EPTit was ashe arrow into gragas ult into engage from a team that was 3 screens away all series long.
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
it was ashe arrow into gragas ult into engage from a team that was 3 screens away all series long. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
it's highly dependent on the situation and the matchup, just concentrate on getting more than your lane opponent and not missing any that you attempt. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I lost top vs. Jax (lost the tower and my jungler chased too far for a kill) and so now I'm 37 minutes with 438 siphoned damage bonus. But I don't like Snoopeh's item build, it feels really tanky but no way to keep foes in place. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You can also try to flank if you're confident enough and your team still has a frontline while you're not there yet. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On September 12 2014 08:51 sob3k wrote: it's highly dependent on the situation and the matchup, just concentrate on getting more than your lane opponent and not missing any that you attempt. I was told a long time ago that 160 @ 20 for a standard lane is a pretty good goal to aim at. obviously feeding/super aggro kill lanes may be less passive lanes may be quite a bit higher(especially for mid lane imo) | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 12 2014 08:58 Alaric wrote: Wither with 40% CDR has almost permanent uptime if they don't have Tenacity, so it's usually not that bad. You're supposed to be tanky enough to be raid boss status, so your team should have the utility to let them reach the enemy after they burn everything to keep you away. Well... ideally. You can also try to flank if you're confident enough and your team still has a frontline while you're not there yet. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/46517366#matches I just won, but I wasn't satisfied with my score. Jax pretty much pulverized me any time we engaged; so I got to focus everyone else. How do I beat Jax? After Trinity Force, I had no idea what to go whatsoever. On September 12 2014 09:05 arb wrote: I was told a long time ago that 160 @ 20 for a standard lane is a pretty good goal to aim at. obviously feeding/super aggro kill lanes may be less passive lanes may be quite a bit higher(especially for mid lane imo) Perfect, I'll try for that! I was 160 in 30 minutes sadly ): | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
That being said, Frozen Heart + 40% cdr Wither should be able to let you duel Jax reasonably well. If you're talking teamfight, it really depends. Wither really really shuts down Jax for the duration of the spell, but Nasus wrecks AD carries if you can get to them (which is somewhat hard nowadays after all the range nerfs). | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 12 2014 08:26 iCanada wrote:Anyone that likes Gunblade is OP as fuck when Ascended. Akali, Jax, Kat, Kayle, Warwick, etc. These guys just become absurd with Ascension. Hecarim I bet too is probably scary. Never seen it though. Mordekaiser, trust me. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 12 2014 09:37 Ryuu314 wrote: Jax thrives in 1v1. You don't really beat Jax after he gets farm/levels unless he's bad or you are somehow able to dodge his E. That being said, Frozen Heart + 40% cdr Wither should be able to let you duel Jax reasonably well. If you're talking teamfight, it really depends. Wither really really shuts down Jax for the duration of the spell, but Nasus wrecks AD carries if you can get to them (which is somewhat hard nowadays after all the range nerfs). Good eye! That's pretty much what happens, he throws everything at me and I don't win duels but it's near even if I have the damage. Do you have suggestions for items? After Trinity Force I'm pretty lost. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
On September 12 2014 09:47 Torte de Lini wrote: Good eye! That's pretty much what happens, he throws everything at me and I don't win duels but it's near even if I have the damage. Do you have suggestions for items? After Trinity Force I'm pretty lost. Did you max E second (spirit fire) like Snoopeh did? You really need to max W (wither) second versus a Jax. Your item build was fine although I probably would have gone Iceborn Gauntlet instead of Triforce. Look up sirhcez, he's a Diamond 1 Nasus main for more tips. http://www.twitch.tv/sirhcez http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19717808 | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On September 12 2014 10:01 FinestHour wrote: 160 in 20 minutes is absolutely garbage rofl u should be getting almost if not more then double that if you're getting 320+ cs consistently at 20 minutes in a solo lane with an opponent, please PM me so i can get you on an LCS team asap | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 12 2014 09:52 miicah wrote: Did you max E second (spirit fire) like Snoopeh did? You really need to max W (wither) second versus a Jax. Your item build was fine although I probably would have gone Iceborn Gauntlet instead of Triforce. Look up sirhcez, he's a Diamond 1 Nasus main for more tips. http://www.twitch.tv/sirhcez http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19717808 Trinity isn't good? I love Trinity and I get Iceborn after Triforce (I just won this game: ) Why is Wither more important for Jax? Is it because of his attack speed? Are there other champs I should max W first? I by mistake maxed Wither against Pantheon but I wrecked him so hard, it was awesome! I also get Sunfire Cape if the other team has a ton of melee. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 12 2014 10:01 FinestHour wrote: 160 in 20 minutes is absolutely garbage rofl u should be getting almost if not more then double that How exactly should the average person be getting 320 creeps in 20 minutes when only 240 spawn? I think idolizing a creepscore number is silly anyway. Its relative. Maybe you have a jungler camping you, so you only hit 120 in 20 minutes and didn't die, but then you team's jungler has made things happen with that lack of map pressure. Thats perfectly okay. Maybe their team has threatened Dragon a ton, so you've been from from lane and missed like 5 waves. There are like 100 different reasons why you would not want to grab a CS. Well, maybe not a 100. lol. A better metric is how many CS you should have got but missed because you are bad. Ever watched Dyrus' stream? He like literally berates himself to death for missing a creep he went for. That should be how you feel. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 12 2014 10:09 iCanada wrote: How exactly should the average person be getting 320 creeps in 20 minutes when only 240 spawn? I think idolizing a creepscore number is silly anyway. Its relative. Maybe you have a jungler camping you, so you only hit 120 in 20 minutes and didn't die, but then you team's jungler has made things happen with that lack of map pressure. Thats perfectly okay. Maybe their team has threatened Dragon a ton, so you've been from from lane and missed like 5 waves. There are like 100 different reasons why you would not want to grab a CS. Well, maybe not a 100. lol. A better metric is how many CS you should have got but missed because you are bad. Ever watched Dyrus' stream? He like literally berates himself to death for missing a creep he went for. That should be how you feel. I think the number is just a bar to see to see if you're doing overall well or not so well. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 12 2014 10:11 Torte de Lini wrote: I think the number is just a bar to see to see if you're doing overall well or not so well. No the point is 320 CS in 20 minutes is actually impossible. Wouldn't that beat the current LCS record? | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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