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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 10 2014 13:10 wei2coolman wrote: On the mention of jayce. Is it just me or he's got a terrible attack animation? I think it's only his empowered attack is bad. His ranged projectile is very fast, and his windup isn't terrible either. Melee form doesn't feel any worse than most other champs. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 10 2014 14:04 Slusher wrote: holy shit release Jayce when you would switch stance the "empowered" auto could be cancelled if you issued a move command up to a full second after the attack command it was so awful I also played Jungle Darius just the other day, I don't think he's that great because late game he's pretty summoner reliant but he is so much fun. that said I think SotEL is a great one damage wonder on him, Go lizard into full tank, mabyyyyyye a brutalizer if you get really far ahead in levels, but mostly lizard into tank. I dunno, I think he needs the quill coat. I also dont think EL adds much to him as a champion. The burn is pretty minimal compared to his Passive, and i think him having that extra armor and HP is a big deal in early game skirmishes. I agree he is somewhat summonder dependant lategame, but it also kind of depends on what your teamcomp is. If you have a Shyvana top with an Ori Middle, his flash CD doesn't mean much. But if Darius is the main initiator, then yeah it is a big deal. That being said, if Darius is the main initiator on your team you done goofed regardless... A big flaw for him sure, but considering half the junglers nowadays aren't the main initiator I dont think it is a real nail in the coffin. I want to play him in some more Ranked 5s though before I really decide how much I like him. But as of now, I have really really good vibes. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 10 2014 13:41 killerdog wrote: But you're literally paying 1k gold extra for a bad sightstone and 20 armour. For perspective, manually keeping the lane warded for 8 minutes (how long do you expect laning to continue after you already finished 2 items) would cost 150 gold, with proper trinket use. Obv you can't go golem first without getting wrecked in any reasonable matchup, so you won't be getting the jungle farming advantage until you're ~6k into your build. (First item you build + pots + interim wards + boots etc) So that benefit is only worth it if you expect to be long term afk farming jungle camps, after that point in the game. You're also going to be straight up weaker in lane than going a conventional build, as randuins/sunfire + giants belt + cloth armour is just straight up the same in trades, for 700 gold less. If you have some specific situation where you can freely build double tank items, and expect to be split pushing (with plenty of chances to farm jungle) through the mid game, and don't need mr in your first 2 items, then sure it could work, but those are pretty narrow parameters I'm just saying, after first 3 defensive item, it's a nice 4th defensive item, that's extremely cheap and offer utility. Maybe not the most slot efficient 4th item, but 2k for like 650hp, and 20 armor and 10% cdr, that's insanely cost efficient. On July 10 2014 14:04 Slusher wrote: holy shit release Jayce when you would switch stance the "empowered" auto could be cancelled if you issued a move command up to a full second after the attack command it was so awful I also played Jungle Darius just the other day, I don't think he's that great because late game he's pretty summoner reliant but he is so much fun. that said I think SotEL is a great one damage wonder on him, Go lizard into full tank, mabyyyyyye a brutalizer if you get really far ahead in levels, but mostly lizard into tank. You see, i had less issues with release jayce, but that was because you Q-E'd the opponent in melee form, and they were forced to leave lane, so no pressure farming was pretty nice. :D | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 10 2014 14:13 Amui wrote: I think it's only his empowered attack is bad. His ranged projectile is very fast, and his windup isn't terrible either. Melee form doesn't feel any worse than most other champs. I think Jayce's animation is backloaded in melee form meaning he can't auto cancel or else the damage doesn't go through. Most new melees don't have this problem. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On July 10 2014 13:58 Gahlo wrote: Pls read what I'm responding to for context. I did, hence the edit. I'm just saying you can't compare the "cost" of a lategame luxury item to the gold effectiveness of a 2nd or 3rd buy laning item at all. On a separate note, which are the go-to mid champs right now? I've just got back from a month and a bit away from my main computer, so all the mechanics are screwed anyway, + most of my pool is all weak right now. Figure I might as well pick up a new champ or two to re-warm up with. Yasuo seems perma banned still, so maybe picking up tf again (since assassins seem so out of meta now.) Or learning kassadin? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
oh I somehow forgot Ziggs, I guess that means ori is #5 ish | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Please Riot, tell me more about how a more complex ban phase reduces variety. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On July 10 2014 14:59 Slusher wrote: tf, syndra, ori, yasuo are probly top 4 kinda lulu honorable mention but she gets played top equally as much. oh I somehow forgot Ziggs, I guess that means ori is #5 ish Yall forgetting Kassadin? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 10 2014 15:35 Amui wrote: For anybody who's not watching TI4/checking the dota forum, so far there have been 76 different picks in 36 games. I don't think we've seen 76 picks across NA EU and OGN, which has more than 5x the games played. Please Riot, tell me more about how a more complex ban phase reduces variety. Well, you'd have to compare it to 5 upfront bans vs 5 interwoven bans, not 3 upfront bans vs 5 interwoven bans. Also, it would also help if they'd stop making champions fill the same niche. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 10 2014 15:52 wei2coolman wrote: Well, you'd have to compare it to 5 upfront bans vs 5 interwoven bans, not 3 upfront bans vs 5 interwoven bans. Also, it would also help if they'd stop making champions fill the same niche. i think having multiple champions filling the same niche is fine if there are more bans. banning out champs in certain roles forces people to pick other champions to fill said role. there is literally no reason to not update the pick/ban phase except maybe the fact that it takes up a lot of time, but that's much easier to work around. it can't be worse than the current rotating door of champion picks that we have anyways. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
-Riot wants to buff tanky utility junglers. -The reason tanky utility junglers arent played is because enemy duelist jungles waltz into your jungle and teabag you early game. -Riot releases quillcoat and updates golem. An item with absolutely awful early (<65%) gold efficiency which only becomes decent lategame when combined with several other defensive items. - wat Am i missing something here? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 10 2014 16:51 sob3k wrote: I dont understand quillcoat..... -Riot wants to buff tanky utility junglers. -The reason tanky utility junglers arent played is because enemy duelist jungles waltz into your jungle and teabag you early game. -Riot releases quillcoat and updates golem. An item with absolutely awful early (<65%) gold efficiency which only becomes decent lategame when combined with several other defensive items. - wat Am i missing something here? It gives you a ward :D and early armor so you can see the duelist and run away | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 10 2014 13:14 wei2coolman wrote: I played him yesterday. Both his melee and ranged animation in early levels felt really clunky. His spell animation for his q and e in melee also have that clunky feel too. It's so he can knock you back towards his tower even if you flash on the opposite side of him, for an extra 400 distance knock-back. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 10 2014 16:51 sob3k wrote: I dont understand quillcoat..... -Riot wants to buff tanky utility junglers. -The reason tanky utility junglers arent played is because enemy duelist jungles waltz into your jungle and teabag you early game. -Riot releases quillcoat and updates golem. An item with absolutely awful early (<65%) gold efficiency which only becomes decent lategame when combined with several other defensive items. - wat Am i missing something here? Yeah, it's a headscratcher why Riot chose to completely rehaul the item. They could have just given it more monster damage on its passive by a lot more and that probably would have solved the problem. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 10 2014 17:27 Alaric wrote: It's so he can knock you back towards his tower even if you flash on the opposite side of him, for an extra 400 distance knock-back. This was fixed. I can't find it in the league patch notes on Jayce's wiki but it was in one patch. I can still do it to some slow jumps like Trist's W but Jayce will never be able to waste people's flash with melee E again. Haven't been able to do it in ages. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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