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[Patch 4.13] Sona Update General Discussion - Page 65

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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 11 2014 11:52 GMT
#1281
On August 11 2014 19:22 Alaric wrote:
Wiki:
Show nested quote +
Items will remove benefits they granted you when undone, such as gold gained from gold over time items.

Imaqtpie said that was the difference between bad and great players. Thanks Riot.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 11 2014 13:09 GMT
#1282
you even lose the hp/mana you got from fountain healing when you redo
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
August 11 2014 13:29 GMT
#1283
Now that I actually played a game where I did not suck ass with the new Sona, I'm even more convinced the rewrok was great. Shielding skillshots in lane feel really rewarding; negate damage and heal at the same time, funny. I did not even brought magic pen marks and I still dealt decent amount of damage, enough to make my opponents respect it. To be honest, I finally had the same feeling as I was playing with the old sona. Squishy albeit strong lane presence, a trolololo w (which is fucking nuts in extended 2v2s), flash-ulting enemy carries, sustaining teammates. Good times, the only thing I found sad that my adc did not seem to realize what my q does. He never seemed to be looking for opportunities to use the buff. God, I just need to find a way to figure out how not to suck vs Karma and I could first pick her. She seems like a Nami, with less offensive, but more defensive capabilities in lane. Until they hit lvl 6, that is, then they go on their seperate way.

She's picked more than twice as many times as before the rework and her win rate still holds a solid position among good iwnrate champs. Not sure if ros who abandoned her for the trinity of supports would start to pick her, especially with the silent rise of Alis and Jannas, but those who already kept playing her (don't follow the korean scene, but saw her many times in picks and bans) has no reason not to pick her still.
Immortall
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands124 Posts
August 11 2014 15:59 GMT
#1284
Is Yasuo still considered to be OP? I bought him 3 days ago and he's so much fun to play but i fear the nerfhammer might hit him anytime soon.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
August 11 2014 16:16 GMT
#1285
On August 11 2014 20:38 Alaric wrote:
Looks like Toyz is running something like AD/AS on jungle Malphite, going Flare > lucidity boots > tanky and maxing E>W>Q. Is that new? Looks weird, especially the Flare.

i build elder lizard when i jungle malphite, his W passive is a sneaky way to apply the true damage burn in AOE.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 17:09:44
August 11 2014 17:09 GMT
#1286
I... can't tell if i got demoted or promoted in my low level matchmaking. i've stopped getting diamond 30's. but now i get nothing but korean and chinese players, who only use those alphabets... and they are all really good for the most part generally the same skill level as the diamond players before. the chinese are crazy aggro though xD
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
August 11 2014 17:10 GMT
#1287
On August 11 2014 22:29 Volband wrote:
Now that I actually played a game where I did not suck ass with the new Sona, I'm even more convinced the rewrok was great. Shielding skillshots in lane feel really rewarding; negate damage and heal at the same time, funny. I did not even brought magic pen marks and I still dealt decent amount of damage, enough to make my opponents respect it. To be honest, I finally had the same feeling as I was playing with the old sona. Squishy albeit strong lane presence, a trolololo w (which is fucking nuts in extended 2v2s), flash-ulting enemy carries, sustaining teammates. Good times, the only thing I found sad that my adc did not seem to realize what my q does. He never seemed to be looking for opportunities to use the buff. God, I just need to find a way to figure out how not to suck vs Karma and I could first pick her. She seems like a Nami, with less offensive, but more defensive capabilities in lane. Until they hit lvl 6, that is, then they go on their seperate way.

She's picked more than twice as many times as before the rework and her win rate still holds a solid position among good iwnrate champs. Not sure if ros who abandoned her for the trinity of supports would start to pick her, especially with the silent rise of Alis and Jannas, but those who already kept playing her (don't follow the korean scene, but saw her many times in picks and bans) has no reason not to pick her still.


I've been trying her out quite a bit recently and am still on the fence about her. Any insight into how to build/skill her? I've tried CDR/Tank (locket, frozen heart, etc) and that seems more reliable than AP but she does have quite a bit of scaling..
I got nothin'...
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 11 2014 17:10 GMT
#1288
On August 12 2014 00:59 Immortall wrote:
Is Yasuo still considered to be OP? I bought him 3 days ago and he's so much fun to play but i fear the nerfhammer might hit him anytime soon.

He won't be nerfed. He's fine as he is now but he's banned in 99% soloqueue games.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 11 2014 17:16 GMT
#1289
On August 12 2014 02:09 PrinceXizor wrote:
I... can't tell if i got demoted or promoted in my low level matchmaking. i've stopped getting diamond 30's. but now i get nothing but korean and chinese players, who only use those alphabets... and they are all really good for the most part generally the same skill level as the diamond players before. the chinese are crazy aggro though xD


When I duoqueue I love running into Chinese players. Basically freelo, they fall for every single bait in the book.

Basically now you're playing against people with pretty good mechanics but not good game sense instead of people who have okay game sense and okay mechanics. Honestly should be pretty good practice all around.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
August 11 2014 17:42 GMT
#1290
On August 12 2014 02:10 YouGotNothin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 22:29 Volband wrote:
Now that I actually played a game where I did not suck ass with the new Sona, I'm even more convinced the rewrok was great. Shielding skillshots in lane feel really rewarding; negate damage and heal at the same time, funny. I did not even brought magic pen marks and I still dealt decent amount of damage, enough to make my opponents respect it. To be honest, I finally had the same feeling as I was playing with the old sona. Squishy albeit strong lane presence, a trolololo w (which is fucking nuts in extended 2v2s), flash-ulting enemy carries, sustaining teammates. Good times, the only thing I found sad that my adc did not seem to realize what my q does. He never seemed to be looking for opportunities to use the buff. God, I just need to find a way to figure out how not to suck vs Karma and I could first pick her. She seems like a Nami, with less offensive, but more defensive capabilities in lane. Until they hit lvl 6, that is, then they go on their seperate way.

She's picked more than twice as many times as before the rework and her win rate still holds a solid position among good iwnrate champs. Not sure if ros who abandoned her for the trinity of supports would start to pick her, especially with the silent rise of Alis and Jannas, but those who already kept playing her (don't follow the korean scene, but saw her many times in picks and bans) has no reason not to pick her still.


I've been trying her out quite a bit recently and am still on the fence about her. Any insight into how to build/skill her? I've tried CDR/Tank (locket, frozen heart, etc) and that seems more reliable than AP but she does have quite a bit of scaling..

In my first three rankeds I was pretty useless myself, had to ice her, because I didn't want to ruin my mmr with trying her out, but today in the lobby I kept thinking "man, I'd instapick old Sona here... mmmmmmmmmmmmm", so I went with her. Not gonna lie, as the game was loading I rushed probuilds because I had no idea what to build on her now, I was even considering going coing, since all the qq about her q being useless. Eventually the starting build I copied was the knife-mikael-frostqueen with sightstone of course. The banshee was only to counter Syndra's stun, so I could flash ult her.

As I said, I brought no ap or mpen, but I still dealt good damage, even without my adc ever (like, ever) using the passive magic damage. If I had known, I would've brought ignite. I don't think W max is a good idea now. The skill itself is really good, but you will lose all your presence, and sustain-wise it's not as good as old w. Takin E at lvl 4 nowis actually good, though this game I took it at lvl 3 by panic.

I wouldn't stack ap on her just for the E scaling, I think survivability worths more. The more shields you can give to your allies, the more useful you are imo, I fell in love with that W.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 11 2014 18:06 GMT
#1291
Do you still max Q first?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
August 11 2014 18:08 GMT
#1292
I had a Sona support me yesterday that just sat way behind me and healed. Was the epitome of useless.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
August 11 2014 18:12 GMT
#1293
On August 12 2014 03:08 Gahlo wrote:
I had a Sona support me yesterday that just sat way behind me and healed. Was the epitome of useless.

nah, way better than a leona with the same positioning.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
August 11 2014 18:24 GMT
#1294
On August 12 2014 03:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Do you still max Q first?

Definetly. Maybe maxing W after lvl 6 is viable too, but you need those Qs if you have an opponent in lane.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 11 2014 18:26 GMT
#1295
"crazy agro" is the step previous to "dominating everyone".

Koreans were described as "crazy agro" and "no game sense" when they started playing, in reality it was them testing out the limits in every single engagement. Then they knew the limits and started winning.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
August 11 2014 18:29 GMT
#1296
What is the best way to deal with the feral flare and spirt stone udyr build. He extended a game my team would have won in about 25 mins to a 40 min game by just spiltpushing. He's impossible to kill and moves so fast and as long as the other team has wave clear it's hard to dive 5v4 Becase all it did we cause us to trade inhibs.
Moar banelings less qq
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
August 11 2014 18:34 GMT
#1297
On August 12 2014 03:08 Gahlo wrote:
I had a Sona support me yesterday that just sat way behind me and healed. Was the epitome of useless.

Haha, those are the guys at low elo who are like "you want me to support, bitch? you do? all right, I'll show oyu my fucking support, ENJOY!"

Fun fact: I remember in s2 I used to pick Soraka, stand in the bush and explore the intrawebz, occaisonally tabbing back to heal and infuse.
Funnier fact: I won.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
August 11 2014 18:38 GMT
#1298
On August 12 2014 03:34 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 03:08 Gahlo wrote:
I had a Sona support me yesterday that just sat way behind me and healed. Was the epitome of useless.

Haha, those are the guys at low elo who are like "you want me to support, bitch? you do? all right, I'll show oyu my fucking support, ENJOY!"

Fun fact: I remember in s2 I used to pick Soraka, stand in the bush and explore the intrawebz, occaisonally tabbing back to heal and infuse.
Funnier fact: I won.

My favorite part was this:

Me- Sona, I need you to have more lane presence so I can get in range of the waves.
Sona- Who do you think is healing you!?
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 18:57:01
August 11 2014 18:56 GMT
#1299
On August 12 2014 03:38 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2014 03:34 Volband wrote:
On August 12 2014 03:08 Gahlo wrote:
I had a Sona support me yesterday that just sat way behind me and healed. Was the epitome of useless.

Haha, those are the guys at low elo who are like "you want me to support, bitch? you do? all right, I'll show oyu my fucking support, ENJOY!"

Fun fact: I remember in s2 I used to pick Soraka, stand in the bush and explore the intrawebz, occaisonally tabbing back to heal and infuse.
Funnier fact: I won.

My favorite part was this:

Me- Sona, I need you to have more lane presence so I can get in range of the waves.
Sona- Who do you think is healing you!?

IT'S ALL ABOUT PRESENCE, YOU JUST PRESS W AND GET KILLS IT'S SO EASY
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
August 11 2014 19:09 GMT
#1300
Sugar ruuuuuush. Aside from Emerald Taric (and maybe noxus Poppy) idc about the skins (though dark candy fiddle is awesome), howewer I might want to get that gingerbread ward.... Mmm, but why is it so expensive? I keep waiting for a cool ward to spend my money on, but raka and lux wards are meh, and I'm not a Draven fan. Gingerbread is cute :<
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