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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 01 2014 07:16 MooMooMugi wrote: Any Psych major here know the condition where a person(player in this case) truly believes that nothing is ever his fault and its always his team's fault for his own failures? Not a psych major, but it sounds a lot like Dunning Kruger. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Yeah, the action is "external locus of control", but I don't know the name of the condition that leads to an extreme external locus of control, other than to say someone has an unreasonable external locus of control. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 01 2014 06:54 Slayer91 wrote: id prefer to be judged by how good I am than an arbitrary point that alaric gives extra significance to. mmr=skill statistically pretty much the only reliable metric even if it has medium variance Just a pet peeve. People last hitting improves as they go up, why doesn't their ability to recognise that trying to dive Twitch vs Braum+Karthus is a bad idea when we have the map control and a pick comp? :< (I'm not gonna criticise their execution or farming I'm even more scrubby at that than the rest.) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 01 2014 07:30 Alaric wrote: Just a pet peeve. People last hitting improves as they go up, why doesn't their ability to recognise that trying to dive Twitch vs Braum+Karthus is a bad idea when we have the map control and a pick comp? :< (I'm not gonna criticise their execution or farming I'm even more scrubby at that than the rest.) Because at certain levels mechanical aptitude is more effective that conceptual. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 01 2014 07:30 Alaric wrote: Just a pet peeve. People last hitting improves as they go up, why doesn't their ability to recognise that trying to dive Twitch vs Braum+Karthus is a bad idea when we have the map control and a pick comp? :< (I'm not gonna criticise their execution or farming I'm even more scrubby at that than the rest.) Because lasthitting is PvE. Diving someone is PvP and how well it works depends on the other player. For example, a low Silver player may not be able to recognize the fact that I can Flash all in him and kill him - because other Silver players do not do that to him. On the other hand, a Challenger player may recognize that if I Flash, he can Flash to dodge my CC and kill me instead. I don't know that because other plat players don't do that to me. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On July 01 2014 07:30 Alaric wrote: Just a pet peeve. People last hitting improves as they go up, why doesn't their ability to recognise that trying to dive Twitch vs Braum+Karthus is a bad idea when we have the map control and a pick comp? :< (I'm not gonna criticise their execution or farming I'm even more scrubby at that than the rest.) It does.You just think it doesn't for some random reason.Cs-ing is pretty easy.The hard part is managing your time and the wave so you don't miss too many.I have had tons of games where we barely hit 50cs at 10 minutes and it isn't because people can't last hit. Also with how random matchmaking is you can't expect the skill level to be the same for every player in every way in a given bracket. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 01 2014 07:25 Gahlo wrote: Not a psych major, but it sounds a lot like Dunning Kruger. Dunning Krueger is slightly different. That's people who are poor at things not recognizing they suck at things because they don't know what to look for, they then decide they are above average because they don't see or understand their mistakes. I'm no expert in psychology though, I just do math. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On July 01 2014 08:15 iCanada wrote: Dunning Krueger is slightly different. That's people who are poor at things not recognizing they suck at things because they don't know what to look for, they then decide they are above average because they don't see or understand their mistakes. I'm no expert in psychology though, I just do math. natural next step is to look for someone else to blame and people are good at doing that in every field | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On July 01 2014 08:15 iCanada wrote: Dunning Krueger is slightly different. That's people who are poor at things not recognizing they suck at things because they don't know what to look for, they then decide they are above average because they don't see or understand their mistakes. I'm no expert in psychology though, I just do math. It sounds like deflection, which not necessarily a discrete condition but more a defensive mechanism in order to help cope with losing. There may be a more specific term but at the root of it, that's what it boils down to. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
I'm not sure how it pertains to League, but I'm certainly sure that mentally unstable people enjoy playing this game. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 01 2014 07:16 MooMooMugi wrote: Any Psych major here know the condition where a person(player in this case) truly believes that nothing is ever his fault and its always his team's fault for his own failures? It's a defense mechanism known as "projection." Defense mechanisms are interesting. Here's a pretty thorough list: Denial - some people consider this to be the only true defense mechanism. Someone completely denies something. Repression - a bit different from denial in that it's not overt, and stems from the unconscious (i.e. forgetting someone's name) Projection - placing your own shortcomings onto someone else to protect your ego from pain. Regression - going back to a more childlike state (fetal position crying, "comfort food," etc.) Acting Out - making a scene or causing trouble to change the focus of something Dissociation - out of body experiences, split personality, even smaller forms like compartmentalization/PTSD/etc. Displacement - taking something out on someone who didn't do it (boss treated you bad at work so you yell at your girlfriend/wife) Rationalization - convincing yourself it was okay/good after the act has been done Intellectualization - avoiding feelings by making things intellectual Undoing - basically trying to take something back or repair damage done (i.e. giving wife flowers after an argument) Compensation - LARGE MONSTER TRUCK/LUXURY SPORTS CAR because I feel like I can't satisfy women Sublimation - an unacceptable desire or trait manifests itself in a different, more acceptable way (i.e. person hates his father and wants to fight him but instead enrolls in MMA; someone feels the need to be a dominant alpha-male type but doesn't overtly/physically act it out, but rather channels it into confidence) These are most of the accepted defense mechanisms. Some people say there are more, some people say there are less. The more primitive ones are denial, repression, projection, etc. I notice that I rationalize and intellectualize a lot with bits of projection, regression, and compensation. Find your defense mechanisms! | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
RIP liquidAFK? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On July 01 2014 10:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Oh and usually projection happens because a person's ego is very fragile and can't safely internalize much without feeling like they're going to break down so they throw it onto other people because that's a lot safer than sitting with their lack of stable self-worth. Thanks for the mini psych lesson, the projection theory sounds very accurate on the type of players i meet in soloQ. Maybe we're all just a little insecure | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Should have just closed my eyes and accept my fate. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On July 01 2014 11:30 Sufficiency wrote: I just played against a Rammus with revive teleport today. He ganked me with mobi + homeguard + revive + teleport... Should have just closed my eyes and accept my fate. I tried tp junglers for a while. I think Homeguard boots is too much to pay for before ganking like that becomes impossible. | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3836 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On July 01 2014 07:16 MooMooMugi wrote: Any Psych major here know the condition where a person(player in this case) truly believes that nothing is ever his fault and its always his team's fault for his own failures? Zerg is only partially correct. The lashing out some people do is probably projection, but the general cognitive aspect is better defined as a general cognitive bias (in that most everyone does it). Specifically you're looking for the fundamental attribution error and its conjunction the actor-observer bias. These are kind of similar to Dunning-Krueger but are distinct enough to be their own section. Basically when people look at their own errors they see all of the context surrounding that, including all of the thought processes that they went through to make a decision. Part of making the decision is of course coming to the conclusion that your action was the correct one. The end result of this effect is a general thinking of "other people make errors, i get unlucky" and its very common in a game like league when all you see is the death notification unless you're looking specifically. Combine that with going on tilt and a healthy bit of projection and you've got all the ingredients for the rage. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 01 2014 00:57 canikizu wrote: If you play on Purple side 31 out of 36 games, trust me, you will care. Pretty sure I wouldn't even notice. | ||
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