accuracy), you can probably use the pics as a metric to know you'll be taking that much or less damage I guess? Some of these pictures are also from different games.

http://i.imgur.com/AGRpVft.png

Rocks: Pretty simple, every botlane duo knows how to do this. If you stand further to the right, little rock will keep hitting you (bodyblocking big rock) and deal low-negligible damage, but this adjustment will also 100% prevent resets afaik (useful if you don't have smite or execute abilities). You can also stand closer to Red or tribush, but I haven't practiced this. When it's at about half health, you can smite + use Rock buff to prevent any damage and finish it off within it's attack range. Of note is that big rock has a little bit of range but it shouldn't matter.

http://i.imgur.com/DSrn3C4.png

Red: Pretty simple. You can get closer than you think. On buff camps, a reset can cost up to 5 seconds and 50hp or so, so try not to let it do this. Chalice's fear is wholly reasonable, and I do recommend keeping Smite handy or kiting after a while (Rock buff means you won't take damage) if you're still learning or playing a champ without an execute.

http://i.imgur.com/zUZdLLn.png

Birds: Very tricky. Big bird has range and can get into a half-reset pattern where it hits you about half the time, which is dangerous without an execute or smite due to the speed of the bird allowing this to quickly turn into a whole reset. If you do it right Big bird won't reset (but you will take damage from it), so unless you have an AoE ability it's fine to just let the little birds dance around resetting. Different spots will let you take different amounts of damage from the little birds depending on how many hit you. This takes practice and I'm not great at it yet. If 1 little bird and the big bird is hitting you on and off then that's pretty solid, but this camp is still dangerous without Rock buff or smite. I find this to be the most consistent spot (0.5 little birds, big bird on and off and won't reset with Rock buff – some variation). If you put a ward in the bush you can lure them close to the mid inner turret, but you can't quite reach the range to benefit from the shield.

http://i.imgur.com/kfdlrl0.png

Blue: Probably the easiest of all imo. Can be done on the other side of the rock (down and left of where I am in the pic) but seems less consistent and I haven't been punished for this yet so I haven't had to practice it. No real advice other than that even if it resets it can be kited trivially because it's super slow.

http://i.imgur.com/rD3i7Z7.png

Wolves: Tricky, but not as bad as Birds. This spot leaves 1 little wolf hitting you and the others dancing around. It's a difficult camp to learn and test with because the wolves move so quickly, making even a quick step backwards sometimes lead to a reset. Typically won't reset once you're stationary, though (maybe it has to do with attack range?). It seems to matter how you kite them up to this spot, and I have the most success going upwards before going to the left. You can also do this near mid but I haven't practiced it much because it's an annoying camp to practice on.

http://i.imgur.com/Tz0Twbw.png

Frog: This doesn't really work. You have to kite in and out of it's maximum attack range without leading it out of it's reset range. By wiggling left and right of where I am in the picture I can consistently cancel about 1/2 – 2/3 of it's attacks, but it's probably possible to do better. This one really needs a video instead of a picture. It hurts the most out of any of the camps, though, and I generally just avoid it altogether unless I have Rock buff or smite.

I'm pretty busy writing final papers and such but this is fun so let me know if I need to clarify things at all.

justiceknight

Singapore5741 Posts

November 22 2014 00:35 GMT

#253

is cass op or what? why is riot nerfing the passive?

TheHumanSensation

Canada1210 Posts

November 22 2014 00:36 GMT

#254

On November 22 2014 08:10 chalice wrote:
lucian is the only adc i've jungled with so far, spamming Q and W to clear camps quickly will use up your mana pool pretty quickly without blue.

i'm pretty sure the leashing locations have changed slightly with the patch which is probably why he asked.

I feel like they've changed as well, although it may just be the SR visual update making it seem as such.

I don't believe the DoT has anything to do with it, since Gnar functions similarly and did in the old jungle as well. Additionally, all junglers apply a DoT with their auto attacks because of machete's new passive.

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

November 22 2014 00:38 GMT

#255

On November 22 2014 09:35 justiceknight wrote:
is cass op or what? why is riot nerfing the passive?

people complained that riot ruined cass's feel as a poison poking mage and criticized the stacking minigame as detracting from her laning, so riot got rid of the minigame and just made it mostly time based, and then buffed the poison damage by adding a twin fang minigame, and nerfing twin fangs damage.

they're riot, they're helping.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

November 22 2014 00:47 GMT

#256

That's about the same as calling Swain's combo a "minigame" because you first hit E, then you hit the other spells during its debuff.
Or with Talon's E.
Or Zed's ult.
Or whatever damage amplification really.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

November 22 2014 00:56 GMT

#257

They should just revert the Cass rework already.

The way I understand it, EG and ALL are (theoretically) completely controlled by GGA since the EG and ALL brand along with the team's revenue stream are under Garfield's thumb despite Garfield not owning either team. This gives Garfield a lot of leverage over EG and ALL, which is a legitimate concern since theoretically, you can get a situation where Garfield can threaten to cut off sponsorship or kick the team from the brand. As I understand it, LCS spots belong to the brand, not the players so the latter option would basically boot the team from LCS.

Riot wants LCS to be like major sports leagues. That is, one organization owns and controls one team (usually). The problem is that unlike major sports leagues, many teams don't do their own sponsorship searching. GGA does that for a bunch of teams, making it kind of an utterly pointless rule change since whoever controls the money controls the team (or at least exerts a shitton of influence over them).

Quibbling about the feasibility of riffling through paperwork to see what company owns what is kind of a pointless concern. That happens in basically every industry, not just gaming. It's also not that hard to figure out unless the companies get really really creative or are multi-national. Essentially, the rules change forces people like Garfield to either 1) play by Riot's rules or 2) spend a lot of their own resources making shell companies (which may or may not be worth the effort).

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

November 22 2014 01:12 GMT

#258

On November 22 2014 09:47 Alaric wrote:
That's about the same as calling Swain's combo a "minigame" because you first hit E, then you hit the other spells during its debuff.
Or with Talon's E.
Or Zed's ult.
Or whatever damage amplification really.

Eh... not really. There's a big difference between E->Q on champions every so often and having to do the same thing except for every single one of your CS (I exaggerate since 1 Q serves multiple Es, but you get the idea). For a similar reason I would have preferred that they left E at a .6 or .7 second CD after reset (compensating her DPS of course) since after playing new Cass for awhile I actually got annoyed with having to press E so much (though when I made that remark on the official forums I got downvoted quickly, sadface).

It's not quite a mini-game on the scale of, say, Draven's axes, but it's still there.