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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-11 23:42:23
September 11 2014 23:41 GMT
#341
fnatic adc should have been ashe and not corky.


it was ashe arrow into gragas ult into engage from a team that was 3 screens away all series long.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-11 23:46:14
September 11 2014 23:45 GMT
#342
The trick to ascension is to send 4 bot and 1 top at the start. Some champs are good for capping points and often that's all you need to do. I think points are worth a lot more than kills cuz if you steal an enemy one that's like a 6 point swing.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 11 2014 23:50 GMT
#343
It's not so much cs as it is stacks, for Nasus, since you can't afford to only last hti with Q either. Iirc something like 200-300 stacks by 20 minutes is standard (a kill = 3 stacks, doubled for big monsters/siege minions).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
September 11 2014 23:51 GMT
#344
On September 12 2014 08:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 08:28 Alaric wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 12 2014 03:59 FinestHour wrote:
never ever max spirit fire over other two abilities
like ever
period


http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1276091586/25289733

Im using this build for Nasus

I also don't understand Siphoning Strike a bit, can anyone explain it?

or this one? http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1532384713/19674238

I don't want to fight early, I want to farm.

You gain permanent stacks whenever you kill something with Q, including structures. Q adds these stacks to the base damage and the ratio whenever it deals damage, so it effectively scales through farming as long as you use it to last hit minions. During the midgame you can almost one-shot people if you farmed your Q well enough.


How much CS is considered good?


it's highly dependent on the situation and the matchup, just concentrate on getting more than your lane opponent and not missing any that you attempt.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 11 2014 23:56 GMT
#345
Hm. Ok.

I lost top vs. Jax (lost the tower and my jungler chased too far for a kill) and so now I'm 37 minutes with 438 siphoned damage bonus.

But I don't like Snoopeh's item build, it feels really tanky but no way to keep foes in place.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 11 2014 23:58 GMT
#346
Wither with 40% CDR has almost permanent uptime if they don't have Tenacity, so it's usually not that bad. You're supposed to be tanky enough to be raid boss status, so your team should have the utility to let them reach the enemy after they burn everything to keep you away. Well... ideally.
You can also try to flank if you're confident enough and your team still has a frontline while you're not there yet.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 12 2014 00:05 GMT
#347
On September 12 2014 08:51 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 08:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:28 Alaric wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 12 2014 03:59 FinestHour wrote:
never ever max spirit fire over other two abilities
like ever
period


http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1276091586/25289733

Im using this build for Nasus

I also don't understand Siphoning Strike a bit, can anyone explain it?

or this one? http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1532384713/19674238

I don't want to fight early, I want to farm.

You gain permanent stacks whenever you kill something with Q, including structures. Q adds these stacks to the base damage and the ratio whenever it deals damage, so it effectively scales through farming as long as you use it to last hit minions. During the midgame you can almost one-shot people if you farmed your Q well enough.


How much CS is considered good?


it's highly dependent on the situation and the matchup, just concentrate on getting more than your lane opponent and not missing any that you attempt.

I was told a long time ago that 160 @ 20 for a standard lane is a pretty good goal to aim at.
obviously feeding/super aggro kill lanes may be less
passive lanes may be quite a bit higher(especially for mid lane imo)
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 00:15:12
September 12 2014 00:14 GMT
#348
On September 12 2014 08:58 Alaric wrote:
Wither with 40% CDR has almost permanent uptime if they don't have Tenacity, so it's usually not that bad. You're supposed to be tanky enough to be raid boss status, so your team should have the utility to let them reach the enemy after they burn everything to keep you away. Well... ideally.
You can also try to flank if you're confident enough and your team still has a frontline while you're not there yet.


http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/46517366#matches

I just won, but I wasn't satisfied with my score. Jax pretty much pulverized me any time we engaged; so I got to focus everyone else.

How do I beat Jax? After Trinity Force, I had no idea what to go whatsoever.

On September 12 2014 09:05 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 08:51 sob3k wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:28 Alaric wrote:
On September 12 2014 08:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 12 2014 03:59 FinestHour wrote:
never ever max spirit fire over other two abilities
like ever
period


http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1276091586/25289733

Im using this build for Nasus

I also don't understand Siphoning Strike a bit, can anyone explain it?

or this one? http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1532384713/19674238

I don't want to fight early, I want to farm.

You gain permanent stacks whenever you kill something with Q, including structures. Q adds these stacks to the base damage and the ratio whenever it deals damage, so it effectively scales through farming as long as you use it to last hit minions. During the midgame you can almost one-shot people if you farmed your Q well enough.


How much CS is considered good?


it's highly dependent on the situation and the matchup, just concentrate on getting more than your lane opponent and not missing any that you attempt.

I was told a long time ago that 160 @ 20 for a standard lane is a pretty good goal to aim at.
obviously feeding/super aggro kill lanes may be less
passive lanes may be quite a bit higher(especially for mid lane imo)


Perfect, I'll try for that! I was 160 in 30 minutes sadly ):
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 00:38:28
September 12 2014 00:37 GMT
#349
Jax thrives in 1v1. You don't really beat Jax after he gets farm/levels unless he's bad or you are somehow able to dodge his E.

That being said, Frozen Heart + 40% cdr Wither should be able to let you duel Jax reasonably well.

If you're talking teamfight, it really depends. Wither really really shuts down Jax for the duration of the spell, but Nasus wrecks AD carries if you can get to them (which is somewhat hard nowadays after all the range nerfs).
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 12 2014 00:41 GMT
#350
On September 12 2014 08:26 iCanada wrote:Anyone that likes Gunblade is OP as fuck when Ascended. Akali, Jax, Kat, Kayle, Warwick, etc. These guys just become absurd with Ascension. Hecarim I bet too is probably scary. Never seen it though.


Mordekaiser, trust me.
Carrilord has arrived.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 12 2014 00:47 GMT
#351
On September 12 2014 09:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
Jax thrives in 1v1. You don't really beat Jax after he gets farm/levels unless he's bad or you are somehow able to dodge his E.

That being said, Frozen Heart + 40% cdr Wither should be able to let you duel Jax reasonably well.

If you're talking teamfight, it really depends. Wither really really shuts down Jax for the duration of the spell, but Nasus wrecks AD carries if you can get to them (which is somewhat hard nowadays after all the range nerfs).


Good eye! That's pretty much what happens, he throws everything at me and I don't win duels but it's near even if I have the damage.

Do you have suggestions for items? After Trinity Force I'm pretty lost.

https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
September 12 2014 00:52 GMT
#352
On September 12 2014 09:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 09:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
Jax thrives in 1v1. You don't really beat Jax after he gets farm/levels unless he's bad or you are somehow able to dodge his E.

That being said, Frozen Heart + 40% cdr Wither should be able to let you duel Jax reasonably well.

If you're talking teamfight, it really depends. Wither really really shuts down Jax for the duration of the spell, but Nasus wrecks AD carries if you can get to them (which is somewhat hard nowadays after all the range nerfs).


Good eye! That's pretty much what happens, he throws everything at me and I don't win duels but it's near even if I have the damage.

Do you have suggestions for items? After Trinity Force I'm pretty lost.



Did you max E second (spirit fire) like Snoopeh did? You really need to max W (wither) second versus a Jax. Your item build was fine although I probably would have gone Iceborn Gauntlet instead of Triforce.

Look up sirhcez, he's a Diamond 1 Nasus main for more tips.

http://www.twitch.tv/sirhcez
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19717808
@miicah88
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 12 2014 01:01 GMT
#353
160 in 20 minutes is absolutely garbage rofl u should be getting almost if not more then double that
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 12 2014 01:02 GMT
#354
On September 12 2014 10:01 FinestHour wrote:
160 in 20 minutes is absolutely garbage rofl u should be getting almost if not more then double that


if you're getting 320+ cs consistently at 20 minutes in a solo lane with an opponent, please PM me so i can get you on an LCS team asap
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 12 2014 01:04 GMT
#355
On September 12 2014 09:52 miicah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 09:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 12 2014 09:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
Jax thrives in 1v1. You don't really beat Jax after he gets farm/levels unless he's bad or you are somehow able to dodge his E.

That being said, Frozen Heart + 40% cdr Wither should be able to let you duel Jax reasonably well.

If you're talking teamfight, it really depends. Wither really really shuts down Jax for the duration of the spell, but Nasus wrecks AD carries if you can get to them (which is somewhat hard nowadays after all the range nerfs).


Good eye! That's pretty much what happens, he throws everything at me and I don't win duels but it's near even if I have the damage.

Do you have suggestions for items? After Trinity Force I'm pretty lost.



Did you max E second (spirit fire) like Snoopeh did? You really need to max W (wither) second versus a Jax. Your item build was fine although I probably would have gone Iceborn Gauntlet instead of Triforce.

Look up sirhcez, he's a Diamond 1 Nasus main for more tips.

http://www.twitch.tv/sirhcez
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19717808


Trinity isn't good? I love Trinity and I get Iceborn after Triforce (I just won this game: )

Why is Wither more important for Jax? Is it because of his attack speed? Are there other champs I should max W first? I by mistake maxed Wither against Pantheon but I wrecked him so hard, it was awesome!

I also get Sunfire Cape if the other team has a ton of melee.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 12 2014 01:08 GMT
#356
Probly Irelia too, since attackspeed is the modifier to her true damage.
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 12 2014 01:09 GMT
#357
On September 12 2014 10:01 FinestHour wrote:
160 in 20 minutes is absolutely garbage rofl u should be getting almost if not more then double that


How exactly should the average person be getting 320 creeps in 20 minutes when only 240 spawn?

I think idolizing a creepscore number is silly anyway. Its relative. Maybe you have a jungler camping you, so you only hit 120 in 20 minutes and didn't die, but then you team's jungler has made things happen with that lack of map pressure.

Thats perfectly okay.

Maybe their team has threatened Dragon a ton, so you've been from from lane and missed like 5 waves.

There are like 100 different reasons why you would not want to grab a CS. Well, maybe not a 100. lol.

A better metric is how many CS you should have got but missed because you are bad. Ever watched Dyrus' stream? He like literally berates himself to death for missing a creep he went for. That should be how you feel.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 12 2014 01:11 GMT
#358
On September 12 2014 10:09 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 10:01 FinestHour wrote:
160 in 20 minutes is absolutely garbage rofl u should be getting almost if not more then double that


How exactly should the average person be getting 320 creeps in 20 minutes when only 240 spawn?

I think idolizing a creepscore number is silly anyway. Its relative. Maybe you have a jungler camping you, so you only hit 120 in 20 minutes and didn't die, but then you team's jungler has made things happen with that lack of map pressure.

Thats perfectly okay.

Maybe their team has threatened Dragon a ton, so you've been from from lane and missed like 5 waves.

There are like 100 different reasons why you would not want to grab a CS. Well, maybe not a 100. lol.

A better metric is how many CS you should have got but missed because you are bad. Ever watched Dyrus' stream? He like literally berates himself to death for missing a creep he went for. That should be how you feel.


I think the number is just a bar to see to see if you're doing overall well or not so well.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 12 2014 01:35 GMT
#359
On September 12 2014 10:11 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 10:09 iCanada wrote:
On September 12 2014 10:01 FinestHour wrote:
160 in 20 minutes is absolutely garbage rofl u should be getting almost if not more then double that


How exactly should the average person be getting 320 creeps in 20 minutes when only 240 spawn?

I think idolizing a creepscore number is silly anyway. Its relative. Maybe you have a jungler camping you, so you only hit 120 in 20 minutes and didn't die, but then you team's jungler has made things happen with that lack of map pressure.

Thats perfectly okay.

Maybe their team has threatened Dragon a ton, so you've been from from lane and missed like 5 waves.

There are like 100 different reasons why you would not want to grab a CS. Well, maybe not a 100. lol.

A better metric is how many CS you should have got but missed because you are bad. Ever watched Dyrus' stream? He like literally berates himself to death for missing a creep he went for. That should be how you feel.


I think the number is just a bar to see to see if you're doing overall well or not so well.


No the point is 320 CS in 20 minutes is actually impossible.

Wouldn't that beat the current LCS record?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
September 12 2014 01:39 GMT
#360
I bet half of you guys are talking Q stacks and half of you are talking CS.
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